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11-07-2007, 05:22 PM
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http://uk.reuters.com/article/technologyNe...R75179520071107
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21669167/ http://education.guardian.co.uk/schoolswor...ed=networkfront http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,308961,00.html ![]() By Sami Torma TUUSULA, Finland (Reuters) - At least seven people were killed when a teenaged gunman opened fire at a school in southern Finland on Wednesday, hours after a video was posted on YouTube predicting a massacre there. The gunman was a pupil at Jokela High School, a teacher who witnessed the attack told Reuters, and he had walked through the school firing into classroom after classroom. "At this moment it's seven (deaths) or more," Dr Eero Hirvensalo, the head of the medical response team, said. It was not clear if the gunman was among the dead. One of those shot was the principal of the school, according to an official of Tuusula municipality, a town of 35,000 some 60 km (40 miles) from Helsinki. The YouTube video, set to a hard-driving song called "Stray Bullet", shows a still photo of a low building that appears to be Jokela High School. The photo breaks apart to reveal a red-tinted picture of a man pointing a handgun at the camera. "He (the gunman) was moving systematically through the school hallways, knocking on the doors and shooting through the doors," said Kim Kiuru, who was teaching a grade 8 class when the shooting began. "It felt unreal, a pupil I have taught myself was running towards me, screaming, a pistol in his hand." Outside a church community building close by, a mother waited as a Red Cross bus pulled up outside. She watched children stepping off the bus and burst into tears when, through a window, she spotted her child, unharmed. The YouTube video, entitled "Jokela High School Massacre - 11/7/2007," was posted by a user called Sturmgeist89. "I am prepared to fight and die for my cause," read a posting by a user of the same name. "I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit, disgraces of human race and failures of natural selection." "Sturmgeist" means storm spirit in German. Hours after the shooting, the user's account was suspended. PEACEFUL TUUSULA Junior Constable Olli Laine said earlier police had evacuated students from the building, which serves some 500 middle and high school students. "This is a peaceful place, nothing like this has happened and nothing like this is to be expected either," Tuusula mayor Hannu Joensivu said. Despite having the world's third-largest per capita handgun ownership, violent incidents are rare at Finnish schools. According to Finnish media, there have been four stabbings at schools since 1999. None of these caused fatalities. Finnish Prime Minister Matti Vanhanen told reporters the shooting was an "extremely sad event." The last major attack in the country occurred in 2002 when a young man killed including himself and six others in a bomb blast at a shopping mall in Helsinki. I don't see how when these people get on tv and talk like this that they don't just bust out laughing. I sure would, &phhheeh, sorry folks, haha, I can't read this anymore. Truth is, we're scamming the holy shit out of all of you. We're large, and in charge. Illuminati is in the hizzouse! East Sah-eeeed!& -Henry |
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11-07-2007, 05:36 PM
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I presume SPACEMAN will cover this next Sunday
The InfoUnderground TiU Radio http://www.TheInfoUnderground.com |
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11-07-2007, 05:52 PM
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Forgot to add his archived profile page (haven't been able to find his videos):
http://retecool.com/uploads/mirrordir/Sturmgeist89.htm http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:05_hg...;cd=8&gl=de Channel Of Truth And Justice Sturmgeist89 Style: Variety Joined: October 19, 2007 Last Login: 5 hours ago Videos Watched: 188 Subscribers: 332 Channel Views: 199,036 aka NaturalSelector89 (3/15/2007 - 10/19/2007). YouTube suspended my previous account but I am back now:)My new account name is German and means "Stormspirit" in English. http://rapidshare.com/files/68 015773/Pekka-Eric_Auvinen___Jo kela_High_School_Massacre.zip Name: Pekka-Eric Auvinen Age: 18 Male from Finland. I am a cynical existentialist, antihuman humanist, antisocial socialdarwinist, realistic idealist and godlike atheist. SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM! JUSTITIA SUUM CUIQUE DISTRIBUIT! SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS! I am prepared to fight and die for my