Predictive Programming

[humbug]

watched "The holy mountain"(1973) the other day. great flick.
for a change, deprogramming or at least overly ironic, especially the trashing of the enneagram.

[solar]

Terrific thread, Phil !B)

Several torrent sites have links to the 2008 "TV miniseries" remake of THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN.

Intriguing if you haven't seen this yet.

The 1971 version of THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN (also very intriguing!!) was directed by Robert Wise ...

... who also directed the 1951 version of THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL ...

... and the 1964 version of THE SOUND OF MUSIC !!:)

The 2008 version of THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN is produced by Ridley Scott ...

... who directed ALIEN.

Two other possible "predictive programming" videos are Kenneth Johnson's 1980s TV series "V" (on many torrent sites) ...

... and, of course, John Carpenter's THEY LIVE.

Thanks again for initiating the thread, Phil !;)

[yeti]

Quote:Traditionally, Sirius is represented by the five pointed star, the pentacle.

What? Show me.

[humbug]

http://our.homewithgod.com/mkcathy/sirius2.html
Canis Major, Salute the Bitch

[ephilution]

Cute yeah although I'm more of a cat person myself, but what does it have to do with predictive programming?

[humbug]

Quote:Cute yeah although I'm more of a cat person myself, but what does it have to do with predictive programming?

collective programming is most effective. sirius promoting in movies and ritual reality is just another preparation for the "return of the bullcrap ennead anal aeon of birthcontrol" agenda crew, who seemingly have lost it having found the ultimate (un)truth in numerology, that is so neatly tucked away in all religions and secret cults, which promote their so-called wisdom via practical media outlets. soon it will be show and tell time for the "great work", the grand delusion.

what is a cat person? and why become one? and whats it got to do with anything? or would you like to tell me a nice story about isis' pussy?

Quote:Cute yeah although I'm more of a cat person myself, but what does it have to do with predictive programming?

Quote:Traditionally, Sirius is represented by the five pointed star, the pentacle.

What? Show me.

so i showed. didn't you notice all those five pointers? fine tradtion

[ephilution]

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Quote:Cute yeah although I'm more of a cat person myself, but what does it have to do with predictive programming?

collective programming is most effective. sirius promoting in movies and ritual reality is just another preparation for the "return of the bullcrap ennead anal aeon of birthcontrol" agenda crew, who seemingly have lost it having found the ultimate (un)truth in numerology, that is so neatly tucked away in all religions and secret cults, which promote their so-called wisdom via practical media outlets. soon it will be show and tell time for the "great work", the grand delusion.

Care to elaborate a little bit further please? Do you have some references to sources you base your opinion on?

Quote:what is a cat person? and why become one? and whats it got to do with anything?

A cat person is a person who likes cats. You become one pretty much automatically if you love cats.
You showed a picture of a nice looking dog which reminded me of my affection for cats, which is in a pet way the conjugate to the dog.

Quote:or would you like to tell me a nice story about isis' pussy?

I would if I could, believe me.

[SiLVa]

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Quote:Traditionally, Sirius is represented by the five pointed star, the pentacle.

What? Show me.

Show you what? What would you like to see? where Sirius is symbolized by the 5 pointed star?

Ive read in certain masonic writings about the dog star/blazing star, and how its symbolized by that star...sorry I cant recall what page or what book at the moment, but...
Here is one example in a modern day logo:



and here's another quote I found...
"To find in the BLAZING STAR of five points an allusion to Divine Providence is also fanciful; and to make it commemorative of the Star that is said to have guided the Magi is to give it a meaning comparatively modern. Originally, it represented SIRIUS, or the Dog Star."
- General Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma

[Beerdwarf]

Quote:QUOTE(SiLVa @ May 12 2008, 05:31 PM) *
Traditionally, Sirius is represented by the five pointed star, the pentacle.

Are you getting this mixed up with Venus. Venus' westward elongation from the Sun, over five consecutive synodic periods, will create the points of a pentagram. See link here: LINK

[SiLVa]

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Quote: QUOTE(SiLVa @ May 12 2008, 05:31 PM) *
Traditionally, Sirius is represented by the five pointed star, the pentacle.

