What If We Are Crashing The System?

[itmakesmewonder]

'Every individual is at once the beneficiary and the victim of the linguistic tradition into which he has been born - the beneficiary inasmuch as language gives access to the accumulated records of other people's experience, the victim in so far as it confirms him in the belief that reduced awareness is the only awareness and as it bedevils his sense of reality, so that he is all too apt to take his concepts for data, his words for actual things.'
Aldous Huxley

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Quote:ask questions

1 - Whats "The System"?

The system is the oppressive and inhumane prison-system all around you and me that is run by psychopaths and criminals but that ironically we all helped create ourselves. Another sad thing is that we are all dependent on it to the point that we struggle to envisage a more humane alternative simply because we have never experienced anything different to the one we are in.

Quote:2 - Whats meant by "crashing" it?

...that we catch up with the corruption inherent in the system and that we will force the system to come down, ironically precisely according to the script of those running it so that a new one may emerge run by the same megalomaniac goon squad - like the phoenix rising from the ashes, if you will. I may be wrong in my take though.

Quote:OK so I read some of the original post and I have had my own thoughts about this. I said a while back, the classic question "How come they never kill Alex Jones?" and I sort of still do wonder about it... this fits into my theory (which I don't necessarily firmly believe, it is strictly a theory) where the real agenda is to never allow humanity to unite, speak one language, have one global nation without borders, one religion etc, how could the elites ever control everyone and play races off against other races if WE all banded together as one world? So then we have people like Alex Jones scaring us and saying we don't ever want a NWO, well hang on, I don't agree with that, its almost like he is saying we should STAY divided! The entire thing revolves around the assumption that if there was a NWO it would be the ruling elites in control of it - it doesn't have to be though, but thats the way its always pitched to us by Alex Jones and the like. I dunno, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't I guess. If we expose the elites agenda, they might send troops out and round everyone up (after some sort of civil war broke out) then if we don't expose it, we all live as slaves ANYWAY, we all live as slaves right now IMO.

Unity among people is not a bad thing. Far from it, in fact. It is however, the way and the aim under which unity is to be manifested that should be scrutinized. Do we want an unhealthy and artificial unity, maintained under threat and at the point of a gun? Or do we want unity out of respect and love for one another? It's not that a global government would be bad by definition, it is just under what circumstances it would be acquired and would be run. Right now, TPTB use subversion, deception, stealth, lying, cheating, killing etc. to get their way and this doesn't exactly bode well for the character a possible global government will assume as a consequence.

Quote:I am not religious but all that stuff about the devil revealing himself in the last days, it doesn't just mean nothing and seems to be the way its panning out, we even have Gordon Brown mentioning NWO, he knows he is winding certain people up, it seems like he is being provocative or something, itching for some real terrorist attack, but humans don't do real terrorist attacks, thats the problem the elites have, they are trying to fool us into accepting we are not humans and we can't buy that shit man, its against everything human beings stand for, we know it! We know the powers that be are creating fake terrorism... not everyone knows that but ENOUGH OF US do know it, maybe thats the whole plan, get people angry (with AJ helping out there) get a civil war on the go and thats it, FEMA camps and the (evil) type NWO arises.

We spend all our time arguing over "divide and conquer" whilst at the same time saying we never want to be united! WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT ABOUT? I think we need to take a step back and realise, hold on, yeah the NWO is evil but thats ONLY because we can see its Rothschild, Rockefeller, Zionists, all these people pulling the strings, shit man, Albert pike and his three world wars, ALL of that is evil and I know that, but at the same time I also know, we claim to be open minded but we are always narrow minded in thinking this NWO would always be evil because it would always be those power elites running the show... bullshit I say! They already DO run the fucking show, then we get told we don't want a NWO... huh, IMO we DO want a NWO... just not in the style of the type of NWO we always assume it to be.

I don't want their NWO. Unity? Yes please, but not at the point of a gun, whether that gun be visible or not...
The fact that they treat us like children is upsetting off and by itself but what is at least equally discomforting is that, through our apathy and complacency, we have asked for it also.

