Micheal Tsarion exposed - he's a chosen occultist that is forming NWO religion

[Dexter]

Quote:Man, the internet gossip spreads like wildfire!

Tsarion is trying to seperate people into those who are believers of a God bigger than themselves and those who dont. And look he is very succesful at this.
I think a third of what he says is very accurate. I am thankful for seeing his presentations.

It could be possible that pushing the alien story is a diversion from people getting angry or seeing those gangsters who are really running this world. I dont rule out aliens or UFO tho but all this sons of serpents and DNA from another planet.

The weapons of mass deception is the best thing you can watch.
Try to see the message and the messanger as different things and resist from the NWO induced device of prejudging people into groups.
They love divide and rule.

i hope you can see why i bold/underlined those points of your post

if the NWO divides to rule...then Tsarion fits the bill by your description of him

[deathstickboy]

Quote:So the truth finally comes out. Tsarion appears to be a wolf in the sheep's clothing. He's peddling bullshit and wants to create a new, NWO backed, religion.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2...44046&hl=en

http://conspiracyclothes.com/nowheretorun/

http://illusionsforum.net/phpbb3/viewtopic...?f=45&t=998

The basis of that reasoning is formulated on belief in the bible, and that "jesus is the only way" so why are you buying into it, Mr. Material Fundamentalist "Rational" Atheist guy?

Tsarion isn't promoting any religion in particular, and much of what he says is directly at odds with common "New Age" philosophies.

You'd have to have your head up your own ass, or not understand the difference between occultism and "new age" not to see that.
Either that, or never read what he has written.

I personally don't care for him as a researcher, as I have found many things I think are mistakes, but I fail to see how he is "creating a religion" of any sort.
Having "cultish" followers doesn't count, because every NWO researcher develops a following like that it seems, and lets face it, the (pick a flavor) Christian ones are always the most fanatic.
Prison Planet forums anyone?

"Mystery Schools" are not religions, and when conducted over the 'net for a certain amount of $$$, I'd hesitate to call it a Mystery School at all. More like a money making operation. :smile:

Long ago, I decided, fuck all these people. Do your own research, forget about trying to buy your way into knowledge and understanding.
One thing I liked about Tsarion, is his sources. Read them yourself rather than relying on his quotes and interpretations, it will probly be more interesting.

[Dexter]

Quote:Tsarion isn't promoting any religion in particular, and much of what he says is directly at odds with common "New Age" philosophies.

There are so many different aspects of “new age” that it’s easy to find a new-ager at odds with other aspects of its philosophies. It's quite the norm actually.

Quote:You'd have to have your head up your own ass, or not understand the difference between occultism and "new age" not to see that.
Either that, or never read what he has written.

You got to admit, that much of the resurgence of the occultism does have “new-age” connotations…and if you take it just one step further, or just admit to see the bigger picture, it’s apparent that it’s part of the overall agenda. Trust me, I know how aggravating it is to have Christians bash any spiritual belief other than Christianity...but let's not allow this to divert attention from "the elite's" plans.

Quote:I personally don't care for him as a researcher, as I have found many things I think are mistakes, but I fail to see how he is "creating a religion" of any sort.

Tsarion is a Rosicrucian. Look at this quote from Max Heindel, a Rosicrucian occultist/new-ager

“New religions (new-age movements), however, are not revealed in their fullness at the beginning; they are started and go through a period of gestation long before the religion which they are to succeed ends its material existence, and similarly, and ancient religion about to be abrogated survives along after the religion which succeeds it has become the official source of upliftment for humanity.” (from book: The Message of the Stars)

What you see with the New-Age movement now is the gestation period that Heindel was talking about. It’s currently a multifaceted collection of spiritual beliefs from the past, and a few new ones…but the point is that it’s forming into a new religion...reincarnating the old age into the next. When we see the future’s equivalent to the council of Nicaea, we’ll then see the new religion formed. And it doesn't all revolve around Tsarion; he's just one of many people bringing this agenda to fruition.

[deathstickboy]

Quote:There are so many different aspects of “new age” that it’s easy to find a new-ager at odds with other aspects of its philosophies. It's quite the norm actually.

Not really, unless you are going to start painting with a wide brush out of ignorance.
What is your criteria for "new age"?
Can you cite an example of his promotion of "new age religion"?

