Elisabeth de Rothschild died at Ravensbrück Concentration Camp

[ephilution]

Quote:Elisabeth de Rothschild (March 9, 1902, Paris, France - March 23, 1945, Ravensbrück, Germany) was a member by marriage of the wine-making branch of the Rothschild family.

Born Elisabeth Pelletier de Chambure and known as Lili, she was a daughter of a French count and a member of a Catholic family whose roots were in the Burgundy region.

In 1935, immediately after her divorce from her first husband, Maurice Rheims, she married her lover, Baron Philippe de Rothschild, a member of the prominent Rothschild family and the owner of one of France's most famous vineyards, the Château Mouton Rothschild in Pauillac in the Médoc. They had two children.

Following the occupation of France by the German army during World War II, she and her then-estranged husband were arrested by the Vichy government and the vineyard property seized. Philippe de Rothschild escaped and made his way to England where he joined the Free French Forces of General Charles de Gaulle. However, the Gestapo shipped Rothschild's wife, who had since reverted to her maiden name of Elisabeth Pelletier de Chambure, to Ravensbrück, a German concentration camp located about 50 miles north of Berlin.

http://www.spiritus-temporis.com/elisabe...othschild/

Query:
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&h...=Search&lr=

If the Rothschild family is so immensely powerful, then how is it that this banking dynasty with all their might and money were seemingly unable to stop the demise of one of their very own, Elisabeth de Rothschild, to the Nazi Ravensbrück concentration camp?

[solar]

Quote:If the Rothschild family is so immensely powerful, then how is it that this banking dynasty with all their might and money were seemingly unable to stop the demise of one of their very own, Elisabeth de Rothschild, to the Nazi Ravensbrück concentration camp?

Very good observation, phil ...:)

... I personally think that murder and/or "induced illness" is an unacknowledged factor in "conspiracy" research of the elites.

Other mysterious Rothschild deaths: :o

Amschel Rothschild (death discussed in this thread)

Baron Guy de Rothschild (death discussed in this thread)

Baron Elie Robert de Rothschild (death discussed in this thread)

People tend to think that a "muscular" fortune equals "immensely powerful" ...:(

... when in fact, "the great equalizer" among the elites may be murder and/or "induced debilitating illness".

How often in history have the "palace guards" compromised their masters ?

Was Amschel Rothschild "taken out" by Mossad and/or MI-6 ?

When you're as rich as the Rothschilds ...

... you're careful about walking through doors, or standing near "high rise" open windows.

You pick your doctors ...

... and your bodyguards, very carefully.:unsure:

More "speculative" questions:

Are certain elites ultra-respectable, "untouchable", all powerful ...

... or is the reality that there is a "war in heaven" among the elites ?

Is there only one "faction" ruling the world ...

... such as the "faction" associated with "Zionism", or the "faction" associated with the "Vatican" power nexus ?

Or is there a "pluralistic" power struggle among the "factions" of the elites ?

Is "Zionism" the fanatical "front end" for one elite "faction" ?

Is the "Vatican" another "front end" for another elite "faction" ?

Would you evaluate the performance of a car by how it looks on the outside ...

... or would you check under the "hood" ?

In my humble opinion, what we call "Zionism" and what we call the "Vatican" may just be the "body" of the vehicle ...

... not the underlying "chassis" and engine.

Intriguing thread ...B)

... thanks, again, phil !;)

[Hei Hu Quan]

With all due respect to everyone, and I'm just positing this as a question, but how do we know this even happened as they said it? These fuckers control the media with an iron hand and it is within the realm of possibility that the story could have been planted for empathy and Zionist mileage. Another possibility is that Baron Philippe arranged to have her killed in the camp. Possible motives include the selfish preservation of his financial resources from someone he wanted nothing to do with anymore, or perhaps he was banging about with some other bird who wanted her out of the nest. Outstanding question for me is why wasn't the good Baron Philippe in that camp with her when she died?

If the primary Zionists lied about an over-inflated six million number, I wouldn't put anything past these bastards to pull any stunt. However I'm always open to real, conclusive evidence. Let's explore all angles and break this down even further is what I'm advancing.