cause. I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit, disgraces of human race and failures of natural selection. You might ask yourselves, why did I do this and what do I want. Well, most of you are too arrogant and closed-minded to understand... You will proprably say me that I am"insane", "crazy", "psychopath", "criminal" or crap like that. No, the truth is that I am just an animl, a human, an individual, a dissident. I have had enough. I don't want to be part of this fucked up society. Like some other wise people have said in the past, human race is not worth fighting for or saving... only worth killing. But... When my enemies will run and hide in fear when mentioning my name... When the gangsters of the corrupted governments have been shot in the streets... When the rule of idioracy and the democratic system has been replaced with justice... When intelligent people are finally free and rule the society instead of the idiocratic rule of majority... In that great day of deliverance, you will know what I want. Long live the revolution... revolution against the system, which enslaves not only the majority of weak-minded masses but also the small minority of strong-minded and intelligent individuals! If we want to live in a different world, we must act. We must rise against the enslaving, corrupted and totalitarian regimes and overthrow the tyrants, gangsters and the rule of idiocracy. I can't alone change much but hopefully my actions will inspire all the intelligent people of the world and start some sort of revolution against the current systems. The system discriminating naturality and justice, is my enemy. The people living in the world of delusion and supporting this system are my enemies. I am ready to die for a cause I know is right, just and true... even if I would lose or the battle would be only remembered as evil... I will rather fight and die than live a long and unhappy life. And remember that this is my war, my ideas and my plans. Don't blame anyone else for my actions than myself. Don't blame my parents or my friends. I told nobody about my plans and I always kept them inside my mind only. Don't blame the movies I see, the music I hear, the games I play or the books I read. No, they had nothing to do with this. This is my war: one man war against humanity, governments and weak-minded masses of the world! No mercy for the scum of the earth! HUMANITY IS OVERRATED! It's time to put NATURAL SELECTION & SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST back on tracks! SOCIETY: Revolutions will come, governments will collapse, manipulative mafia & idiocratic rule of majority will be replaced with freedom and justice. My utopia: Weak-minded people as slaves, intelligent people as free. What I mean is that they who think deep political & philosophical issues, and are capable of intelligent existential thinking, should be free and rulers... and the weak-minded masses / robots, they can be slaves since they do not mind it now either and because their minds are on so retarded level. The gangsters that now rule societies, will get what they deserve. Realistic views: Hate... Im so full of it and I love it. That is one thing I really love. It is almost impossible to change the system. The faster human race is wiped out from this planet, the better... no one should be left alive. No mercy for the scum of earth. Fuck political correctness, fuck equality, fuck tolerance and fuck democracy... ...and what is democracy anyway? Dictatorship of the moral majority which is manipulated by the state mafia. Modern western democracy has nothing to do with freedom or justice; it is totalitarian and corrupted system. Long live the REVOLUTION against the system, which enslaves not only the weak-minded retards but also the small minority of intelligent and strong-minded people. LIFE: Life is just a coincidence... result of long process of evolution and many several factors, causes and effects. However, life is also something that an individual wants and determines it to be. And I... I'm the dictator of my own life. What is the best thing in life? It ends. Well I guess there are some other great things, worth living for, but sometimes you lose them or don't get them. Today the process of natural selection is totally misguided. Modern human race has not only betrayed its ancestors, but the future generations too. It's time to put NATURAL SELECTION & SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST back on tracks! RELIGION: Religious people, your gods are nothing and exists only in your heads. Your slave morals means nothing to me. I'm the god & devil of my own life. Evolution is both a theory and a fact, creationism is neither one. If hell and heaven really existed... all the interesting people would go to hell! PHILOSOPHY: HUMANITY