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markko · 02-06-2008, 06:20 PM

Quote:Nephilim

Yeah. Because it's in the bible it doesn't make it true. Because legends about "giants" are in every part of the world it DOESN't make them true.
So are present legends about:
- blood drinking beings (vampires)
- fairies
- zombies
- werewolfs
- big foot, jeti and other hominoids
- etc etc
I wonder why Tsarion doesn't mention those? Really, what does he have with giants? Some fetish or something? Giants / "nephilim" are only a part of the group of many many many beings which are a part of folklore worldwide.

markko · 02-06-2008, 07:24 PM

Quote:there IS archeological evidences.

Where can I see it?
The photoshop contest entry images you mean? Those don't count.

Quote:could one of you at least LISTEN to it before WADING IN about how he's full of shit??

Yeah man I know. I would be pissed off too if people would flame before looking what it is about. I understand you. It's just MT lost credibility to me after I did some research on his "sources" and saw they are pure BS. I don't trust the guy anymore (not that I ever did) and the archeology field is the most ridicolous of his "research". So I wouldn't touch anything made by him again, especially on archeology... Maybe you understand my reaction now:)

Take care man

322 · 02-10-2008, 10:56 PM

Do not infer negative connection with everything that is deemed "occult".

Much knowledge is "occult" until it is uncovered. The very act of learning anything is to uncover something secret (occult) or otherwise not previously known. The Bible is occult. Any metaphysical text. You name it.

I observe many who automatically will condemn a researcher for his or her occult / metaphysical studies connections. How foolish. Many people who condemn other religious/spiritual views are simply limiting their mental scope and growth. Simply put, practitioners of the occult are not the enemy; it is the way the arts are used that should be subject to moral judgment.

To Christians: if Jesus did exist in the form we are sold, then he was without a doubt one of the greatest Adepts ever to walk the Earth in modern times. A great magi... ponder that. Think about where he learned to do what he did. The knowledge he must have attained.

Masons are not the enemy. Occultism -- and research into what is our innate, natural heritage -- is surely not the enemy, and will provide mankind's salvation eventually.

A New World Order is not the enemy if it is a kind and just order. Illuminates are not the enemy if they only wish to advance man and society. They are only the enemy if their ideals harm us in any way (and of course, we are at a point in time where yes, we are being harmed in many, many ways).

We need to stop categorizing people; acting in haste to judge one another sometimes causes us to miss the point of what they are trying to communicate.

markko · 02-11-2008, 01:04 AM

Quote:To Christians: if Jesus did exist in the form we are sold, then he was without a doubt one of the greatest Adepts ever to walk the Earth in modern times. A great magi... ponder that. Think about where he learned to do what he did. The knowledge he must have attained.

If Jesus existed in the form we are sold, he was GOD, not magi. And he clearly said he is greater than any of us can be, no matter how we pursuit power.

And here we are again, at the very root of occultism... The need to be someone special, enlightened and better than others, to posess power and knowledge others don't. It's a selfish, egoistic and foolish thinking, nobody is spiritually better than anybody, and will never be, no matter how hard he pushes and how many candles he lits or how many prayers he recites.

Elite are bad, because they are driven by this very principle "I am better person than you are". So are illuminati and everything connected to occult, relgion, you name it.

Bible says "we are all imperfect sinners" and I have to agree with it on that. NO world government will EVER be good for people, NO world leader will EVER rule to people's advantage, he will always look for his own ass. It's just human nature, nothing more.

LoopRadar · 02-11-2008, 01:39 AM

Interesting podcast/interview with Tsarion from "Occult of Personality" here.

LR

322 · 02-11-2008, 06:27 AM

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If Jesus existed in the form we are sold, he was GOD, not magi. And he clearly said he is greater than any of us can be, no matter how we pursuit power.

And here we are again, at the very root of occultism... The need to be someone special, enlightened and better than others, to posess power and knowledge others don't. It's a selfish, egoistic and foolish thinking, nobody is spiritually better than anybody, and will never be, no matter how hard he pushes and how many candles he lits or how many prayers he recites.

Elite are bad, because they are driven by this very principle "I am better person than you are". So are illuminati and everything connected to occult, relgion, you name it.

Bible says "we are all imperfect sinners" and I have to agree with it on that. NO world government will EVER be good for people, NO world leader will EVER rule to people's advantage, he will always look for his own ass. It's just human nature, nothing more.
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Yeah, I agree with what you have said for the most part. Some people studying the occult (I speak of Hermetic philosophy, Kabalah, etc--not the garbage one sees in movies) probably are indeed looking for a method to become more powerful than their peers...looking to feed their ego...but I do think there are people out there who are genuinely interested in learning to be more introspective and inquisitive about nature.

Some people who delve further into metaphysics / quantum physics (which is strikingly on par with Hermetics/Kabalah, etc, curriculum) beyond the superficial discover a realm alight with curiosity and learning that truly is above anything commonly taught. Just think of the mundane things we learned in grade school and college-- a bit trivial compared against the higher learning available.

What I mean to say is that proper, erudite study into serious occult metaphysics is vital to experiencing our true potential. I do not think developing closer to ones own true potential is selfish at all...on the contrary, I think it can serve to better society as a whole.

And about Jesus...was he the son of God or God himself? Jews say one thing, Christians say another...so much confusion over who this guy really was.