Are you getting this mixed up with Venus. Venus' westward elongation from the Sun, over five consecutive synodic periods, will create the points of a pentagram. See link here: LINK

No, but I do realize what your speaking of, however I believe its the upside down 5 pointed star that is to symbolize Venus.

[yeti]

Quote:Ive read in certain masonic writings about the dog star/blazing star

True. Sirius is AKA the Dog Star.

Many celestial objects are represented by 5 pointed figures. Are they all pentacles which worship Satan?

BTW, my turds can predict the future, but you need to buy my book to learn how to interpret them...

[ephilution]

Conspiracy Theory (1997)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118883/



Jerry (Mel Gibson) is a rather paranoid, slightly delusional, and slightly disturbed conspiracy theorist. If not engaged in conspiratorial theories, he works as a taxi driver who seems to be constantly on the edge, fueled, presumably, by sufficient doses of caffeine which leaves him constantly rambling on about a whole host of conspiracy theories to his bewildered taxi fares who all give the viewer the distinct impression just wanting to be left alone. His living apartment is a littery mess, and the level of his paranoia is clearly demonstrated by his nutty habit of putting locks on not only his refrigerator but the food containers stored in it as well. This rather blatant caricature of the conspiracy theorist (or researcher), an acting performance that admittedly perhaps can only be accomplished by someone of the caliber of Mel Gibson, sets the freakish tone for the entire movie. Viewers are thus left with the notion that basically conspiracy theorists are individuals suffering from various expressions of psychopathology, namely: hyperactivity, delusion and paranoia.

Therefore the movie seems to sponsor a critical frame of reference which rejects anyone who choses to scrutinize and subsequently criticize the society he or she lives in. True, the conspiracy theorist in the movie is of the sympathetic hero type but his level of craziness far outweigh his credibility as an astute critic of society, an interpretation that is all the more supported when it is revealed that he is the victim of a mind control program suffered earlier in his life. Thus the movie suggests that his mind is warped to begin with and it is but to be expected that all kinds of mental borderline-insane non-sense is churned out by it.

Therefore, through some conspiratorial watershed event, should conspiracy theories become more prevalent in the future the public is already being prepped to receive budding conspiracy theorists with ample doses of ridicule. Remember this movie was made in 1997, i.e. 4 years before 911 = the designated watershed event. Even George W Bush emphasized "not to tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories" shortly after 911.
So on the one hand you have the emergence of all kinds of conspiracy theories disseminated most significantly through Internet and on the other hand you have movies such as the one discussed here, condemning the budding conspiracy theorist. As such, this movie, though charming as it may be in some cinematographic respects, may be interpreted as a psychological counterintelligence operation aimed at thwarting (budding) critics of society and government.

Towards the end of the movie the meat and potatoes of the theme of the movie is revealed. It is confirmed that yes indeed their was such a thing as a CIA Mind Control program (MK-ULTRA) but it was terminated already in 1973. Then, what will turn out to be the bad guy of the movie ("Jonas"), continued its research independently from, the movie suggests, any government organizations. Of course, the technology of MK-ULTRA then was purportedly stolen and its mind control subjects were deployed in the private sector. This makes it look as if, yes the government was involved in Mind Control, but no they were not responsible for any ensuing acts of assassination. Instead the movie makes it look as though historic assassinations carried out by Mind Controlled "Manchurian Candidates" were done by renegade factions operating independently from the government, the latter which then consequently walks away from any blame. By sticking to this theme, where the bad guys are invariably just some radical renegade governmental offshoot, limited in scope and authority, it seems never appropriate or righteous to accuse government, or a governmental organization, in its entirety. This theme can also be seen in effect in the psyop works of Dan Brown with his filmed book 'The DaVinci Code' and other movies such as 'Shooter'.

Therefore the function of this movie, with respect to programming, on the viewing audience is twofold. First, it is to help persuade the viewer to reject through ridicule and contempt, people engaged in critically reviewing society and government. And secondly, it is to help convince the viewer that if there is government involvement in criminal or unethical activity it is always being perpetrated by small criminal break-away factions spun off from government rather than involvement by the government as a whole.