Quote:You got to admit, that much of the resurgence of the occultism does have “new-age” connotations…and if you take it just one step further, or just admit to see the bigger picture, it’s apparent that it’s part of the overall agenda. Trust me, I know how aggravating it is to have Christians bash any spiritual belief other than Christianity...but let's not allow this to divert attention from "the elite's" plans.

Of course its part of a larger agenda, however, "new age philosophy/religion" is not the same as occultism, or the study of occultism. I can point to direct examples of this, like for example the Raelians, who promote Alien Gods, genetic engineering, and so on, and are organized as a religion. Its hard to do the same for Tsarion.
You can hardly blame the symptoms of humanity which plague the conspiracy research communities, like guru worship and the rest of it, on any one of the figureheads. They all suffer/profit from it.
:laugh:
Humans are cultish. Its a sad fact.

Can you point out something specific then? The justifications used by Christians, ie, the promotion of Tarot Cards and Astrology hardly count. I guess the only way to know for sure is to join his online "mystery school" :rolleyes: :laugh:
He supports alien intervention in terms of earths past history, while he doesn't actually tell people to "worship aliens" that is enough for a creationist to say he does.

Quote:Tsarion is a Rosicrucian.

He has associates who are Rosicrucian. If he actually is, he isn't admitting it. Unless he has recently.
Otherwise you are just quoting hearsay as if its a fact.

Quote:Look at this quote from Max Heindel, a Rosicrucian occultist/new-ager

I'm familiar with the basic philosophies of Rosicrucianist view on mystery schools and their place among them.

Quote:What you see with the New-Age movement now is the gestation period that Heindel was talking about. It’s currently a multifaceted collection of spiritual beliefs from the past, and a few new ones…but the point is that it’s forming into a new religion...reincarnating the old age into the next.

Just like what happened with Christianity?
Tell that to Chris White. :laugh:

Quote:When we see the future’s equivalent to the council of Nicaea, we’ll then see the new religion formed.

IMO, they already have it somewhere between the Raelians and the Matreyia cults. You should check those out. :wink:

Quote:And it doesn't all revolve around Tsarion; he's just one of many people bringing this agenda to fruition.

I'm not sold on that idea, personally I think he is most likely just another guy trying to make a buck, the only way his material sells a "NWO agenda" is if you believe the ultimate aim of the NWO is to destroy Christianity, because "Christianity is the Truth", rather than because a "new age" calls for a "new religion" with which to manipulate and oppress people. If you take the latter view, he actually educates people on that aspect.

Have you ever considered, that 9/11 truth and such could also be part of that agenda, and that our efforts to "wake people up" could make us useful idiots?

[Dexter]

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Quote:There are so many different aspects of “new age” that it’s easy to find a new-ager at odds with other aspects of its philosophies. It's quite the norm actually.

Not really, unless you are going to start painting with a wide brush out of ignorance.
What is your criteria for "new age"?
Can you cite an example of his promotion of "new age religion"?

It’s usually really flaky stuff. And if the practice is old and by itself, I wouldn’t really consider it new-age.

But when you get a bundle of say…something like past-lives, astrology, psychic readings, tarot, reiki, magic crystals, divination, alien communication, channeling, aura cleansing or whatever it is, and a whole bunch of other fluffy like it all wrapped up in one big package; like what I find his this free “Wisdom” catalog—which is clearly new age without a doubt—that gets delivered to my local grocery stores and library every month.

Tsarion has basically taken a bundle of old practices turned new age fades; and vehemently denied the new ageiness of it to convince people of its legitimacy…but what new age person doesn’t do this these days?

Plus, I’m beginning to see much of those topics get fused with science these days…or well claim that it’s scientifically based and they use things like “What the Bleep” to justify it.

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Quote:You got to admit, that much of the resurgence of the occultism does have “new-age” connotations…and if you take it just one step further, or just admit to see the bigger picture, it’s apparent that it’s part of the overall agenda. Trust me, I know how aggravating it is to have Christians bash any spiritual belief other than Christianity...but let's not allow this to divert attention from "the elite's" plans.