[ephilution]

Quote:With all due respect to everyone, and I'm just positing this as a question, but how do we know this even happened as they said it? These fuckers control the media with an iron hand and it is within the realm of possibility that the story could have been planted for empathy and Zionist mileage. Another possibility is that Baron Philippe arranged to have her killed in the camp. Possible motives include the selfish preservation of his financial resources from someone he wanted nothing to do with anymore, or perhaps he was banging about with some other bird who wanted her out of the nest. Outstanding question for me is why wasn't the good Baron Philippe in that camp with her when she died?

Well I get some 800 Internet pages that pretty much say otherwise:
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&h...=Search&lr=
Of course it is be possible that all of these pages are fabricated and have no basis in truth whatsoever and by the same token it is also possible that there are little green men walking around on Mars, who am I to have the last say in these matters?

Also, Elisabeth and Philippe shared a child of only 6 years old at the time of Elisabeth's encampment. If Philippe wanted to get rid of her by allowing her demise it would seem to me that this would not exactly have benefited the upbringing of the child.

Quote:If the primary Zionists lied about an over-inflated six million number, I wouldn't put anything past these bastards to pull any stunt. However I'm always open to real, conclusive evidence. Let's explore all angles and break this down even further is what I'm advancing.

I'm also a big fan of factual allegations and reporting but this goes for you, and everybody else for that matter, as much as it goes for me too. But you are right of course, we do need to establish authenticity of the made claims first and then start pondering what to do next.

As a bit of an aside. My desire for evidence based allegations was one of the motivations for me to start bitching about some members seemingly being too reluctant or too lazy to use a search-engine who would, as such, be able to put a little muscle behind otherwise baseless, empty and not rarely inaccurate and ill-formulated claims. See it as a plea for a more academic leveled type of research, if you will.

[Hei Hu Quan]

Not trying to piss on anyone's parade here, or shoot anybody's sacred cows. I was just advancing the supposition that things may not be what they seem at face value. I still would like to know the reason why the devoted Baron wasn't dying along with her in that camp. That throws up a red flag for sure.

[Ognir]

I love the way Rat Rothschild the husband escaped to the UK all the same and the Nazis got rid of her for him.

[harmonius]

I thought I heard something about her renouncing Judaism(Sabbateanism) and becoming Catholic... or some such. Can't remember exactly.


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[ephilution]

Quote:I thought I heard something about her renouncing Judaism(Sabbateanism) and becoming Catholic... or some such. Can't remember exactly.


MMM

That's exactly the point I was trying to make with my Use a Fucking Search Engine thread.

[Ognir]

:LOL:

[harmonius]

Quote:

Quote:I thought I heard something about her renouncing Judaism(Sabbateanism) and becoming Catholic... or some such. Can't remember exactly.


MMM

That's exactly the point I was trying to make with my Use a Fucking Search Engine thread.

You know, I only offered up that info because I thought it might help spur on someones memory. As I have been working so much, I barely have time to make a post. I'm lucky to read a few posts a day right now and DL a few things from the tracker to listen to at work. Not everyone one can make a dissertation all the time. So why don't you use a fucking search engine to answer your own question smart ass.

BTW she was a Roman Catholic married into the Rothschild dynasty. Ergo she was highly expendable being a goy and all. If I were to surmise on a conspiritorial level, I would be inclined to surmise that she was also good cover: "See, we Rothschilds lost family in that awful holocaust (that we helped in large part to fund.)" But since she was RC, married in, and not Jewish I wonder if the term holocaust would apply to her at all. Perhaps just a 'victim of Nazi attrocities.'


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[Shinobi]

How are we to ever know ?
Unless one of us actually meets and asks a member of their family.
Not sure if that would guarantee any truth in the matter
sure is a start though from all the arguing and upset.

It's really not anything to get upset with is it ?

Doesnt bother me.

[ephilution]

Quote:How are we to ever know ?
Unless one of us actually meets and asks a member of their family.
Not sure if that would guarantee any truth in the matter
sure is a start though from all the arguing and upset.

It's really not anything to get upset with is it ?

Doesnt bother me.

If Phillippe Rothschild got rid of his unwanted spouse by allowing sending her to the concentration camp then this would be hardly surprising and entirely conform to the impression we have of the Rothschild dynasty.

However, if Phillippe didn't want her to be shipped off to face certain death but she was anyway then with all the clamour of the Rothschilds being infinitely powerful, wealthy and what not the event seems all the more dissonant though.