Poll: Should we stop the illegal Mexican invasion, and kick those over 10 million illegal Mexicans out?

Konev · 01-18-2008, 11:27 AM

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Quote:This is just another humanitarian issue that will be exploited by the elite for their benefit.

Of course I could give a fuck about Americans' selfish desire to restrict the disposable, excessive, hedonistic, disgusting American lifestyle to "natural" US citizens. The US has a disgusting immigration policy while the "Mother of Exiles," the actual name of the fucking Statue of Liberty says:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me..."

And fucking pompous, racist, xenophobic, selfish, greedy, dispassionate, ignorant fucking Americans want to say, "Stay in your shit country."

Now, that's not to say there isn't a danger to "natural" Americans, but so is the course of the world. What right do we have to abundance? What right do we have to resources pillaged from the rest of the world?

Everyone deserves a chance in life for themselves and their family.

Let the Mexicans come in if they want. Fuck borders, fuck nations. America needs to be replaced anyway, let the rotted-out, gilded nation fall.

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Americans, of European ancestry, have built the country, and they alone did it. They have defended it and earned it; so it's theirs. In addition, it was we white Europeans who created the Western Civilization and the vast majority of the greatest inventions and advanced technology there is, and we brought it with us into the Norht America, Africa and Asia. And we also gave our scientific and technological achievements to other races. We have improved this world more than any other race. That's why, among many other reasons, we have the right to live among us in Europe and America and have our resources. Besides, not one non-white nation would want us in, so why should we want them?

Do you think Japan has a right to maintain its' strict immigration policy? Japan does not allow Koreans or other non-Japanese to immigrate on massive scale, not illegally nor legally. Japanese want to maintain Japan as Japanese. Also, Mexico has a very strict immigration policy and they dont allow all those poor people to come in from the Latin America.

What if whites were invading Mexico? What if over 10 million whites had come into Mexico illegally, declaring to be loyal to America first and demanding English as official language. Do you think that Mexicans would just embrace the whites and dance happily with them in a multicultural bliss?

The US is the only country on earth, that has this lunatic policy of immigration, illegal and legal. No other country has it. The Mexicans are seeing this lunacy in America, how the US government and how the majority of the white population has lost its' will (because of the media propaganda) and are just taking advantage of this crazy situation and pouring in and invading the country. This is a crime.

Europeans or whites or Americans who consider themselves as the only true American and not African American, Mexican American, or other people as HALF American while whites consider the continent of america as all theirs...Please.....Europeans did not do it alone to build this nation...first of all....people, native people as Mexicans which is an Indigenous name having root to this continent, mexico on turtle island helped with the invasion, subjugation, enslavement, genocide of other tribal nations in the name of European GOLD, GOD, and Glory. Mexicans as Indigenous People have more right to America than Europeans or the so called pure, clean, and honorable white made up label. Like it or not...what you claim is just mimicking george bush and his nazi party and his grandpa Hitler.....its all mine because I'm white and we did it all alone...what you have right now...white privilege, feel good superiority is because of genocide, murder, rape, lynching, no honor, no shame, and simply some type of whore bitch thats stolen almost everthing and wants to continue through the New world order...

that same attitude benefits the white, please stop calling yourselves whites...sounds like some kind of crazy lunatic hitler idea...think for yourself dont let the secret government, the bankers, the NWO, the White Racists, the Fearful, the capatalist, the dis-honorable, the demon, and all those white political trash in the white house control your mind...remember...America is not a nation that has earned all that so called whites claim as theirs...ITS AN EMPIRE....EMPIRE.... a racist capatalist empire that thrives on ignorance, fear, genocide, hypocrisy, no shame. ITS THE MONSTERS WHO BENEFIT...ARE YOU A MONSTER? Mexicans full right to the American continent but yet are treated as of from another planet with the word ALIEN. Mexicas have been here and will be here until the white nazis destroy the world as it is happening right now through european white racist ways....Indigenous as Mexicans understand balance, respect, honor, keeping their word but the white nation has invaded their mind making them an imperfect being and attacking them for not being as perfect as the white mentality.....jesus christ....its a sick nightmare mentality in the so called white american land...