IS OVERRATED! Human life is not sacred. Humans are just a species among other animals and world does not exist only for humans. Death is not a tragedy, it happens in nature all the time between all species. Not all human lives are important or worth saving. Sometimes I feel like no one is really worth of life at all. Due to long process of existential thinking, observing the society I live and some other things happened in my life... I have come to the point where I feel nothing but hate against humanity and human race. There are no other universal laws than the laws of nature and the laws of physics. Trust no one... and rely on your instincts. I am the law, judge and executioner. There is no higher authority than me. Justice renders to everyone his due. Country: Finland Occupation: Unemployed Philosopher, Outcast Companies: Human Race (evolved one step above though) Interests and Hobbies: Existentialism, Freedom, Truth, Misantrophy, Social / Personality Psychology, Evolution Science, Political Incorrectness, Women, BDSM, Guns (I love you Catherine), Shooting, Computer Games, Sarcasm, Irony, Mass / Serial Killers, Macabre Art, Black Comedy, Absurdism Movies and Shows: The Matrix, A View To A Kill, Falling Down, Natural Born Killers, Reservoir Dogs, Last Man Standing, Full Metal Jacket, Dr. Butcher MD (aka Zombie Holocaust), Saw 1-3, Lord Of War, The Deer Hunter, True Romance, The Untouchables, 28 Days Later, 28 Weeks Later, Idiocracy, They Live, Apocalypse Now, End Of Days, The Shining, The Dead Zone, Dr. Strangelove, House MD (TV), Monty Python, TV Documentaries Relating To History Music: KMFDM, Rammstein, Eisbrecher, Nine Inch Nails, Grendel, Impaled Nazarene, Macabre, Deathstars, The Prodigy, Combichrist, Godsmack, Slayer, Children Of Bodom, Alice Cooper, Sturmgeist, Suicide Commando, Hatebreed, Suffocation, Terrorizer Books: Fahrenheit 451 (Bradbury), 1984 (Orwell), Brave New World (Huxley), The Republic (Plato), all works of Nietzsche I don't see how when these people get on tv and talk like this that they don't just bust out laughing. I sure would, &phhheeh, sorry folks, haha, I can't read this anymore. Truth is, we're scamming the holy shit out of all of you. We're large, and in charge. Illuminati is in the hizzouse! East Sah-eeeed!& -Henry |
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11-07-2007, 06:30 PM
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Excellent work PSX documenting this case and all the relevant evidence before it's obfuscated and custom-altered to fit the "official story". In examining this guy's profile it seems that he has some definitive state resistance tendencies and ideology however they aren't used against the state. Instead his venom and violence has once again been unleashed upon innocents of a school, which brings me to at least the cursory conjecture that this individual may have been programmed. He fits the standard profile for confirmed Black Trenchcoat Mafia hypno-spree-killers, and his contradictions which led to a violent destructive rampage against the citizenry indicate revolutionary vengeance turned 180 degrees on its head.
These rampage killings usually happen on or near occult/Nazi days of significance, of which I don't believe occurred in this particular case. However the violence was clearly targeted at the populace in general and he claimed in his profile that he was an "anti-social Darwinist" that translates to the language and methodology of a sociopathic Eugenic supporter. Top shelf work PSX. Cheers and much respect. "We Will Fight and Fight from This Generation to the Next" - Vietnamese People's Fighting Slogan Freedom Undefended is Freedom Unearned!
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11-07-2007, 06:31 PM
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Yeah HHQ, my thoughts too.... MKULTRA strikes again.
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11-07-2007, 06:51 PM
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yeah this guys is either totally confused or definately a case of some serious mind-fuckery. Perhaps Multiple personalities...
anyone else see how this could be used against those of us that have the same feelings that he did-minus the hate and anger of murderous intent, Im talking about his social views on those in power and the like. Seems like a set-up if you ask me. "Listen to everyone, read everything, believe nothing unless you can prove it in your own research" ~William Cooper DTTNWO! |
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11-07-2007, 07:35 PM
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Just you wait, these are only test runs, when they figure out the best method this will become common specailly when they want to start banning guns hardcore with the coming NAU.