To avoid confusion, with "unity" I do not mean that we all should become alike in everything we do. People differ in opinions, character and what not (thank golly) but this doesn't mean we cannot be united on common grounds. I think the key is love and respect for eachother, the rest will follow naturally through reasonable dialogue and tolerance. Fear and its offspring aggression is most damaging to attain organic unity.

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LeveL Wrote:1 - Whats "The System"?

2 - Whats meant by "crashing" it?

The System is driven by an unspoken assumption; that is passed on to each individual by the social structures created by said System.
Assumption drives the System. The System feeds back Assumption.

For instance, if we assume that the world is here for us to do whatever we want with it, we will treat it differently than if we assume that we are a part of it.... and our system will reflect that, depending.

So the assumption drives the conduct of the humans that adhere to it, and the System feeds back this assumption to the humans.


What is crashing the system, then?

When we first read that, it seems like it is something we have to DO, as if physical, against it.
But when we see that the system is based on an assumption, how do you go to war with an assumption?

We can't. They only way is to question the assumption, to find out what we REALLY want, and do it.


Most of us here do that to some extent (or else we wouldn't be here), but it seems like we stop, once we see someone else to blame. But that someone has the SAME ASSUMPTION as we do. They are part of the same system.

But we have to keep going, keep questioning EVERYTHING we assume. Right down to our fundamental assumption of who we are. (that's why there is all this ego talk, which is can be taken as constructive to some, and unconstructive to others....)


Example of an unspoken sub-assumption we take for granted, and rarley question:

"My food is better coming from the <span style="color:#FFFF66">Grocery Store, <span style="color:#66FF99">wrapped in plastic, <span style="color:#33FFFF">sprayed, and exchanged for <span style="color:#9999FF">green paper."

is it?
Most of us agree that this assumption is false. But who's doing anything about it?

Most of us stopped when we found someone else to blame: <span style="color:#FFFF66">the ceo of the store, <span style="color:#66FF99">plastic toxins, <span style="color:#33FFFF">pesticide companies, and <span style="color:#9999FF">the banks .... We would rather blame the suppliers (system) drivin by the assumption, than actually stopping our acting-out of the assumption; that we disagreed with in the first place.

It's like cursing others to your death, instead of stopping your participation in what is killing you in the first place.

I don't think that any of us want to go out like that..... so why are we then?

[inc7]

The system is propagated at a root level, that is its much more fundamental. An example, say your describing a behavior do to deficiency or chemical imbalance, how effective is influencing this behavior without correcting the deficiency or imbalance. Not very, i mean strategies can be incorporated to deal with, but thats not dealing with it at the root level, but on a behavior level, superficial level. Everyone is suffering an imbalance and the world teaches us to deal with it in a superficial way, which has manifested in the ego control of collective reality. So this imbalance causes the personality to be a certain model, very predictable, and very much connected to ego, that is self personality, always seeking to feed the self in some way, physical, desires, lusts, intellectually, allways trying to fill a void, but nothing external can, and that is the system. The many manipulations and controls only work because of the ego, external connection on a physical chemical level, that is imbalance im talkin of isnt metaphysical, but observable, there was a polarization of focus within each one of us that brought on this, "I" complex, self conscious, selfishness.

I explain i think very well in other posts, relationship, polorization, external vs internal power source, etc.

I dont wanna post here if not welcome, the posts i mention previous are in the other crashing the system thread.

[inc7]

A type of, however, self empowerment as a function of action and thought is within the realm of the ego and futile, what im talking about is a shift in chemistry, realizing where the true source of power comes from, not metaphysically, but physically, chemically, the root, life itself, and being a host to it, as many external influences and actions atrophy this power, connection, replace it, and is what in fact gave spawn to the ego focus in the first place, self personality, external reality, and manifested into the characteristics of our shared reality, and individual personality.