Let's home in on the very concept of conspiracy theory. Now, a theorist is someone who engages in theories, or speculation, with respect to some arbitrary subject matter. However, a more ambitious researcher would want to be able to test his or her idea or theory with some means of verification or fact checking. In science, this would simply be the analogue of experiment or observation. Therefore if a theory turns out to be not supported by the facts belonging to the case, the theory is in need of revision to be afterwards again be subjected to fact checking and altered accordingly if need be, and so on until both theory and experiment are most compatible with each other... Therefore people who take their research a bit more serious and who sincerely strive to have their theories conform to actuality as much as possible, would much better be called conspiracy scientists rather than be given the handicap label of conspiracy theorist. Coming back to the movie, here comes the self-proclaimed conspiracy theorist Jerry who even states during the movie that neither of his theories can be proven, arguing that a good conspiracy theory simply cannot be proven. As such, Jerry throws what little left of his own credibility out of the window and thus leaving the viewer with the impression even more that people who engage in conspiracy theories, no matter how sympathetic they may be, are in actual fact but mere fruitloops, one way or another.

Then there are some dialogues/passages that I thought were rather salient and deserved extra addressing:

"Jerry: They'll stick me in the same place as Oswald, just another lunatic acting alone.
Alice: Oswald killed the President, is that what you're planning to do Jerry?
Jerry: No, on the contrary."

This can be counted as a confirmation to the idea that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in killing John F Kennedy, which is ironically and remarkably quite unlike what real life 'conspiracy theorists' believe by and large.

"Jerry: The Oliver Stone-Bush Connection. If anyone who has the information he's got and had a national podium to shout it from, they actually let him do it? No it's quite clear that he is a disinformation junky for them....The fact that he's still alive says it all. He probably should be dead but he's not."

Well I agree that Stone is a disinfo agent but not with the specifics given here. Stone made "JFK", a movie critical of the official "lone nutter" explanatory fairy tale. Indeed it stands to reason to suspect that the powers that be never would allow a movie to come out revealing the whole truth about the Kennedy assassination. Since the people responsible for the assassination are never revealed in the movie it is fair to assume that the maker of "JFK" is indeed in league with the same powers that were responsible for the assassination. As researcher Eric Jon Phelps pointed out the actual hand in the Kennedy assassination is hinted at by phrases such as when DA Jim Garrison utters the phrase "Black is white and white is black", a slogan Phelps maintains is listed in the book of Spiritual Exercises belonging to apprentices of the Jesuit Order. Indeed, since Kennedy refused to recognize the Pope's temporal power in the US he made himself a open target for assassination by the Vatican to be executed under the auspices of its Praetorial Guard, the Jesuits. So I would agree with Jerry only if "The Oliver Stone-Bush Connection" would be replaced by "The Oliver Stone-Vatican Connection". That this may indeed give a more accurate rendition of actuality is further evidenced by the fact that Mel Gibson himself is very friendly with the Jesuits and the Gibsons since long have had strong ties with Opus Dei.

"Lone gunman assassins have three names. John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, Mark David Chapman."

Although it is true that the full names given here comprise three names, the truth-content of the statement as a whole is in severe doubt. Personally, I think the case of the lone gunman assassin is very weak compared to a conspiratorial interpretation in all three alluded cases. However, to slip a semi-truth into a sentence like this tends to make it look as if the whole sentence is true to a gullible viewer. As such, ironically a technique is laid to bear aiming at deceptively trying to dissuade the viewer precisely from seeking refuge to conspiracy theories since, by construction, 'lone gunman theories' refute the need for appealing to conspiratorial accounts to explain away the transpired events.

To recap, as ironic as it may seem I maintain that this movie needs to, at least, be frowned upon by 'conspiracy theorists' and the like, rather than being received with open arms. This should not be one of your banner movies folks....

[B4Time]

The other night I could not sleep so I opened vlc loaded the shoutcast tv listings.was clicking through when i found futurerama at desync and started to watch.I almost fell off my chair lol.There is so much just in this one show who ever wrote it knew their stuff.Caught e01 ,starts out with id chips.there is also a levitating pyramid.There is plenty more in this show.if you peeps are bored or can't sleep watch an episode or two.The show is on 24 hours a day and you don't have to download anything to watch so it saves some time.When I get time I going to try to catch the first episode again and take notes for as many episodes as i can and see what I can come up with.