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11-07-2007, 08:05 PM
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Trying out his gun:
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=YjOfd7ax5IA School in view and gun to camera, posted the day before shooting: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=369_1194449557 Download both videos in avi format 3.57MB: http://www.mediafire.com/?4j00ym3tjox I don't see how when these people get on tv and talk like this that they don't just bust out laughing. I sure would, &phhheeh, sorry folks, haha, I can't read this anymore. Truth is, we're scamming the holy shit out of all of you. We're large, and in charge. Illuminati is in the hizzouse! East Sah-eeeed!& -Henry |
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11-07-2007, 08:12 PM
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I like how he holds it in a first person view, they definetly going to blame video games in a few, then the way he holds it with one hand only professionals can shoot that way hahaha.
How he even shoot that F92 with out ear protection those things are loud as fuck when you fire them off when holding them, I can't imagine shooting it in a close quarters area constently, I go deth. |
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11-07-2007, 08:48 PM
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More archived material:
http://www.kimmo.org/jokela/ http://koti.phnet.fi/pres/a/jokela/ Some of its contents: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Eric's Battlefield 2 stats: http://www.bf2stats.nl/player/94933011/ Counter-Strike: Source map of the Jokela school (not made by him, but someone suggested it was used for practice): http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/25336 ATTACK INFORMATION Event: Jokela High School Massacre. Targets: Jokelan Lukio (High School Of Jokela), students and faculty, society, humanity, human race. Date: 11/7/2007. Attack Type: Mass murder, political terrorism (altough I choosed the school as target, my motives for the attack are political and much much deeper and therefore I dont want this to be called only as school shooting). Location: Jokela, Tuusula, Finland. Perpetrators name: Pekka-Eric Auvinen (aka NaturalSelector89, Natural Selector, Sturmgeist89 and Sturmgeist). I also use pseydonym Eric von Auffoin internationally. Weapons: Semi-automatic .22 Sig Sauer Mosquito pistol. What do I hate / What I dont like? Equality, tolerance, human rights, political correctness, hypocrisy, ignorance, enslaving religions and ideologies, antidepressants, TV soap operas & drama shows, rap -music, mass media, censorship, political populists, religious fanatics, moral majority, totalitarianism, consumerism, democracy, pacifism, state mafia, alcholohics, TV commercials, human race. What do I love / what do I like? Existentialism, self-awareness, freedom, justice, truth, moral & political philosophy, personal & social psychology, evolution science, political incorrectness, guns, shooting, BDSM, computers, internet, aggressive electronic and industrial rock & metal music, violent movies, , FPS computer games, sarcasm, irony, black humour, macabre artm mass & serial killer cases, natural disasters, eugenics Natural Selectors Manifesto How Did Natural Selection Turn Into Idiocratic Selection? Today the process of natural selection is totally misguided. It has reversed. Human race has been devolving very long time for now. Retarded and stupid , weak-minded people are reproducing more and faster than the intelligent, strong-minded people. Laws protect the retarded majority which selects the leaders of society. Modern human race has not only betrayed its ancestors, but the future generations too. Homo Sapiens, HAH! It is more like a Homo Idioticus to me! When I look at people I see every day in society, school and everywhere... I cant say I belong to same race as the lousy, miserable, arrogant, selfish human race! No! I have evolved one step above! Naturality has been discriminated through religions, ideologies, laws and other mass delusion systems. Individual, who is going through his/hers natural power process and trying to live naturally, but is being told that the way he acts or thinks is wrong and stupid, will usually have some reactions which might be considered as "psychological disorders" by the establishment. In reality they are just natural reactions to the disruption of natural power process. They will have some of the following (depending on individual's personality): feelings of inferiority / superiority, hostility, aggression, frustration, depression, self-hatred / hatred towards other people, suicidal / homicidal thought etc... and it is completely normal. Humans are just a species among other animals and world does not exist only for humans. Death and killing is not a tragedy, it happens in nature all the time between all species. Not all human lives are important or worth saving. Only superior (intelligent, self-aware, strong-minded) individuals should survive while inferior (stupid, retarded, weak-minded masses) should perish. There is also another solution to the problem: stupid people as slaves and intelligent people as free. What I mean is that they who have free minds, are capable of