It all comes down to a root choice and then allowing that to manifest, in spite of our efforts, as in fact it will adventually fix the imbalance, deficiency, within, and in doing so bring upon wholeness and sound spirit connection, a new focus and personality, with characteristics that are not driven to feed the system.

What is the root choice, a desire to become clean of the corruption, in all its forms. Most ppl are happy to lie to themselves about the external influences, justifying it however they can, whithin what ever machinations that allow for it, again i say not to try to stop by your own will or efforts, or controlling thinking, just stop lying to yourself and allow yourself to see the truth, adventually this will build desire, as we ultimately have a desire to do what we think is right, its all a, seed that starts to grow within, permeating all your thoughts, till action occurs, an element of suffering and self denial is the case, but with each stage of, a connection within increase, a shift in power starts to occur, from the external to the internal, which starts to fix the deficiency, ultimately realization and manifestation. The ego will lie to you at every turn, wanting physical and physchological induligence in the external energy sources as there will be a period of withdrawl.

Personality characteristics of being grounded in external energy source: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft(pharmacology, herbology), hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, fear, and the like, and in varying degrees.

Personality characteristics of being grounded in the internal energy source: Love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance and the like.

The former keep you in bondage to the system in whatever capacity, the later frees you in every capacity.

I realize im not talkin to everyone, and some will continue to lie to themselves. Saying it all perspective.

The system is a denying of truth, in favor of perspective on every level, just look at that in light of every situation, the truth is being changed with perspective and fed to the public, the realm of perspective is spawned from being anchored to the external power source on whatever level your at.

Too much typing, prob misunderstanding, i tried not to get to Biblical to illustrate.

I think ultimately, responsibility lies within, and our only charge is spreading this fact, nothin external has power over you, you give it power, whats illustrated is not getting into ultimate power one receives, inspiration etc, that are far more then his own abilities, and to what end that might entail in making a real difference in the world.

[blove8.]

How about we try keeping it as simple as possible? Also, remember, this thread is about solutions.

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Quote:Striking and non participation are great ways to start leaving the system behind. I assume you understand that it is not at all easy for everyone to free themselves from their assumptions. " I assume that if I walk out of this job I won't get much work in the near future and as such no cash to feed the family" is readily a deterrent in the mind of a potential striker.as the wageslavery grind has people over a barrel, the correspondent "whipping" by the slave owners varying in severity dependant of geo position and genetics.

We can only do what we can do, and we're only as stuck as we think we are.

Just want to make things clear that I am in no way less of a hypocrite than anyone else... and maybe more:)
This isn't an over-night change for any of us. It takes time. It's a skill.... I try to treat it like an art.

As you accomplish things directly, the less you have to work. The less you have to work for wages, the more time you have to learn more skills. And it keeps building. So the independence rises, while the dependence on wages lowers, until you need very little support from anyone else to stay alive.

I'm not saying I've mastered this but it is progressing and I'm enjoying the results. I want to help make this available for anyone who wants it too. I'm not trying to push this on anyone. Some people like their 9 to 5 jobs, but most of us probably have something that we'd rather be doing.

It's not just about relinquishing the 9 to 5 job, it goes much deeper than that, like it was shown in the previous thread. I'm sure we'll get into it more as the thread progresses;)

Quote:It's very philosophical and I think that as we begin making less assumptions, in turn false constructions and faulty concepts also begin to give way. The critical point is where the action can actually continue of it's own inertia and then actually postively affects other people and constellations of people by contact. whether it be a pamphlet, a garden, an energy a word or an act or a person etc.

I agree.


Just a few things that came to mind...

If we don't know how to survive by our own 2 hands, then we are always going to be dependent on someone to provide our needs for us.

Skill specialization is a problem. Sure we can do one thing really really well, but we've sacrificed our independence to be some specific career person. It's hard for some people to let go of their specialization roles because they are good at them, and it is satisfying to accomplish tasks. We don't have to get rid of our jobs... until we're ready too. But the option should be there.

To me, the more we can take care of ourselves, the better we'll feel about everything (at least that's my experience). Food and water is necessary, and those need to be gathered from the source as close to the individual as possible.