Of course its part of a larger agenda, however, "new age philosophy/religion" is not the same as occultism, or the study of occultism. I can point to direct examples of this, like for example the Raelians, who promote Alien Gods, genetic engineering, and so on, and are organized as a religion. Its hard to do the same for Tsarion.
You can hardly blame the symptoms of humanity which plague the conspiracy research communities, like guru worship and the rest of it, on any one of the figureheads. They all suffer/profit from it.
:laugh:
Humans are cultish. Its a sad fact.
Can you point out something specific then? The justifications used by Christians, ie, the promotion of Tarot Cards and Astrology hardly count. I guess the only way to know for sure is to join his online "mystery school" :rolleyes: :laugh:
He supports alien intervention in terms of earths past history, while he doesn't actually tell people to "worship aliens" that is enough for a creationist to say he does.

Can you deny his online mystery school as being something other than a proto or wannabe cult?

And spiritual movements that become too large to be called “cults” achieve a new title…and that's called “religion”

Plus, he used to lament about the dominance of the saturnian and solar cults…and would basically apologize for stellar and lunar cults as if they’ve been wrong and that the worlds problem wouldn’t exists if they weren’t suppressed.

And like I said before, I don’t even think that Tsarion’s primary goal is to start a religion under himself…but I think his new ageiness is clearly evident and that the new age movement is part of the elite’s agenda of culture change. Tsarion’s just fanning the flame.

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Quote:Tsarion is a Rosicrucian.

He has associates who are Rosicrucian. If he actually is, he isn't admitting it. Unless he has recently.
Otherwise you are just quoting hearsay as if its a fact.

I remember one of his oldest interviews on c2c with George Noory. At one point he was talking about them and he mentioned that he was, “a long time student of the mystery schools.” Then I checked out his bio, and one of the 3 mystery schools listed is the Rosicrucian Order. And even on another one of his bios, he had the Rosicrucian banner at the top of his page.

http://www.alt-wereld.nl/site/images/rosicrucian.gif
http://web.archive.org/web/20060224053719/...sismichael.html

One of the aspects of the elite in ancient times, was that they were sent to study at various mysteries school for their education. The Greek aristocracy and philosopher’s did this for example, like studying in Egypt and in India and their mysteries. Tsarion who claims to come from, a long line of Brahmins and Aryans and philosopher’s appears to have been groomed for these types of things since he was 11, and was given the mission to bring the tarot bundle to the world.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...8567164744

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Quote:What you see with the New-Age movement now is the gestation period that Heindel was talking about. It’s currently a multifaceted collection of spiritual beliefs from the past, and a few new ones…but the point is that it’s forming into a new religion...reincarnating the old age into the next.

Just like what happened with Christianity?
Tell that to Chris White. :laugh:

Quote:When we see the future’s equivalent to the council of Nicaea, we’ll then see the new religion formed.

IMO, they already have it somewhere between the Raelians and the Matreyia cults. You should check those out. :wink:

Quote:And it doesn't all revolve around Tsarion; he's just one of many people bringing this agenda to fruition.

I'm not sold on that idea, personally I think he is most likely just another guy trying to make a buck, the only way his material sells a "NWO agenda" is if you believe the ultimate aim of the NWO is to destroy Christianity, because "Christianity is the Truth", rather than because a "new age" calls for a "new religion" with which to manipulate and oppress people. If you take the latter view, he actually educates people on that aspect.

lol. I know this would probably piss off a lot of Christians, but I don’t feel that it’s necessary to be candid about what’s really going on here.

Christianity was the new age movement of the Age of Aries. If you’ve read the book the Gnostic Gospels, you’d find that Christianity was incredibly eclectic in nature in its early days; kinda like the new age is today…so many different sects believing different interpretations of what they thought Jesus was. It wasn’t until Rome stepped in and filtered it and enforced their version as an imperial religion...and the Protestants basically derive the majority of their rhetoric from them too. So yeah, the Raelians and Matreyia cults may be germinating…but they’re not full blow religions enforced on the public yet.

I think the point of having so many different new age practices; it’s like a sifting through process. They bring out a shit load of successful religious/spiritual practices that may have worked well in the past, and they bring them to the forefront, in order to see what people gravitate towards more…and when things have reached a saturation point, they’ll probably initiate a new mass religion…and the masses will eat it all up because the masses are kinda dumb unfortunately.