intelligent existential and philosophical thinking and know what justice is, should be free and rulers... and the robotic masses, they can be slaves since they do not mind it now either and because their minds are on so retarded level. The gangsters that now rule societies, would of course get what they deserve. Of course there is a final solution too: death of entire human race. It would solve every problem of humanity. The faster human race is wiped out from this planet, the better... no one should be left alive. I have no mercy for the scum of earth, the pathetic human race. Collective Deindividualization: Totalitarianism & Delusions Of Democracy Collective deindividualization is a phenomenon where individual will be trained as part of the mindless herd controlled by state, corporation, church or some other organization, group, ideology, religion or mass delusion system and adopt it's rules, morality and codes of conduct. This phenomenon has been familiar in all despotic, authoritarian, totalitarian, monarchist, communist, socialist, nazi, fascist and religious societies troughout history. Also, the modern western democratic republics have the same phenomenon. It is just done so that people will think they are free and don't realize they are being enslaved. Majority of people in society are weak-minded and ignorant retards, masses that act like programmed robots and accept voluntarily slavery. But not me! I am self-aware and realize what is going on in society! I have a free mind! And I choose to be free rather than live like a robot or slave. You can say I have a god complex, sure... then you have a group complex! Compared to you retarded masses, I am actually godlike. Totalitarian governments rule people through education system, consumerism, mass media, monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force (police, military) and laws discriminating people who think differently than the majority. Democracy... you think democracy means freedom and justice? You are wrong. Democracy is a dictatorship of the moral majority... and the majority is manipulated and ruled by the state mafia. Modern western democracy has nothing to do with freedom or justice; it is totalitarian and corrupted system. Laws are made over the heads of the people and people are being brainwashed to support the system and connected to the institutional structures immediately after their birth. Societies are being ruled by manipulative and charismatic politicians who only care about the interests of majority, and who do not base their decisions on reason but emotions and feelings of the masses. These masses let the authorities of state to make all the important decisions for them. The masses will get an education, they study, get a job, go to work and vote in elections. They think they are free and dont criticise or question the system. They have become robots. It is like a constructed mechanism in mind, that leaves little choice for an individual to think, talk and act independently. Three Kinds Of Humans There are three kinds of human personality types in this world: individualistic human (3% of the world population) manipulative human (3% of the world population) mass human (94% of the world population) #1 & #2 type of personalities are intelligent, creative and self-aware. They have chosen bit different paths paths. #3 type of personalities are less intelligent and less creative, weak-minded people controlled by #2 type of personalities. The percentages are only estimations though but are based on Gaussian distribution and history of human race and how humans have organized into societies. And this is the way it has always been ever since humans started to organize into communities. Another way how to divide people is bit different but is based on the same facts, human nature and history. The division is based on the level of intelligence and quality of mentality: intelligent (3% of the world population) slightly retarded, so called normal people or robots (94% of the world population) highly retarded, vegetables (3% of the world population) Total War Against Humanity Hate, Im so full of it and I love it. That is one thing I really love. Some time ago, I used to believe in humanity and I wanted to live a long and happy life... but then I woke up. I started to think deeper and realized things. But it was not easy to become existential... knowing as much as I know has made me unhappy, frustrated and angry. I just cant be happy in the society or the reality I live. Due to long process of existential thinking, observing the society I live and some other things happened in my life... I have come to the point where I feel nothing but hate against humanity and human race. Life is just a meaningless coincidence... result of long process of evolution and many several factors, causes and effects. However, life is also something that an individual wants and determines it to be. And I'm the dictator and god of my own life. And me, I have chosen my way. I am prepared to fight and die for my cause. I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit, disgraces of human race and failures of natural selection. You might ask yourselves, why did I do this and what do I want. Well, most of you are too arrogant and closed-minded to understand... You