Jews want the New World Order.

"Europeans did not do it alone to build this nation..."
I'm talking about 1700's, 1800's and 1900's when this nation was truly built by white Europeans by far the greatest part.

"stop calling yourselves whites...sounds like some kind of crazy lunatic hitler idea..."
Sounds to me a lunatic, self hating, brainwash mindset. But if blacks call themselves blacks and Asians call themselves Asians, that's not a lunatic hitler idea? If native Americans call themselves for what they are, isnt that a lunatic idea too? Whites are whites and they should call themselves what they are, just as everybody else should.

"european white racist ways"
Well, pretty much all other races, especially non-white nations, are racists, but we cannot be, because you want to come in (assuming that you are a Mexican)? But of course we cant come into your country because you can be racists and hate us (assuming that is Mexico). Is that fair? Should we just bow down and let everyone to come in and rob, rape, beat and force us to move away? We shouldnt defend us? This seems to be the popular view!

"ARE YOU A MONSTER?"
Mm-hmm... NO.

"America is not a nation that has earned all that so called whites claim as theirs...ITS AN EMPIRE....EMPIRE.... "
Whites have earned North America as their nation, and so have also the blacks who were former slaves. But you are right, America is an empire that has no business in controlling all other nations in the world. It should not intervene into other world's issues.

Konev · 01-18-2008, 11:38 AM

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Quote:Bush Administration Endorses Mexican Invasion and Conquest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1RqLTDoFUk

"Two thirds of Mexicans think that they have a God given right to cross into the United States."

wrong again...they believe in a god...but not the way the europeans think it as in Manifest Desitny which clearly states that it is their god given right to take what ever they feel like taking...George Bush and the old mentality of a twisted brain.

And europeans acquired technology from other civilizations and worked with it, not they invented it, they took it and assimilated to it. Many nations dont need european technology or your feel good superiority...Indigenous people as other civilizations had all the advancement needed to thrive...The Maya have the most perfect calendar of the world to this point....

But again...you are using hypocrisy and fear, not mention using old style rhetoric europeans have used on other people and switch the picture to benefit them again....like george bush and all these nazi white trash the thrive like cockroaches on lies, deceit, twisted history, and have no shame of it all.....so much for good european honor.....makes you sick, but I dont blame no one....ignorance is simply blind..but we do have to defend the honor of those people who can't speak for themselves because a demon has chosen an imposed plan based on lies, deceit, feel good superiority, and the new world order....have to remember. empires only survive because of tolerance of other people...take that away...and empire will cease to exist....

"wrong again...they believe in a god...but not the way the europeans think"
So what? The point was that about 60% of them think that they have a right to enter into the US.

I was talking about the greatest modern inventions and scientific discoveries, not some 500-1000 years old ideas. For example, electricity, train, car, telephone, airplane, rocket, TV and computer - all invented by whites. Edison, Newton, Wright brothers, von Braun, Tesla, and the vast majority of other great inventors were all white . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_inventors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_inv...th_century
Africa, Asia and Americas had nothing of these before whites brought them with them. So we werent all bad!

"twisted history"
What do you call this then:
"whites were the devil incarnate who killed and oppressed everyone, they did nothing good, they were guilty of everything, all other non-whites were good, whites were bad, whites should feel guilty for EVERYTHING, they should go back to Europe"
This is accurate and unbiased history?????

Konev · 01-18-2008, 12:03 PM

I repeat, all of these pro-Mexican arguments were refuted by Jared Taylor when he was debating a Mexican:
http://www.amren.com/interviews/torretaylor.mp3

Konev · 01-18-2008, 07:42 PM

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Quote:If we have to have some compassion, then lets help them abroad. For example in Africa, first the corruption in the African nations has to be wiped out and the population growth has to be stopped by means of force if nothing else works. Then we should just send some aid there and leave them alone.