There's alot of excuses NOT to do anything... like "the games on", or "too tired"... but really, is that what our problem really is? I think it's that we care what people think, too tired is just an excuse to not actually say and do what we really feel like.

I think some people are under the impression that everything has to be done right away, or as fast as possible... and that scares us away from trying certain tasks, and therefore not allowing ourselves the time to learn as we accomplish.

People don't wanna fuck up, but we have to, to learn. And our fear of what others may think will stop us from trying, and then we come up with the excuses of why we don't wan't to do it, then the excuses begin.

Keep in mind that I'm talking to myself here too.

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Glad you mentioned Banksy and Sartre Nikolaaas,
Yes we can all learn from what Banksy is doing.
http://banksy.co.uk/outdoors/horizontal_1.htm
A lot of people can relate to the semi disturbing/funny images even those who dont consider themselves 'cultured'
Intervention in the public space is one way of making bridges to awakening.This can be done through art or just through not providing the expected attitude or set of ettiquette that is expected in the world of the programmed.

Themes of most galleries today are based on whats not there, the man made, the emptiness of relationships and use the same psychology of mainstream media.
I speak of art because the oppressed used to look to the artists for a voice. The London art scene is far from woken up, the video art superstars and bad painters are funded by the illuminati and uses the same droll language of contemporary advertising. Many are totally enslaved by the system dependant on alcahol,ciggerettes and regular haircuts and will do their best to run after the run away train of fashion to stay on top of the charade.
The London art scene promises to be the best in the world but it so seeped in materialism and has stolen all its best things from everywhere else in the world it is totally unsubstantial.I would say Banksy is the best thing you could see there.

Nobody asks for this assualt on our minds with billboard advertising, telling us how to live, think aspire to be.
The anger or dissilusion that you feel against the system can be directed in ways if you have an outlet for it. I am seeing distinct lack of political poetical graffiti these days. Though I have the images in my head. Anybody want to do some?

[inc7]

Why is everything thought of as being in the mind or perception:

quote from post 42.

We can only do what we can do, and we're only as stuck as we think we are.

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Dont you think were all being influenced beyond our perception. Example the toxin and poisons all around us are affecting us beyond our perception of or for many, no perception of. We live in a concrete physical world, governed by cause and effect, independent of perception, tho perception can obviously affect.

A world of absolutes, and universal truth can still accommodate that which is not understood, also the spiritual and non physical nature of the universe, however the physical is one of order, governance. That is if you drink bleach thinkin its coolaide, do you not still suffer in spite of perception, which manifests in real observable cause and effect outcome? This whole perception, the biggest lie, after all there can be only one "truth", that is the concept of truth is the opposite of perspective, in that perspective can morph and deviate and lie. There is a governing force, an order influencing everythin, thats not perspective nor is it subject to perspective as the coolaide illustrates. Dont drink the coolaide.

[inc7]

Ya, went through my mind after typing coolaide.

To add, no matter how free you might be in reality, the mind or perception can cause one only to see bondage, and manifest that. And that is in fact the case, we all have the ability within to manifest freedom, however the mind or perception points to this or that as being the bondage.

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Quote:Brandon not sure this is the smartest thing to do. I didn't close the last thread and this one looks like it will be another pissing competition imho.

Og

Why is this thread a pissing competion ? :confused:

Quote:Looks like this gnostic section might need some more attention this week-end. Will re-chat with Mike but it sounds like religion and or ghey.

Even if we open a new section, do you think ...? I think not and that is another reason we are against the new section as it will encourage more trolling and will piss everyone off.

I don't feel it's necessary to have a new forum to debate a religious topic.
Everybody just needs to chill out, and quit accusing others with differing opinions, seems when one view says something the other takes it as a personal offense. Can't we just be more polite in our disagreement, instead of responding in tones that call the other stupid for what they believe.