will proprably say me that I am insane, crazy, psychopath, criminal or crap like that. No, the truth is that I am just an animl, a human, an individual, a dissident. I have had enough. I dont want to be part of this fucked up society. Like some other wise people have said in the past, human race is not worth fighting for or saving... only worth killing. But... When my enemies will run and hide in fear when mentioning my name... When the gangsters of the corrupted governments have been shot in the streets... When the rule of idioracy and the democratic system has been replaced with justice... When intelligent people are finally free and rule the society instead of the idiocratic rule of majority... In that great day of deliverance, you will know what I want. Long live the revolution... revolution against the system, which enslaves not only the majority of weak-minded masses but also the small minority of strong-minded and intelligent individuals! If we want to live in a different world, we must act. We must rise against the enslaving, corrupted and totalitarian regimes and overthrow the tyrants, gangsters and the rule of idiocracy. I cant alone change much but hopefully my actions will inspire all the intelligent people of the world and start some sort of revolution against the current systems. The system discriminating naturality and justice, is my enemy. The people living in the world of delusion and supporting this system are my enemies. I am ready to die for a cause I know is right, just and true... even if I would lose or the battle would be only remembered as evil... I will rather fight and die than live a long and unhappy life. And remember that this is my war, my ideas and my plans. Dont blame anyone else for my actions than myself. Dont blame my parents or my friends. I told nobody about my plans and I always kept them inside my mind only. Dont blame the movies I see, the music I hear, the games I play or the books I read. No, they had nothing to do with this. This is my war: one man war against humanity, governments and weak-minded masses of the world! No mercy for the scum of the earth! HUMANITY IS OVERRATED! It's time to put NATURAL SELECTION & SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST back on tracks! Justice renders to everyone his due. - Pekka-Eric Auvinen (aka NaturalSelector89, Natural Selector, Sturmgeist89 and Sturmgeist). I also use pseydonym Eric von Auffoin internationally. I don't see how when these people get on tv and talk like this that they don't just bust out laughing. I sure would, &phhheeh, sorry folks, haha, I can't read this anymore. Truth is, we're scamming the holy shit out of all of you. We're large, and in charge. Illuminati is in the hizzouse! East Sah-eeeed!& -Henry |
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11-07-2007, 11:34 PM
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Here are the red flags and clues I see from that last bit of evidence:
1) Posing with a pistol very much like the V-Tech shooter Seung-Hui Cho. Also issuing a manifesto exactly as he did. 2) In his "What do I hate / What I don’t like?" diatribe he states his dislike for Equality, the human race and ANTIDEPRESSANTS. 3) In his "What do I love / what do I like?" postulations he states his love for BSDM, macabre art, mass & serial killer cases, natural disasters and EUGENICS. Which makes me one want to scour his educational background as well investigate his family as well. Sociopaths like this guy to this degree are developed and not a natural innate state of being. Programming usually begins with a person who fits a certain passive-aggressive profile, with sociological anxieties that are in turn exacerbated by the dynamics of negative environment. The military, law-enforcement, some corporations, medical facilities and schools run psych profiles on their people so that pools of candidates can be readily found. I would imagine that Facebook and MySpace are a treasure trove for intelligence agencies seeking viable hypno-spree-killer candidates. I would also go even further and estimate that they'd also seed raves, cults and scenes with their agents and assets to discern and profile potential Manchurian candidates to procure for future black ops. "We Will Fight and Fight from This Generation to the Next" - Vietnamese People's Fighting Slogan Freedom Undefended is Freedom Unearned!
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11-08-2007, 12:35 PM
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after reading his theories, the first thing that comes to mind is that he seems like a rejected child of the psychopath ruling class
it's like he's so angry he's not one of the elite that he decided to take it out on everyone else also, i'd like to mention, that the masses are dumb, only because the so-called "elite" made the masses dumb by hiding their knowledge and indoctrinating the masses with their mind-crippling system it's like kicking a cat, then calling the cat stupid cause it's hurt |
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11-08-2007, 12:57 PM
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He really does express the ideology of eugenics with almost scientific precision. Relegating humanity to ambiguous statistics, then expounding on them.