Also...one more thing. There is a quote from Jesus that roughly states "What I can do, you also can do." I believe he told this to a group watching him perform a miracle. Perhaps someone knows more about the passage it relates to. I need to get the proper citations but it is definitely something worth looking into...

markko · 02-11-2008, 01:28 PM

Quote:And about Jesus...was he the son of God or God himself? Jews say one thing, Christians say another...so much confusion over who this guy really was.

Impossible to say what he was. There is much debate about it. Christianity says he was son of God and God at the same time, a part of divine trinity. Jews say he was a rebel and nothing supernatural. JW's say he was archangel in flesh and blood, a God (be careful on "a" before God). Some think he never existed.
To make your own opinion there is no other way but to read bible:)

Quote:Also...one more thing. There is a quote from Jesus that roughly states "What I can do, you also can do." I believe he told this to a group watching him perform a miracle. Perhaps someone knows more about the passage it relates to. I need to get the proper citations but it is definitely something worth looking into...

Yes but he was not addressing us, but his disciples. He promised them holy spirit to help them heal sick and speak in any language they wanted, so they could easily spread faith. After the first generation, those gifts were no more. (only weird penteostals still believe in them and "speak in tongues" rubbish)

Quote:What I mean to say is that proper, erudite study into serious occult metaphysics is vital to experiencing our true potential. I do not think developing closer to ones own true potential is selfish at all...on the contrary, I think it can serve to better society as a whole.

We already have full potential which was meant for us this life. There is nothing more than can be achieved, which is not in our DNA. You are born a musical genius or you are not. That's just it. Noone can do anything to develop his spirit. Evolution of mind is sloooow procedure. Maybe 10.000 years from now people will be more advanced (as are we if we compare to homo habilis for example) but evolution will take ITS course. You can do nothing about it. And when something changes, whole species will change, slowly and surely.

Dexter · 02-16-2008, 06:07 PM

Quote:The alien genetic interference stuff is a little whacked, but not so far fetched as to be impossible. Seems to me that unless we thoroughly scour every square inch of the earth, including the ocean floors, down to a mile or 2 deep, or find some old alien bunker buried somewhere, we will probably never know if there's any hard evidence for it. The whole thing about the US raiding baghdad museums and stuff is a little suss in this regard. It could be that a big part of the ultimate reasoning behind the whole gig over there is be to find these hidden places and artifacts and cover them up.

the alien stuff is new age jive talk

Quote:I lost count of how many times he said "we want to share this information with you..." Who is we??? I thought it was just him.

One other thing in the vids struck me as odd. Can't recall exactly where in the vid he said it, but once when referring to the alien angle, he said "if you buy into this..." which struck me as bizarre since he (we?) is the one vehemently advocating it.

the "we" is probably what ever secret society he's funded by to promote their agenda

and "if you buy into this"...he's basically saying one of two things

1) a Fruedian slip...he accidentally exposed the hoax he as promoting...he's trying to throw an attractive sales pitch at people susceptible to new age disinformation. and everything up until the Fruedian slip, was him trying to get you to "buy into" his lie

2) him basically saying..."i dont even believe this crap myself, but if you like it...then here's me talking about if it makes you happy...just as long as you continue to buy my DVDs and make me rich, I'll $ay whatever my market want$"

02-16-2008, 06:16 PM

Quote:the alien stuff is new age jive talk

who are ya? the frikking beegees? You dont know whether thats true or not. you should use IMO more IMO

hehe

Dexter · 02-16-2008, 07:43 PM

Quote:who are ya? the frikking beegees? You dont know whether thats true or not. you should use IMO more IMO

hehe

have you seen an alien?

02-16-2008, 08:37 PM

that's not the point - you were STATING that something such doesnt exist as if it were incontravertable FACT. I was pointing out that it is an opinion.

markko · 02-16-2008, 10:22 PM

The flying teapots orbiting between mercury and sun don't exist. And I'm sure of it.:D
Nor does pink elephant.

02-16-2008, 10:24 PM

Quote:The flying teapots orbiting between mercury and sun don't exist. And I'm sure of it.:D
Nor does pink elephant.

ha ha very funny. are you bill hicks in disguise?

markko · 02-16-2008, 10:51 PM

In fact it's not funny. Think about it.

You never seen pink elephant. Pink elephant does not exist.
You never seen an alien. It's safe to assume it doesn't exist.

As long as there is no hard evidence, it must be assumed things don't exist, else I can imagine a yellow flying koala now, and argue it exists... Ha! You can't prove I'm wrong. It's only your opinion...
And as far as I know, there are no hard facts about "alien visitation and genetic manipulation" as Tsarion calls it yet. Should the facts prove the thesis, I will gladly change my mind.

markko · 02-16-2008, 11:21 PM

Hehe it's true even empirical reasoning is subjective to some degree... But the point I was trying to make is: Where do we get, if we accept any theory some crackpot comes up with as possible?
It's best to assume everything not backed up by valid evidence is false; we will be right most of the time contrary to accepting just any theory we hear.

Alien visitation is a nice idea, but not backed up by any evidence (YET), only by stories of various people... And stories are not valid information. You have people who claim they have seen vampires, unicorns, jeti, bigfoot, flying beds, demons, you name it.

Quite contrary, there is some evidence of UFO's, but it's very important to notice: UFO does not equal ALIENS!

take care