[plasticfan]

P.I.D. Radio 6/29/08: Dr. Lynn Marzulli - Indiana Jones and the Great Deception

IS IT PROPAGANDA when it’s only a movie, and a pretty mediocre one at that? Our guest tonight, Dr. Lynn Marzulli, author of Politics, Prophecy, and the Supernatural, says yes.

Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is, in Lynn’s view, a thinly veiled piece of predictive programming intended to prepare us for the forthcoming disclosure event, the revelation that we owe our existence to our “space brothers”. Furthermore, all the world’s religions are based on a flawed creation myth, and now they’ve returned to help us take the next step in our spiritual evolution.

audio 1hr (29 June 2008)
http://media.libsyn.com/media/pidradio/p...080629.mp3


http://www.pidradio.com

[ephilution]

Starship Troopers 3 - Marauder
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0844760/

This is typically a movie for young people, especially boys who still like to play around with toy guns and are the most likely army recruits later in life. The movie is probably a bit too childish to the most adult movie veterans and although admittedly the movie seems to have its spoofy moments, the overal tone of the movie is quite serious as well (there are no jars of artificial blood spared in this one). Given its possible impact on a young viewing public I decided to treat the movie as a serious work of propaganda rather than let it slip away as a harmless spoof.


"If you're against the war, you're against us...", seems to be the boring du jour slogan of The Federation (the central type of governing body). False dichotomous maxims like this remind me of the one uttered by no less than US President George Bush himself, who said not too long after 911 that "You are either with us, or you are with the terrorists." Again, there's little resting ground for the pacifist. Consequently, war protesters are without recourse summarily executed since they are considered to be quite literally enemies of the state.

Thus it will comes as little surprise to the viewer that the movie portrays a society in which Martial Law is in full swing. Seemingly every government official is wearing an army uniform, a type of which is strongly reminiscent of wartime Nazi Germany. Coincidence? I think not.

In the early moments of the movie, some of the main characters, which are military men and women from the Federation, have to defend themselves against hostile farmers. Since sympathy is granted to the military at the expense of the farmers, the movie makes it look as if the
military also have the default moral upper hand. This condition is further accentuated when one of the main characters (the General) gets a serious ass-whooping from those wretched and immoral farmers.

In the eyes of the viewer, given the movie's unconditional moral preference for the military, the most ferocious kind of Fascism - Nazism - gets a huge endorsement by the movie.

In order to successfully fight the enemies of the Federation (mind you, I'm talking about the bugs now rather than the peaceful war-protestors) a crack military team is outfitted with an impressive type of high-tech exoskeletal robotic armour, of which the following is said in the movie: "The hardwire interfaces directly with your nervous-system." This suggests that, at least in the military, that once a trooper gets its brain wired onto (external) hardware, nothing but good and prosper comes out of it. Of course, to stress viewer attraction towards (brain)implants a bit more, imagery of nudity are joyously blent in with the movie scenery. This way, the attractiveness of the idea of future implants is boosted with sex-appeal.

It's quite remarkable that the movie portrays a society in which an almost perfect balance exists between male and female soldiers, even in the crack outfit. The movie makers seemingly went out of their way to avoid sexism at all costs. The feminists may be pleased with the outcome and the army recruiters may perhaps look towards times of welcoming more female recruits.

In one of the final scenes there's a remarkable confluence of two sequences: you see two women praying out loud and you see the hardware amped-up crack rescue team very effectively shooting away at the enemy bugs with "everything they got."

It is thus suggested that the gunslinger amped-up crack-team saviours are envoys of God himself. The viewer is left with the impression that military intervention sometimes earns no less than the blessing of God, especially if there are people praying hard enough for it. The salutation to God in the movie together with the Nazi character of the good-guys combined with its success in conquering evil suggests to the viewer that a Nazi kind of society is indeed sanctioned by God. And what an insane notion that is, but the naive viewer may be unlikely to notice this.