I dont want to get into his head, seems others already occupy it, I do want to find the pattern/a pattern that exposes these Delta style public assassins. There seems to be a common thread between Columbine, V-Tech, and this new shooting. It would appear that either the programs are sloppy or lazy, probably both as the similarities are quite striking between the three school shootings. Some how I get the feeling that this will be an endeavor to get into the minds of those pulling the strings here, as opposed to getting why he did it. The issue now is to determine the angle for this one, what is the M.O. Im not familiar with the current political climate of Finland. What always gets me with these shootings is the tie back to violent games that seems to preceded this kind of killing. Its almost like they use it for both training and a convenient scape goat, blame the games, however they never really take any steps other than to create more of them. |
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11-08-2007, 08:04 PM
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Quote:after reading his theories, the first thing that comes to mind is that he seems like a rejected child of the psychopath ruling classI picked up that as well Pallaton, and pondered the same thing. Quote:The issue now is to determine the angle for this one, what is the M.O. Im not familiar with the current political climate of Finland.Hey Rod, the base M.O. that I'm working from is that Finland is reputed to be the third nation ranked that has significant guns and arms. They have a ready and able armed populace with high rates of literacy which makes them a threat to the global predators. I've read that due to their mandatory military service, they actually have more registered guns per capita than in the U.S. That makes them a prime target for these black ops which have always had at their centre the contrivance of IllumiNazi synthetic terror in the Reaction-Problem-Solution paradigm to achieve the goal of passing gun confiscation and anti-gun legislation. "We Will Fight and Fight from This Generation to the Next" - Vietnamese People's Fighting Slogan Freedom Undefended is Freedom Unearned!
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11-09-2007, 04:42 AM
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7 killed in Finnish school shooting
A nice list I found
12-16-92 Wayne Lo, 18, Simon's Rock College, Great Barrington, Massachusetts, ; 2 dead, 4 wounded -- "At the time I thought I did the right thing, but as I look back at it over time, more and more it doesn't make sense to me. And more and more I ask myself, Why? Why did I do it? I mean, Why?" -- .... he said the command to kill was a feeling. "It's not visual. It's not auditory," he said. "It's just, you realize it." --He remains convinced, he said, that it was something outside of himself that gave him a message to do what he did. Perhaps, he said in answer to a question, it was a supernatural or satanic force. --------------------------- 10-1-97 Luke Woodham, 16, Pearl, MS, Pearl H.S., 2 dead, 7 wounded --...(I) fought with myself because I didn't want to do any of it." ------------------------------------------------- 12-1-97 Michael Carneal, Paducah, KY, Heath H.S., 3 dead, 5 wounded --"Carneal told one psychiatrist that he felt like he was in a dream..." "It was like I was in a dream, and I woke up." Carneal's home room teacher reported that Carneal did not seem to recognize what he had done." ---------------------- 3-24-98 Mitchel Johnson, 13, and Andrew Golden, 11, Jonesboro, AS, Westside Middle School, , 5 dead --"Since that day, when the boys have been asked the same question(why did they shoot), they appeared not to be able to give an answer." Johnson: "I really thought that no one would actually be hurt." ----------------------------- 4-24-98 Andrew Wurst 14, Edinborough, PA, Parker Middle School(at off-campus school dance); 1 dead, 3 wounded .....As the police got to know more about Andrew's friends, they began to wonder if one of them was a 'puppet master' who may have manipulated Andrew into using the gun or at least encouraged him." --Wurst informed a forensic psychiatrist that, the government has programmed everyone, except for himself, by means of "time tablets" that control people's thoughts. ------------------------------------ 5-22-98 Kip Kinkel, Springfield, OR, Thurston High School, 1 dead, 7 seriously wounded --When Bolsted asked Kip, "Where do you think the voices came from?" Kip replied, "Well, I had some theories. Maybe it was from the devil... the government might have put a chip in my head. Government satellites might have transmitted to the chip.... At first I thought the voices were outside of my head because they were so very loud, like surround sound." Kip also claimed he believed one satellite gave voices to the microchip and another followed his every movement. --The voices than cut a deal with Kip's suicidal aspirations. He could be free of them at last if he committed certain homicidal acts. Kip reported that after hearing the voices say hundreds of times, "You have to go to school! Kill everybody!" he begged them to "Promise me you'll let me kill myself after..." The voices assured him that he could do so...... ------------------------- 4-20-99 Columbine massacre, 15 dead A fellow student(Dustin Harrison) had Eric Harris in his psychology class: "He just basicially said that he was having trouble with this recurring dream--that he woke up one morning and came into the school, and he just started shooting students and teachers as they came by, and then he said it always ended up....ended with him just blowing the school up. ----------------- 5-3-99 Southcoast Early Childhood Learning Center, Costa Mesa, California, Steven Allen Abrams, 39 Killed two toddlers and seriously injured several more when he drove his car at high speed onto the school playground. --Abrams began to believe that "somebody had brain wave technology that could control somebody's thoughts and behavior," --He believed government agencies had devised machines ..that "may even insert thoughts of killing" --psychiatric records portray Abrams as a man haunted by delusions that the CIA or some other government agency("an unknown government agency") wanted him to become a killer. ------------------------------- 5-20-99 T.J. Solomon, 15, Conyers, GA, Heritage High, 6 wounded --Witnesses described the shooter as initially "calm, sedate, vacant, and robotic." --T.J. had suicidal thoughts and believed to hear voices giving him commands. He heard voices telling him to do strange things, but they were robotic voices, not human voices ------------- 9-28-04 Rafael S., aka"Junior," 15, Islas Malvinas Middle School No. 2, Carmen de Patagones, Argentina, 3 dead, 5 wounded --Police said they arrested Rafael without resistance soon afterwards in the schoolyard. He was in a state of shock, witnesses said, and could not speak a word. --When a judge interviewed him afterwards he said only "I'm sorry, it happened very fast, and I did not decide anything." ------------- 3-21-05 Jeff Weise, Red Lake HS, 10 dead Web postings: "Lately I've been having some really strange dreams, they seem very realistic and filled with colour and sounds, ....a few night's ago I had this dream where I saw this very evil, very creepy canine's face coming toward's me, and I heard someone say "shoot!," either way everything went black and I could feel my whole body jerking and shaking, and while this was happening I could hear very loud and very distinct gunshot's, mostly machine gun fire... I found it very weird and woke up immediately after feeling a little disoriented... ." ------------------ 3-25-06 Seattle rave slayer Kyle Huff, 28, 8 dead --Roger Platt, who came to the party, said Huff didn't talk much but listened intently to others' conversations. One thing stood out to Platt as fairly odd. "I'd walk by him and he'd say, 'What's going on here? What's really going on?' " Platt said. It happened three or four times, Platt recalled. ------------------ 9-13-06 Kimveer Gill, 25, Dawson Jr. College, Montreal College, 2 dead, He complained a violent video game about a psychotic killer was not realistic enough. "I want them to make a game so realistic, that it looks and feels like it's actually happening," he wrote. ------------------- 10-9-06 Memorial Middle School, Joplin, MO School officials say the student pointed the gun at the two men, asked them not to make me do this and then raised the gun and fired a shot into the ceiling of the school, breaking a water pipe. After firing the shot, he said again, Please dont make me do this. ---------------------- 2-12-07 Suleiman Talovic, 18, SLC Trolley Square massacre, Salt Lake City, UT 5 dead, 4 wounded ....she(Monika) believes the young man was deeply affected by the violence. "After a while he had to take some counseling and get stuff out of his head," she said. |
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