Freemasonry Above the Law

[ephilution]

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Quote:There showed up some 129 Google references in the English, Dutch and German language containing the phrase:
"must conceal all the crimes of your brother Masons".

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22must+con...other+Masons%22

I got 123 results returned from that search all of which seem (I say seem 'cos I got bored after about 50 of 'em) to refer back to the Ronayne passage. So it's a single source. Additionally Ronaynes book was not a Handbook FOR Masons (my emphasis) it was an anti-masonic publication so it was bound to be anti.

The actual title was: "Handbook of Masonry" (look yonder up above). The possibility that is is anti-masonic may have its origin in pure malice towards masonry but it may also be that this antagonism was gained only after observation and study of masonry and initially assuming an unbiased and unprejudiced mindset and judgment.

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Quote:A little detective work (=web-surfing) gives the following passages that should be verifiable, especially by Masons themselves:

My detective work says it's NOT verifiable except as a single source anti-masonic publication.

So where in the RA ritual (freely available on the Dutch site you quoted) does it use that phrase. It doesn't!

That's right. The Dutch site is all about the Master Mason ritual mate.

The reference to the oath the Royal Arch masons allegedly take should be found in Edmond Ronayne's book and seems to be referred to in one Dr. Cathy Burns's books as well (see a couple of posts back):
Dr. Cathy Burns, Masonic and Occult Symbols Illustrated. Mt. Carmel, PA: Sharing, 1998, p.224

[Rosebery]

Quote:The actual title was: "Handbook of Masonry" (look yonder up above). The possibility that is is anti-masonic may have its origin in pure malice towards masonry but it may also be that this antagonism was gained only after observation and study of masonry and initially assuming an unbiased and unprejudiced mindset and judgment.

Sorry I was unclear. I was pointing out that the book was not a Handbook Of Masonry written FOR masons but rather an anti-masonic publication.

Also the 120 odd Google references all seem to come back to this one passage in the one book. So it's single source and in the context of which it was written has to be suspect from a research point of view and certainly not gospel.

Quote:That's right. The Dutch site is all about the Master Mason ritual mate.

That's wrong. The site contains quite a number of masonic rituals INCLUDING the Royal Arch one that Roynane claims says something it doesn't and which you seem to believe buddy. That's MY point. Read the ritual. Find the passage - sorry but you won't because it's not there.

Quote:The reference to the oath the Royal Arch masons allegedly take should be found in Edmond Ronayne's book and seems to be referred to in one Dr. Cathy Burns's books as well (see a couple of posts back):
Dr. Cathy Burns, Masonic and Occult Symbols Illustrated. Mt. Carmel, PA: Sharing, 1998, p.224

I agree with the former but I say it's incorrect. I'm not familiar with the latter and will have to find it to comment.

Cheers

[Rosebery]

Sorry Phil - not sure where this is going except round in circles. Having done a little research I can see that all Cathy Burns is doing is to quote Ronayne again. So it's back to the same single source stuff which if you read the Royal Arch ritual you'll see is not true in the first place.

Cheers.

[ephilution]

Quote:Sorry Phil - not sure where this is going except round in circles. Having done a little research I can see that all Cathy Burns is doing is to quote Ronayne again. So it's back to the same single source stuff which if you read the Royal Arch ritual you'll see is not true in the first place.

Cheers.

Maybe, maybe not and as far as I'm concerned the jury is still out on this one.

Of the same Royal Arch degree could it perhaps be that different Grand Lodges have different initiation rituals and oaths? Or perhaps one for open regular Freemasonry and one for occultic Illumined Freemasonry?

[Rosebery]

Quote:Maybe, maybe not and as far as I'm concerned the jury is still out on this one.

Sheesh man! What do I have to do?

Quote:Of the same Royal Arch degree could it perhaps be that different Grand Lodges have different initiation rituals and oaths?

Yes there are subtle differences of course but the passage you quote is quite unmasonic.

Quote:Or perhaps one for open regular Freemasonry and one for occultic Illumined Freemasonry?

Yeh OK if you reeaally want it that way. So what is occultic illumined Freemasonry when it's at home?

Cheers

[ephilution]

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Quote:Or perhaps one for open regular Freemasonry and one for occultic Illumined Freemasonry?

Yeh OK if you reeaally want it that way. So what is occultic illumined Freemasonry when it's at home?

Yeah that's cute Rosebery.