Population growth in africa should be halted by force? what were you thinking of? Aids? or perhaps sending in the finnish snipers?
"Send some aid in leave them alone". yeah stop taking the cocoa and coltan etc.too, o0h but european countries 'need' these commodities! Aid id not what is needed. cancellation of the debt might help. y'racist.

Maybe one child policy, or in the extreme case forced sterilization, for example. That is, if nothing else works, as I already mentioned.

In 1970, according to Spectrum encyclopedia, there were 300 million people in Africa. In 2000 there are about 1 billion. In 2050 it is estimated by UN that there will be about 1,7 billion. This tremendous growth is impossible to maintain. The problem is that it is in the African cultures (or even in their genes) to have numerous wives and too numerous children, so it is unlikely that the Africans willingly or effectively start to make fewer children. If Africans do not willingly start to reduce their population growth, then it would seem a suitable idea to somehow pressure them or force them to do it. Otherwise they keep starving, no matter how much aid is sent there. I think it is an inevitable act, that in the long run will improve living conditions in Africa. Besides, this earth cannot sustain endless numbers of people. In 2050 it is estimated that the world population will already reach 9 billion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population).

Cancellation of the debt alone is not enough, the population growth has to stop. Your suggestion (that I was aware of), is an important factor also, but it would not be enough, because of the corruption and the population growth.

The biggest problem in Africa (as I have already mentioned) is definetely the population growth, and other problems are the corruption and of course the IMF's and World Bank's loans, that propably should be eased or cancelled. All of these have to be dealt with, no matter what. Otherwise people there keeps starving, as it already does, and eventually it will lead into an even bigger disaster.

"y'racist"? Oh, you meant: you are a racist. Well I dont hate other non-white races, but I guess this racist label can be applied to anyone who even speaks of the races, racial differences, different histories of the different races, interests of Europeans and interracial crime - so if I'm a racist based on these, then that is the case (whatever). If I would care about these labels, I would not even talk about these things, just as the majority of you people. However, I feel that these things are important, so I will discuss them. The main reason why I do talk about these things is the quote I cited at the beginning:
"[...] no one simply says: Europeans are not going to benefit from this, as a group. That we are giving up control of our country to other peoples. That there is a huge problem with this. That when you are a minority group you'd better hope that the other groups in society are nice to you. Well we Europeans should be concerned what our future will be as a minority group. And we will then be at the whim of coalitions that may have very hostile intents towards us. That we will lose control of our own future. That's the issue here! It's as simple as that. But even raising European ethnic's interests is a deep big taboo, of this period right now. We cant even raise the possibility that Europeans have ethnic interests. It's a taboo topic... And yet everybody else has ethnic interests! Which are legitimate."

And the racist label is quite ridiculous anyway, because it would make almost all of the people in past racists. And the vast majority of non-white races could also be described as racists. There are races that have differences, have different interests and prefer the company of their own race, so why not recognise these facts?

I guess a great part of the Finnish population (where I live as you already seemed to know that) could be described as racist, or at least xenophobic. We have not yet been completely brainwashed into this idea of "multicultural bliss". We in Finland plan our immigration policy in line with our national interests. But I guess that could be considered racist as well?

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Quote:Whites have actually been the best people in history. And since the justice system of today was also created by whites I think we should be the first ones to be the judges.

what does "first" mean. surely you meant "only" by the inferrence of your statement. I am from britain and the idea to me of every judge being white is frightening. your statement is disgusting.

Well it was just a counter to "we should be the last ones to judge". Some important facts and opinions are disgusting. Should we just talk about those nice things? Should we censor all the "bad facts"? Or why not make it even illegal to say them?

mexika · 01-19-2008, 02:38 AM

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Quote:The crux of the issue is this: they are all criminals. We dont even know whether there are terrorists among them. There could be thousands of terrorists, murderers, rapists and other criminals among them. When they have chosen to enter the US illegally, they are all criminals. And what is going on is that the country of Mexico has declared a war against US, using migratory tactics. This is an illegal Mexican invasion, and it has to stop. And those illegal over 10 million criminals have to be thrown out.