“…the Atlantean Epoch. This is also divisible into three distinct periods, namely: the Aryan Age, from Moses to Christ, which comes under Aries-Libra; the Piscean Age, which takes in the last two thousand years under Pisces-Virgo Catholicism; and the two thousand years which are ahead of us, called the Aquarian Age, where the signs Aquarius and Leo will be illuminated and vivified by the solar precession, for the upliftment of the Son of Man (Aquarius), by the Christ within, the Lion of Judah (Leo), to the estate of Superman.” – Max Heindel (The Message of the Stars)

“…the proficiency we attained in former ages, and therefore it is extremely probable that this present is the last lap, that the coming Aquarian Age is the final preparatory school day which will fit us for the new age, the Sixth Epoch” - ibid

Why to you think Tsarion is so obsessed with talking about Atlantis, Aryans, astrology, astro-theology, Ages, Aquarius, etc? All this stuff comes out of the Rosicrucian/Theosophic play book...they're basically telling people they control mass religions through the ages.

But overall, I’m willing to bet that the new religion is probably gonna end up being a type of scientific-mysticism revolving around nature worship IMO.

[Dexter]

Quote:Have you ever considered, that 9/11 truth and such could also be part of that agenda, and that our efforts to "wake people up" could make us useful idiots?

Yeah, I’ve been thinking about that somewhat myself.

Especially these days with things like the internet…it’s difficult for the elite to keep everything secret. So they’ll find subject who expose their truth, and then fill it with a bunch of disinformation and whatnot.

I’m utterly convinced that any type of mass movement is controlled or will be controlled eventually by the powers that be. The conspiracy movement has been infiltrated; I see signs of this everywhere...unfortunately.

[SerialExpLain]

When you look at everything that has ever been introduced on the internet for example, it is obvious to me that we are now moving in a world that really does remind me of an old RPG called TORG, the possibility wars. Or what the Tower of Babel degenerates to as illustration?

Read this wiki:eyebrow:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_Babel

I would never trust anything coming from a monopolistic vantage point. And ask therein all the possibilities lies WHAT?

Mark of the Beast: Hand and head?....who said that had to be digital? You don't need a digital angel when everyone is into "firing the grid" and opening for that promise of DMT. Hmmm.... understanding synaptic firing can demystify that process. But the changing of the laws of time and space and Novelty Theory I thoroughly believe in and are obviously underway.

I think at this point keeping things simple and in the moment and sealed is wherein sanity will prevail because many groups of people have spent aeons (no pun) and how many billions financing the big production.

[nataraja]

when somone falls into this pool of information we call the truth movement be it an aj documentry or a david icke book that first grabs them.

I personally was introduced by AJ and david icke to this sort of information, and i can honestly say ive never bought into all of david ickes stuff, although i did find some of things he put across as extremly interesting. To say people are co-intel-pros is a bit of a conspiracy attitude imo, for me they are more just pushing what they think is the truth, and exploiting the truth movement in some cases as well. Their intentions might not be as nice as you want, but atleast they get people aware of this unconventional information, and aj and david icke and tsarion have "woke up" more people than i probaly ever will. Yea its easy to judge, and for some its enjoyable to jump on the internet little band wagons of cult following conspiracy finger pointing.

the difference between the sheep and the people with character are the ones that keep their skepticism and common sense throughout.

its difficult to remain open minded in a web of mis and dis information, i cant say im open minded cause i dont give certain topics as much of a chance as i should, as i feel they will waste my time. ive had 3 dvds of tsarions for around 2 years now i think, i have watched one for about 1 hour and never opened them again. not the i didnt find the information interesting, i just didnt feel that it would benefit me.

if you fall into the conspiracy mindset and jump on everything without giving it much thought, like the people on godlikeproductions then imo are no better than the sheep we love to hate.

we should make a name for them, how about.... conspiracy sheep ? (just kidding)

when i stand by the theory that history is hearsay, all this talk of the past becomes largely irrelevant to the present.

[nataraja]

fucking symbology, MAKES ME FUCKING ANGRY!!

people thinking they are clever when they know or find it...

what a fucking waste of time!!!

an entire thread about this little picture here and that little picture there so now he must be this or that...

FUCK!

whatever thats all for today!