Here's a taste of the evil mechanics of Ilumined Freemasonry:

Quote:Controlling and influencing education in a particular direction
seems to be the most important task of freemasonry. J. Masse of the
Grand Orient used to say: "Whoever controls education, controls
France." He stressed that the masonic societies will do anything to
keep control of France. They are prepared to remove children from
their parents (Alexander Selyaninov, "The Secret Power of Freemasonry",
Moscow, 1999, p. 318). In 1907, the freemason Debner said
in a speech to the Grand Orient: "Parents must never forget that they
have the right to keep their own children only thanks to the authority
given to them by society."

This was entirely in the Illuminati spirit, as Weishaupt had pointed
out that parents ought not to have the right to be in charge of their
children's education.

A Masonic Congress at the Hotel du Grand Orient in Paris in 1903
passed a resolution to make an addition to the civil rights legislation.
The congress wished to remove from the parents the right to educate
their children, of losing their rights as parents and citizens (ibid, p.
318).

We know from history that neither the freemasons nor the socialists
are able to tell the truth. And once you have begun to tell lies,
you have to continue to do so. This is the true, blood-red nature of
freemasonry.

http://download.cxs2.info/Lina___Architect...onry__2004_.pdf (p 355)

BTW Rosebery I am not on a crusade against Freemasonry per se, I am just a truth-seeker trying to get to the bottom of things and disclose the truth no matter how loathsome it may be. I respect you and I appreciate your feedback so this is nothing personal against you as a Freemason and as a individual. In other words, the stuff I post critical of Freemasonry is not meant to be an assault against you.

[Rosebery]

Quote:http://download.cxs2.info/Lina___Architect...onry__2004_.pdf (p 355)

Well I know yesterday I said I'd read it. So I'd better get to work.

Quote:BTW Rosebery I am not on a crusade against Freemasonry per se,

Oh I know that.

Quote:I am just a truth-seeker trying to get to the bottom of things and disclose the truth no matter how loathsome it may be.

and my own funny little way so am I.

Quote:I respect you and I appreciate your feedback

Would you be at all surprised If I said the feeling was mutual.

Quote:so this is nothing personal against you as a Freemason and as a individual. In other words, the stuff I post critical of Freemasonry is not meant to be an assault against you.

I know that too and I don't take it personally one little bit.

Cheers

[ephilution]

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Quote:I respect you and I appreciate your feedback

Would you be at all surprised If I said the feeling was mutual.

No not really and thank you. :biggrin:

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Quote:so this is nothing personal against you as a Freemason and as a individual. In other words, the stuff I post critical of Freemasonry is not meant to be an assault against you.

I know that too and I don't take it personally one little bit.

Cheers

Alright great, I don't really like these energy draining ego battles and I'm glad you are a mellow enough kind of guy to understand this too...

[ephilution]

A bit bizarre and not entirely relevant for the task at hand but because of its context and since it's heavily referenced I thought I'd post it anyway:

Quote:The magician Franz Bardon (alias Frabato, 1909-1958) held a high
post in the government (Franz Bardon, "Frabato", Wuppertal, 1979).
According to Bardon, Hitler belonged to Der Freimaurerischer Orden
der Goldene Centurie in Dresden, commonly known as Lodge 99. All
the 99 lodges of this order had 99 members. Each lodge worship a
horrible demon. The demon helps members gain money and power.
The members of the 99 Lodges are also industrialists and bankers.
That Hitler really was a high-ranking freemason, is confirmed by
Norman MacKenzie in his book "Secret Societies" (New York, 1967). It
has also been confirmed from Moscow, where all documents referring
to the subject are kept.

In 1933, the freemason Rudolf von Sebottendorf published a book
called "The Magicians". He no longer wished to remain behind the
scenes in the National Socialist Party. The book was immediately
banned and orders for its destruction were issued. Only a few copies
were salvaged, one of which is still in Moscow. According to this
book, Hitler achieved the rank of grand master of the Germanenorder
in 1932.

On film and on photographs, Hitler has been shown displaying the
essential sign: arms crossed on the chest. This is the sign of the
grand master, the symbol of power (Yuri Vorobyov, "The Road to
Apocalypse: A Step of the Serpent" (Moscow, 1999, p. 94). A model
for this secret masonic sign is the image of Osiris, shown holding his
arms crossed on his chest, his hands holding the serpent staff and
the scourge. These attributes symbolized order and punishment.

http://download.cxs2.info/Lina___Architect...onry__2004_.pdf (p382)

[Guest]

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Quote:I doubt it,anybody can become a freemason guys

Focus on the zionists and bilderberg group...not this silly crap

Hear, hear.

Cheers

LTNS Rose... nice to see you back.... LI, while I like his replies takes us a lil' too seriously.

[Rosebery]

Quote:LTNS Rose... nice to see you back.... LI, while I like his replies takes us a lil' too seriously.

Tks Ctrl. Never really been away. Lurked a bit now and again but infrequently as haven't had much time to spare in last few months. Yes - it's good to be around again. Never take anything toooo seriously - go stark raving bonkers!

Cheers

[ephilution]

Quote:The Swedish Association Save the Individual (FRI), which combats
sects and "saves" people from authoritarian organizations, has listed
the criteria that define a destructive movement:
• False declaration of intention and misleading description when
recruiting members.
• Manipulation by psychological methods (mind control) is used
during recruitment and indoctrination.
• An all-powerful leader who demands total subjection and claims
to have special knowledge and powers.
• The ideology must not be questioned, doubt is something evil,
which must be fought.
• The image of reality is black and white: the members are the
chosen (good), everything outside of the movement is evil and must
be opposed.
• There is a lot of money involved, which sometimes emanates
from crime.
International freemasonry complies with all these criteria of a
destructive sect, but FRI refuses to criticise freemasonry and instead
slanders those who expose political freemasonry. On 15 April 2000,
the association in Stockholm invited Hakan Blomqvist from Norrkoping
to give a public lecture. Blomqvist, who is a professional liar,
"humanist" and "Nazi-hunter", refused several times during his
lecture to answer the question whether freemasonry was a destructive
sect or not. The reader might be able to guess whose interests
this man serves.
The most dangerous sect of them all - freemasonry - has not
detached itself from society, but intervenes in its development in a
very negative way.

Jüri Lina - Architects of deception. (p17)

[ephilution]

Quote:Hoyle stressed that science must once again accept that there is a
greater intelligence in the universe. Sir Fred Hoyle believes that
Darwin's evolutionary theory is a damaging myth. He stated: "We
must adjust ourselves to this in our scientific research programs."

The theory of evolution was worked out by the Lunar Society,
founded on the initiative of the high-ranking freemason Benjamin
Franklin in Birmingham, England in 1765. He later emigrated to
America. The members gathered once a month at the full moon. The
society was a revolutionary masonic organization that supported the
overthrow of monarchies and undermining the belief in God (Ian T.
Taylor, "In the Minds of Men: Darwin and the New World Order",
Minneapolis, 1984, p. 55).

An important member of the Lunar Society was Erasmus Darwin
(1731-1802). He became the grandfather of Charles Robert Darwin
and between 1794-96 wrote the book "Zoo-nomia, or the Laws of
Organic Life", the conclusion of which was the same as that of "On
the Origin of Species", which his grandson wrote in 1859.

In this way, the freemasons managed to spread misinformation
about how we only live one life on Earth and that we are alone in the
universe, which created itself out of nothing. According to humanists,
all human development ends with physical death. Darwin's
"The Origin of the Species" is a fraud. The word "evolution" first
appeared in the sixth edition, printed in 1872, the same year the
author died. In his book "In the Minds of Men: Darwin and the New
World Order", the scientist Ian T. Taylor revealed how the Lunar
Society and other masonic organizations have led many intellectuals
astray with their manipulations and with the aid of "modern"
science.

Both Erasmus Darwin and his friend James Watt in the Lunar
Society were freemasons. The older Darwin was initiated into St.
David's Lodge No. 36 in Edinburgh in 1754. He later also became a
member of Canongate Kilwinning Lodge No. 2 (Freemasonry Today,
autumn 1999).

http://download.cxs2.info/Lina___Architect...onry__2004_.pdf
(p21)

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http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/captmorgan...nrycontents.htm http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html...9639C94649FD7CF

[Crysta1method]

Tony Blair is not a freemason????? ROTFLMFAO


who you trying to kid roseberry???? yourself?????

the idea that he is not a mason is ridiculous, if you really believe that then you are very misguided, stupid or lying! you choose

Not a mason PAH, Studholm Lodge 33rd degree member pal!!!!