[inc7]

I think there are things goin on at a fundamental level that should be presented to the masses while any free will still exists,

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Theres a lot of ppl concerned about chemtrails, vaccines etc, but if cancer and such are viral, contagious and deliberately introduced, that is one of the greatest evils ever committed to global humanity, and may very well only be in its infancy. I mean how many ppl died, and will die from cancer, and what if all the causes were being fed are bs, that every single death from every kind of cancer was spawned in a lab of the elites, it makes aids look well you know what i mean, i hope.

We see sickness as being a norm these days, an accepted, i mean what if sickness before the manipulation was always bacterial, fungal, protozoal, and parasitic in nature, that is living, i mean there is an argument that viruses are not alive, and never were but manipulation of DNA and RNA, which has caused a mutation, piggy backing and spreading with other infectious disease, the bacteria, fungal, protozoal, and parasitic . That is a manipulation, with a delivery system, an engineered infection, a rewritten bit of code, MAN MADE.

http://conspiracycentral.info/index.php?...pic=17926#


This is the issue, this is the one, its implications are catastrophic, who knows the extent really, now what, half of all ppl, rate doubling every 5 years, whats goin on here, is it all engineered?

Is this the Plague of our time? Read and watch the movie. Ideas of re-wrapping and spreading the word, to the masses.


http://conspiracycentral.net:6969/torrents...17522c9.torrent

[nataraja]

there has been alot of talk about freedom, but i ask if this freedom has ever existed. it seems idealistic, if i move to the amazon jungle and become completly sustainable in all ways of life, am i free ?

the people that havnt researched what we have and spent time learning about the true nature of our system, tend to beleive that the system is the way it appears to be, and that there is no other way it could possibly be. so in this sense they beleive they are free, is freedom relative? can you be free without comparing your state to somone else, or is it just a state of "more" free, or free'er.

there is also alot of talk about ego, mainly from inc, and i realy enjoy reading what inc has to say, i like to analyze my true nature or my true state of being. ive also said that arrogance will be the ends of man. although what you have to say is interesting in this context when we are discussing a solution i dont see the relevance of it, maybe for a personal solution to a global problem, one can seek sustainable independant lifestyle, while at the same time practices humility and all the other good qualitys we are told exist.

i have a bit of a negative attitude when it comes to a solution to this global problem, as i dont beleive its possible to beat them any other way than direct or indirect physical attack, or by taking them down from the inside.

individual solutions can be seen and most likely will work and probaly very well, but globally and even nationally...its a different story.

just throwing a different spin on what you are saying, not trying to argue:)

if i misunderstood im sorry, i have to be honest i dont read every post in its entirety as im at work and always getting distracted :/

[inc7]

I hear what your saying nataraja, i think tho not addressing a root prob which is the cause of it all, and just tearing down this branch or that, will still not produce the right fruit. That is if the truth movement tear down the NWO, unless trusting the order inherent in life, it just be replaced by another manifestation of mans ideals, still having the same root problem. Can this order of life be seen, does it have a will, a way? Or is it all about mans perception? The concept of republic, is a system that trusts the order of life, that being there is a collective consciousness, life itself, that should govern itself, not be governed by wisdom of rulers, and whatever perceptions they have for what is right.

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There exists negativity, it's within that, after accepting that we are a part of it, that we see we're only as stuck as we think we are.

inc, seeing how you are concerned with the obvious challenges, what are you doing to help?

What did you do today to help, pysically?

The "elite" are just people, they eat and drink... they rely on grocery stores, just like we.

There are needs that we have that are not directly controlled by us, such as food and water... things humans need to live.... what are you doing, inc, to secure your basic necessities?

There is a food and waste cycle that we are all a part of.


Why aren't we focusing on solutions like blove8 intended to have happen with this thread?

nikolaas688 Wrote:would we not need a perception(s) of what freedom was, in order to manifest it?

Image isn't reality. The image of freedom isn't freedom, freedom is a state of being, not a thought or image.

Which came first, the perception of freedom, or the freedom itself?

It's not possible to invent freedom, you could rid yourself of what was making you feel unfree. That's why created Systems, or Programs have never worked for long, or for everyone.