[earthling]

I suppose Joseph Cambell was an evil occultist as well? Some individuals study history and comparitive mythology by digesting as many books as possible. Ten years ago the archive of information on the internet was just beginning to form. I was reading as much as I could for ten years before that. It is difficult to find the time today, but you have to make an attempt. When you start looking at the texts from the turn of the last century you start to realize that we have been stagnant or worse, even regressing, in the free exchange of ideas and the level of scholarship and vocabulary of the average person. The academic system in america has been all to successful in destroying our innate intelligence and skepticism. Every discipline you can think of has pretty much floundered in it's own feces for a century. All of our cherished topic matter was discussed a long time ago. Thus true scholars will make their contribution while pointing you to their sources of information. Jordan Maxwell and Michael Tsarion do not need any defense. When you have read a few thousand books you will have the right to question their motives and research. As I said these basic philosophical arguments should have been laid to rest so long ago. The depression, two world wars, more wars, a corrupt acedemia ect., have been instramental in this program of turning us into spoon-fed serfs who can't see the forest for the trees. We have all decided that enough is enough and that is why we are here at concen attempting to fathom the truth of how we came to be a part of this world. Know Thyself and be thankful and reverent to the awakening that is obvious to see. Our legal and economic systems and those that pull the strings are our chains that bind. Let's build bridges and have a united front. Most occult scholars know christianity in a way that the common christian is never able to experience. This reverence for all spiritual traditions is what motivated many of them. We know who the enemy is so stay positive and focus. Blessed be and love...

[LeveL]

I haven't read any of this thread but as with anyone - Tsarion isn't gonna escape the kinda skeptisizm members here always have, which is a good thing. If we arn't questioning the "truth tellers" then what the fuck are we even bothering for.

I can't say if Tsarion is making the stuff up he says because, I have not researched it my entire life like he claims he has, and incidentaly I have no reason to think he is making that up since he seems knowledgeable enough about the stuff he talks about.

I am not trying to attack the guy here but this is what I find most strange about Tsarion - when he is doing an interview and the host brings up some point like "monsters lived in 1500AD" or whatever Tsarion, every time and I mean EVERY time just agrees! You could say "Hmmmm Michael what about the moon being made of cheese?" and I bet he would AGREE. He always fucking agrees, thats what I think is damn strange, you gotta really be careful with this guy I think. I only say that from having a feeling about him but, my instincts arn't too bad, I can normally sense when something isn't quite right.

Why would a guest agree ALL THE TIME with the host? Its just weird, its not natural.

[horseonwheels]

Quote:I don’t think a lot of people, who consider themselves as conspiracy researchers, fully understand just how infiltrated the “conspiracy movement” is...or any mass movement for that matter (it's all about mass manipulation here folks). And if there's any mass group functioning, they probably have funded agents within.

absolutely. But there is something else at work here we altso cannot ignore. The "special interrests" factor. Where groups of special interrests , be they financial or spiritual, are pulling information in each their direction. The most obvious special interrests group are neonazis, but next to them and without making any compare whatsoever are muslims, christians and the cash cow newage networks.

I think you all heard the story about the founder of McD being satanist, and their burgers being sprayed with blood and what not. Well it shows that it was rumours started by people working in an MultiLevelMarketing scam. I other words, a special interrest group slipped this one into our information matrix where i have seen it surface several times.

The information we have avaible is dependent on fairly objective and impartial interpretation, but these are constantly under attack by these fucking special interrests. And i dont belive it is just out of dishonesty on most these peoples part, but the very opposite. They are motivated to help along each their own agenda which is nothing but "The truth of everything", so how could they do anything but to help it along by any means neccesery, even if it means strecthing and bending facts.

Im sick and tired of it to be honest, one have to be on the lookout all the time. The short version is that you can be damn sure that there are paid agents working on this loosely defined group of "anti socials" (thats our real product number), and special interrests from within, and that its comming from honest well meaning people makes it all the worse.

and you can be damn sure that Tsarion is a snakeoil salesman, who hitched a ride, just like guru Icke. When the spiritual humbug did not attract listeners, they found an audience that will eat just about anything served by a fairly intelligent, well articulated and humorous fertilizer salesman.

A sidenote, have you seen how rampant MLM's are in our "movement"??? keep an eye out folks, special interrests, especially on health issues are running rampant. The shit people are being told, and sold, under the guise of the evil FDA, Health official whateever......Tsarion is selling personal space calenders! BAH humbug!

[Dexter]

yup, that's a nice summarization Horseonwheels

totally agree :cool: