Why are Christians so insecure?, The Secret

[ephilution]

Quote:Ah, ephilution ... Mr. 666, has got your back, look at that. A bee to your rescue.

That is a really childish.

Quote:I am going to say this once. I do not care what religion anybody has.

Has it ever crossed your mind that, heaven forbid, there are people out there who actually do not have a religious conviction at all?

Quote:When Lucifer is your god but you can't SAY lucifer-satan is your god, perhaps that is why the concept of Jesus is annoying? It is obviously a political agenda, but if Satan-Lucifer WAS your God then it is understandable that you would need a place to be hateful to Christians because that would also imply volumes about character issues that you need to be hateful to someone.

Did the thought ever cross your mind to just let people choose whatever religion-spiritual path they choose and let it be? If your answer is no, I HAVE to bother a Christian. Then you just have a need to be hateful to someone.

I think the only one who is being hateful right now is you Laine. And even if we were full of spite didn't your patron saint teach you to turn the other cheek? Or are you one of those Christians who practices their moral teachings only when it suits them and turn downright anti-Christian when the occasion arises?

The fact that you are so hostile to what you should consider 'separated brethren' lends credence to the things I said previously in this thread about religion. You've sucked up the fear and intolerance part with the fervour that can only be ascribed to people who are seriously stuck in their narrow-minded religious dogma and proceed to condemn anything outside of it in the usual knee-jerk fashion.

Have you ever tried to mellow out and give that huge religiously inspired defensive and psychic energy draining ego of yours a bit of a break and try to be tolerant of other people's world-views? Your heart and psyche will be thankful I'm sure. Why do you take this all so personal?

[horseonwheels]

it is really simple, its the same reason that mostly all religious people are insecure and thus become obnoxious with their 'truth' as opposed to actually looking for it. What htye belive to be true is so out of line with reality, and the subcontiousness knows this, that they become insecure on the world as a whole. This is wy you see more religious people go down into guru meditation because of conspiracy related material. their connection with reality is flimsy and selective at best, and that is a very insecure foundation to have and the rest will be a reflection of this.

[triplesix]

Quote:it is really simple, its the same reason that mostly all religious people are insecure and thus become obnoxious with their 'truth' as opposed to actually looking for it. What htye belive to be true is so out of line with reality, and the subcontiousness knows this, that they become insecure on the world as a whole. This is wy you see more religious people go down into guru meditation because of conspiracy related material. their connection with reality is flimsy and selective at best, and that is a very insecure foundation to have and the rest will be a reflection of this.

I think this is a very concise yet accurate assertion. Bravo! :clap:

One other thing. I think this is also illuminating about the need for spirituality/religion in our lives. I am always quite impressed to meet an atheist at peace with the thought of ceasing to exist completely upon brain death. I think that is actually a quite rare personality.

There is a human desire for comfort in light of an irrational and confusing world, rife with hurtful if not traumatizing events. This is where the opiate comparison comes in. Spirituality is a pacifying drug, a sedative, that puts to sleep the fear and foreboding. Pleasant thoughts to satiate a nervous logic center of the brain.

That is not to say that there is not compelling evidence for life on the other side, or some other form of existence. But fairy tales of forty virgins or everlasting life of ultimate sensual fulfillment are the mental opium that blissfully invite us to dream...

[horseonwheels]

yes excactly. Just because we dont know what 'the hidden' is does not mean we have to make up or accept telltales for an explanation. But the story telling should on the other hand not stop us from investigating further into these subjects either. There are as you say too many occourances to simply wif it off as mere coincidences as certain scientists wants to.

[nataraja]

non christians dont start christian threads out of hate, they start it out of love.

they dont want to see fellow anti-goverment peoples like our selves waste their life away on a magic book.

i think its realy that simple, as much as i hate talking with christians about religion as their belief system is designed in such a way that it doesnt actually allow for people to challenge it or for the christian to actually take in and process any information which contradicts its belief system, i still feel compelled to save you from a life of worthless christian based activities.

i do think the majority of the people who are christian in teh world are a christian for the "wrong reasons", this is from the christian perspective.

either way its nice for non christians to debate about how such people can be so easily brainwashed and controlled by a 2000 year old book. you will probaly find that alot of non christians were at some point in their life christian, be it indoctrinated from school or parents or just due to a promising social aspect to it all.

at the end of the day the amount of real christians, the ones that live according to the bible is far less than the amount of people that would opening call themselves christian.

the same way christians want to convert people to their religion is the way i want to convert christians out of their religion.

hey we both are trying to save souls but one is brainwashed by a book and the other is based on logic and reason.

[nataraja]

another thing:

as i grow older the indoctrination is becoming more apparent than it once seemed.

opinion is just a perspective based on information we have received through experience

so in its simplest form opinion is realy more influenced by indoctrination than any other form of experience, unless the individual actively engages in seeking more new information he will never actually change his opinions or perspectives.

there is also the theory that once somone has reached a point in his indoctrination there is no changing the opinion or perspectives of this person no matter what new information comes to light, you can show the person hard evidence, photos, video, documents and they will still keep the same opinions or perspectives.


conclusion:
if i had a picture or document that showed that the bible was false and i showed it to christians, most of them would still remain a christian.

[jack]

So then in your "opinion", we're All wrong about everything ?


conclusion:
if i had a picture or document that showed Jesus was real to nonbelievers, most of them would still remain nonbelievers

[psilocybin]

Quote:So then in your "opinion", we're All wrong about everything ?


conclusion:
if i had a picture or document that showed Jesus was real to nonbelievers, most of them would still remain nonbelievers

This conclusion if reversed would have the same outcome...

If I had difinitive proof Jesus was BS most christians wouldn't beleive it.

[triplesix]

You need more than a picture of Jesus proving he existed.

The Bible makes all sorts of crazy claims.

I'd prefer a video of Adam and Eve eating apples; a video of Noah putting pairs of animals on a giant boat; a video of Moses parting the Sea; a video of Jesus turning water into wine; a video of Jesus resurrecting; a video of Pontius Pilate "begging" for Jesus' life.

You can pick and choose any story from the Bible that common sense would reveal to be story rather than fact.

[mothandrust]

personally i don't know whether Jesus existed (any more than anyone can know) but if he did, of what i am sure, is that it is not as depicted in the Roman bible. however, i like to think he did, because the image of him overturning the moneylenders' tables in the temple is just sooo seductive :biggrin: i think it goes with this saying from the Gospel of Thomas:

Gospel of Thomas (95) Wrote:[Jesus said], "If you have money, don't lend it at interest. Rather, give [it] to someone from whom you won't get it back."

can't understand how the Romans missed that one:confused:

people choose what they want to believe. generally it comes down to security and what makes them feel comfortable. and if things are too frightening then we won't even look at them. and because so much of the Bible appears as contradictory nonsense, once you've evolved (just) beyond chimp, Christians (and other religions which rely on similarly induced dogma) understandably feel their beliefs are threatened as others point out the obvious. i suggest, it is most likely that those who feel most threatened who react so violently against any questions.

[jack]

Quote:You need more than a picture of Jesus proving he existed.

Quote:conclusion:
if i had a picture or document that showed Jesus was real to nonbelievers, most of them would still remain nonbelievers

was a response to

Quote:conclusion:
if i had a picture or document that showed that the bible was false and i showed it to christians, most of them would still remain a christian.

I thought that I was being funny, was funny to me, not lol, but mildly humorous.

[mothandrust]

Quote:

Quote:You need more than a picture of Jesus proving he existed.

Quote:conclusion:
if i had a picture or document that showed Jesus was real to nonbelievers, most of them would still remain nonbelievers

was a response to

Quote:conclusion:
if i had a picture or document that showed that the bible was false and i showed it to christians, most of them would still remain a christian.

I thought that I was being funny, was funny to me, not lol, but mildly humorous.

agreed. ironic, and both true.

i think these trench like positions help nobody. and certainly cannot lead towards greater understanding.

to find greater understanding one must have an open mind.

edit: SE below, money gets you nothing of real value, anything of value must be worked for

[SerialExpLain]

So then M&R go buy yourself an open mind.

[triplesix]

Quote:

Quote:You need more than a picture of Jesus proving he existed.

Quote:conclusion:
if i had a picture or document that showed Jesus was real to nonbelievers, most of them would still remain nonbelievers

was a response to

Quote:conclusion:
if i had a picture or document that showed that the bible was false and i showed it to christians, most of them would still remain a christian.

I thought that I was being funny, was funny to me, not lol, but mildly humorous.

In saying "You need more than a picture of Jesus proving he existed." I was trying to say that I need more evidence than just Jesus existing to rationalize all the hooplah that is Christianity.

There being a Jesus or not does little to give credence to the practices of orthodox Christianity. You dig?

[SerialExpLain]

Now Triple, why don't you come on back to the Satan cult thread. Won't you be more at home there?