Legal immigration is another thing, but it should be lowered significantly: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...7128068265

Ok fine. Than Europeans who came from Europe 515 years ago as invaders....if you want to pursue and label people as criminals, rapist, and what not...than I can provide a very good example of of invaders, criminals, rapist, murders, and all that if not those same people who are screaming like crazy chickens in the present who have done all that in 1492 and onward....I think of all people...europeans or those who call themselves americans should be the last to judge..and if you are going to judge..maybe you should start packing your items and move back to europe...after all....the real criminal and illegal alien who is in America illegally is the European racists or Nazis....The american land belongs to Mexicans, Native people who have been here since as long this continent has existed....thats 30,000 or 50,000 years....the hypocrisy is great...study real history not how the victor as the invader has written to benefit them only and demonise other people as the enemy...just like george bush with irak and Iran....unbeliavable....and it continues..and the shame of it all is zero...like a capatlist animal who only thinks of itself...wake up or go back to your european home land......
Yes they were invaders, settlers and pioneers. There was no nation before the Europeans came. Native Americans were also rapists and criminals, and we got into trouble with them. And we fought them and won. What was the consequence? Well lets see, we built this great nation of the USA, once the greatest country in the world, with her great technology, cities and luxuries. And all this easy lifestyle around us is the achievement of whites. Had native Americans won, it would be a very different world, propably without any of this. Whites have actually been the best people in history. I think all the people in America who are Mexicans should pack their items and go back to Mexico. And since the justice system of today was also created by whites I think we should be the first ones to be the judges. Wake up and go back to Mexico.

keep patting yourself on the back!!!

The Mexicans had the greatest city and the most beautiful city during that time. Not even europe matched it glorious achievements. It was considered paradise in itself. It gave respect to all...but of course you would not know of that history since your idealogy of a good fellow on the planet concentrates only on how good you are....its sickening...

YES, MEXICANS HAD THE GREATEST MOST BEAUTIFUL CITY 1325-1519 AND ALL WAS ruined by some twisted european spaniards who only sought pleasure from stealing amongst other stuff..the dark ages was just that...a nightmare in europe that some people sought to escape and found paradise...now america is becoming that dark age again....

SOME AMERICANS LIVE IN SO CALLED AMERICA AND YET KNOW NOTHING OF THE HISTORY OF THIS CONTINENT BUT GLORIFY THEIR PAST WHILE TELLING OTHER PEOPLE TO FORGET THEIR PAST....THE HYPOCRISY IS JUST AMAZING..

mexika · 01-19-2008, 02:55 AM

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Quote:Bush Administration Endorses Mexican Invasion and Conquest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1RqLTDoFUk

"Two thirds of Mexicans think that they have a God given right to cross into the United States."

wrong again...they believe in a god...but not the way the europeans think it as in Manifest Desitny which clearly states that it is their god given right to take what ever they feel like taking...George Bush and the old mentality of a twisted brain.

And europeans acquired technology from other civilizations and worked with it, not they invented it, they took it and assimilated to it. Many nations dont need european technology or your feel good superiority...Indigenous people as other civilizations had all the advancement needed to thrive...The Maya have the most perfect calendar of the world to this point....

But again...you are using hypocrisy and fear, not mention using old style rhetoric europeans have used on other people and switch the picture to benefit them again....like george bush and all these nazi white trash the thrive like cockroaches on lies, deceit, twisted history, and have no shame of it all.....so much for good european honor.....makes you sick, but I dont blame no one....ignorance is simply blind..but we do have to defend the honor of those people who can't speak for themselves because a demon has chosen an imposed plan based on lies, deceit, feel good superiority, and the new world order....have to remember. empires only survive because of tolerance of other people...take that away...and empire will cease to exist....
"wrong again...they believe in a god...but not the way the europeans think"
So what? The point was that about 60% of them think that they have a right to enter into the US.

I was talking about the greatest modern inventions and scientific discoveries, not some 500-1000 years old ideas. For example, electricity, train, car, telephone, airplane, rocket, TV and computer - all invented by whites. Edison, Newton, Wright brothers, von Braun, Tesla, and the vast majority of other great inventors were all white . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_inventors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_inv...th_century
Africa, Asia and Americas had nothing of these before whites brought them with them. So we werent all bad!

"twisted history"
What do you call this then:
"whites were the devil incarnate who killed and oppressed everyone, they did nothing good, they were guilty of everything, all other non-whites were good, whites were bad, whites should feel guilty for EVERYTHING, they should go back to Europe"
This is accurate and unbiased history?????

what you consider greatest inventions might not just be what you think they are. Remember, Ancient civilizations have contributed to what some might claim as their inventions. In reference to africans and asians, they did not ask for european services. they ware quite happy as they were..but now you make it seem like they needed saving. the only reason africans and other people were enslaved was to help the wicked mentality of a european make a quick profit...and you were not bad....

that same attitude lives on you on the present....Europe is full of rivers bloody history, and from the dark ages...the same thing happend in the continent of turtle island. Native Americans saw the europeans as brothers, but your ancestors turned around and stabbed them on the back like some kind of treacherous animal. Not all were bad, but certainly a 99.9 were. You try to justify criminal activity upon arrival by saying that natives did as well...thats like saying...IRAQI WOMEN are being oppressed by their own people, so we should just liberate them....thats a very sick mentality you carry there....get out of your back guarded and get to know mexicans, native americans, and others...you could learn something...maybe teach you how to be human!!!

01-19-2008, 03:32 AM

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If we have to have some compassion, then lets help them abroad. For example in Africa, first the corruption in the African nations has to be wiped out and the population growth has to be stopped by means of force if nothing else works. Then we should just send some aid there and leave them alone.

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Population growth in africa should be halted by force? what were you thinking of? Aids? or perhaps sending in the finnish snipers?
"Send some aid in leave them alone". yeah stop taking the cocoa and coltan etc.too, o0h but european countries 'need' these commodities! Aid id not what is needed. cancellation of the debt might help. y'racist.[/quote]

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Maybe one child policy, or in the extreme case forced sterilization, for example. That is, if nothing else works, as I already mentioned.

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The hideous social consequences of one child policy in china can be evinced by the vast discrepency between the male and female population numbers in china today, not even to mention the grim realities of female foetal abortions over last few decades.

Eugenics is no better, if not terribly worse and is certainly not "just leaving them alone" by any stretch of the imagination. Sterilisation is indeed a form of eugenisism.

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In 1970, according to Spectrum encyclopedia, there were 300 million people in Africa. In 2000 there are about 1 billion. In 2050 it is estimated by UN that there will be about 1,7 billion. This tremendous growth is impossible to maintain. The problem is that it is in the African cultures (or even in their genes) to have numerous wives and too numerous children, so it is unlikely that the Africans willingly or effectively start to make fewer children. If Africans do not willingly start to reduce their population growth, then it would seem a suitable idea to somehow pressure them or force them to do it. Otherwise they keep starving, no matter how much aid is sent there. I think it is an inevitable act, that in the long run will improve living conditions in Africa. Besides, this earth cannot sustain endless numbers of people. In 2050 it is estimated that the world population will already reach 9 billion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population).

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Firstly, your own personal pseudo-anthropological theory of african birth models is IMHO ridiculous and again with the gene theory you go. I think you can safely say that the effects of high mortality rates adopted incursively into cultures far outweigh any genetic imperatives in respect to any per capita statistic of an african nation or the continent en mass. If what you said was true the population explosion would not have taken off in the last hundred's of years as it has. i.e what you are saying is patently untenable y'racist.

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Cancellation of the debt alone is not enough, the population growth has to stop. Your suggestion (that I was aware of), is an important factor also, but it would not be enough, because of the corruption and the population growth.

Monoagricultural production of such "vital" commodities as cocoa in Africa compounded by the scam that is food aid contribute greatly to what you see as an unsupportable population. A general generational raising of education levels and sustainable food access would, I contest, go much further in stabilising population growth than your notion of forced sterilisation of non-white races. pandemics aside.

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The biggest problem in Africa (as I have already mentioned) is definetely the population growth, and other problems are the corruption and of course the IMF's and World Bank's loans, that propably should be eased or cancelled. All of these have to be dealt with, no matter what. Otherwise people there keeps starving, as it already does, and eventually it will lead into an even bigger disaster.

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That population growth is the biggest problem faced is your fundamental position on this matter then?
Starvation is not resultant on overpopulation per se actually. It is also greatly governed by the perpetual banking/agri scam that is food aid. You recall the "teach a man to fish line" used by Arrested Development maybe..not. Arrested development furthered by international protocols that result in such as "developing" nations in Africa often being prevented from creating new industrial infrastructures due to "climate change". The pill is a better road than sterilisation but you need to have your own means to produce it and educate the populace unmolested by outside commodity brokers.

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"y'racist"? Oh, you meant: you are a racist. Well I dont hate other non-white races, but I guess this racist label can be applied to anyone who even speaks of the races, racial differences, different histories of the different races, interests of Europeans and interracial crime - so if I'm a racist based on these, then that is the case (whatever). If I would care about these labels, I would not even talk about these things, just as the majority of you people. However, I feel that these things are important, so I will discuss them. The main reason why I do talk about these things is the quote I cited at the beginning:
"[...] no one simply says: Europeans are not going to benefit from this, as a group. That we are giving up control of our country to other peoples. That there is a huge problem with this. That when you are a minority group you'd better hope that the other groups in society are nice to you. Well we Europeans should be concerned what our future will be as a minority group. And we will then be at the whim of coalitions that may have very hostile intents towards us. That we will lose control of our own future. That's the issue here! It's as simple as that. But even raising European ethnic's interests is a deep big taboo, of this period right now. We cant even raise the possibility that Europeans have ethnic interests. It's a taboo topic... And yet everybody else has ethnic interests! Which are legitimate."

And the racist label is quite ridiculous anyway, because it would make almost all of the people in past racists. And the vast majority of non-white races could also be described as racists. There are races that have differences, have different interests and prefer the company of their own race, so why not recognise these facts?

I guess a great part of the Finnish population (where I live as you already seemed to know that) could be described as racist, or at least xenophobic. We have not yet been completely brainwashed into this idea of "multicultural bliss". We in Finland plan our immigration policy in line with our national interests. But I guess that could be considered racist as well?

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Dont twist it . I was not referring to any taboo subjects you may think you bravely champion. I was referencing the overtly supremacist overtones in your text. The rest of it got too feverish Kon3v. The besiegement mentality may well be a throwon from the failed soviet invasion I dont know what stories your grand parents told you about the germans helping out but here in east germany there a lot of that "good night white pride" as well as the other.

You can talk about whatever the hell you want as far as I'm concerned but dont cry if someone points out your at the very least a zenophone.

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Whites have actually been the best people in history. And since the justice system of today was also created by whites I think we should be the first ones to be the judges. [/quote]

what does "first" mean. surely you meant "only" by the inferrence of your statement. I am from britain and the idea to me of every judge being white is frightening. your statement is disgusting.[/quote]

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Well it was just a counter to "we should be the last ones to judge". Some important facts and opinions are disgusting. Should we just talk about those nice things? Should we censor all the "bad facts"? Or why not make it even illegal to say them? [/quote]

Even as a so called clever linguistic counter in an internet debate it still is a dangerous sentiment. One doesnt have to subscribe to any theories of multiculturality * to realise supporting a position of racial exclusivity is latent facism( *although multi cultural societies are a reality and it is better to work out how that can work I think, than continuing to otherwise attempt to forment racial tension.)

We should talk about all and not censor "bad facts" and ertainly not illegalise speech but none of that means you're not racist.

***Shinobi*** · 01-19-2008, 04:12 AM

Wow some temperatures soaring in here
great debates going on all over
please continue....

mexika · 01-19-2008, 07:25 AM

As the saying goes..

Mexico...so close to the United Snakes of Amerikkka and so far from GOD. Unfortunately in the present the Mexican, Native American, Mexica, Inca, Maya, Apache, Navajo, Comanche, Otami, tarascan, and many other native indigenous people of what europeans call America has suffered the greatest genocide in the face of the whole world. Jews are just a little piece of death that europeans as the hitler super race took off the planet. Compare 6 to 7 million jews to 125 million indigenous people, clearly we can see the greatest genocide that happened in the world was here in what white or europeans have labeled AMERICA. There can never be justice on stolen land unless the human spirit and not the savage animal triumphs over evil mentalities of 'JUST ME'. Over all Indigenous people as Mexicans who have been demonized and displaced from their land of almost half of the United States have been victimized, put down, used and abused and even murdered point blank by a wicked racist european without any shame or signs of humanity. All because A mexican is of a different color as is the african american compared to a canadian whose skin is white and has a free open border to travel back and forth between divide and conquered European territory. Where is the self conscience or the intellectual logic by so called civilized haughty white or european people! Clearly there is none when it comes to their only self interest and not paying deserving respect to other people that look different to them and who prey on them like as if they did not matter. Who is the savage? Who was the Savage? Who is the Savage and how do you arrive as being civilized based on a rhetoric of superiority when compared to other people or even nature......? Surely white supremacy and taking all credit for white european achievement is flawed and wicked at the same time. If there is a heaven and a Hell and of course justice....what would be the percentage of europeans in hell to that of color in heaven? The greatest holocaust hapened in Amerikkka and it is happening in Africa as we speak, but not only in Africa, it is still taking place in Amerikkka and in Latina America by the CIA, skull and bone, the secret demons by a capatalist system that derived from Europe and prompted the enslavement of certain human beings to benefit the pale man.

At the present moment....some Mexicans have become enlightened...and they understand that the Vatican, Austria, France, Spain. Germany, Portugal, mainly european nations hold in their positions ancient artifacts that vindicate Mexico and Mexicans as descendants of one the greatest cultures that has ever existed on the face of the earth...The vatican holds the true mexican flag and they understand the vatican as nothing but a filthy thieves out to enslave the world based on pure and simple evil. In time, all of it will come out if racist Europeans dont wipe and murder the Mexican, African and all color people first....

Its not the Mexican who has been demonized as a cockroach by racist animals, it is the racist european as the cockroach who has no boundaries of respect towards other people of different origin...

Well, some will say....it is because they are super superior....No, that has nothing to do with it....it has to do with european lies, deceit, treachery, no shame, moral character, and respect for that which is different. People color display those qualities of character, but many europeans do not understand honor, respect, and peace.....

as the saying goes....a violent entity without respect will only die by its own sword.. it is up to the european humanistic characteristic to change or they will simply dig their own grave...

I love all races...but I show no sympathy for wickedness, oppression, or treachery!!

Peace and Harmony as my ancestors have always maintained...!!!!!
Original LandLord.

***Shinobi*** · 01-19-2008, 07:28 AM

Hey! You forgot the Aztecs man!

mexika · 01-19-2008, 08:13 AM

Quote:Hey! You forgot the Aztecs man!

THE AZTECS ARE MEXICANS!!!

THE AZTECS COME FROM SOMEWHERE FROM THE state of Utah, a place called Aztlan which means paradise in the Indigenous Aztec language. When they left Aztlan they settled in the valley of Mexico which they originally created the name as Mexico. When they got there they changed their origin name to Mexica or Mexican in spanish which means children of the earth and of the son. Paradise, children of the earth and the sun, is there any savagery in those names of origin....clearly there is a firm connection to the United States, Mexico, and other lands on turtle island which europeans or white americans claim as their own....

Its like the white Zionist Nasis claiming the Gaza Strip, Israel, and Palastine as their 'MANIFEST DESTINY GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO OWN, RULE, AND EVEN KILL IF NECESSARY' same thing in Amerikkka on a different land but same secret nazis bent on ruling the earth as a living hell for everybody. Who are these so called jews in israel but a bunch of white european cowards playing with words of the chosen people of GOD! SIMPLY AMAZING...THERE IS NO MORE HONOR ON THIS WORLD...IT IS JUST A WORD WITHOUT ANY MEANING BEHIND THE REAL DEFINITION.

it is up to us to work on ourselves of becoming better human beings and let mimicking racist rats of the white house, european genocidal maniacs, and zionist jews or anybody to declare how we should be thinking of our selfs or how to think of other people. Our priority is to become a better mind, a better entity, a better divine being, else we are destined to extermination by or so called leaders who prey on our mind every single day.

Mind you, Mexico is being run by secret societies and they are european secret societies, you just dont hear about it in the mainstream news, we know who the main stream news is...same filthy devil!!! and Yes, mexico also has zionist jews...they are the riches piece of work that side of the border...they control many aspects of the Mexican Life to enrich themselves as leeches. You see in Mexico, it is not the Mexican who rules, it is the European spaniards, Zionist Jews, and the political whores of the pale faces of the white house of the United Snakes. Mexico is being controlled by the United States. If you want to fix the Immigration issue...you start with the racist secret societies within the United states congress, leaders, and others to stop interfering with the everyday lives of the mexican....

I could go on and on....but some people have to become educated of whats really going on within the United States and Mexico. The white pale face european has always been in Mexico, they have never left and are ruling mexico behind the scenes. Mexico has the CIA, the FBI, the skull and bones and the illumanati as europeans with all hands in the business of mexican Life...

Some will say...well why doesn't the Mexican Government educate its people to be self dependent so that they dont have to come to the United States....very simple answare....

It is not convenient for the white pale faces in washington and the Mexican Secret Societies to educate the Mexican. they are one and the same... It is better to have them as a slave pool for the United States work force cleaning toilets, sweeping, kitchens, and bored security guards. There have been Mexican leaders who have shown to want to educate their people, but they have been assassinated by the CIA for economic purposes and ownership of resources in Mexico who the UNited States sees as GOLD.

Time to wake up people....we are being used and abused, pitted against each other, divided and conquered so that these filthy devils can get fat on gold. Basically we are being used by the devil.

The word Mexican came from the Aztecs, they changed their name. So what you have right now as Mexicans are really descendants of the Aztecs, and other tribal nations as the Toltecs, the Maya, the Mixteco, and others who demonstrated great artistic talents, culture, engineering, astronomy, poetry, dance, medicine, art, and other specialties. But now, as the native american, the Mexican are under attack since 1492 to exterminate them and be-little them....thats because the invader understands who they are and it bothers them to see any native of turtle island as a reminder that the only truly illegal alien IS THE EUROPEAN OR DESCENDANTS OF THE EUROPEANS and that the land they walk on is not theirs and uses lies, deceit, and other means to acquire ownership. Some hate the RED MAN with extreme prejudice because it reminds them that they are not the original landlords as Israel does to Palestine. The RED Man is also Mexican, unless they call themselves Hispanic or Latino...than they are european and not Mexican. But Mexica or Mexican is of Indigenous Red Path or of the RED ROAD as in the phrase Xicano which is Mexicano.

01-19-2008, 01:17 PM

Quote:As the saying goes..

Its not [that]the Mexican who has been demonized as a cockroach by racist animals, it is the racist european [is]as the cockroach who has no boundaries of respect towards other people of different origin...

Well, some will say....it is because they are super superior....No, that has nothing to do with it....it has to do with european lies, deceit, treachery, no shame, moral character, and respect for that which is different. People color display those qualities of character, but many europeans do not understand honor, respect, and peace.....

as the saying goes....a violent entity without respect will only die by its own sword.. it is up to the european humanistic characteristic to change or they will simply dig their own grave...

I love all races...but I show no sympathy for wickedness, oppression, or treachery!!

Original LandLord.

Do you show sympathy for your own stupidity. Do you support the chiapas/sorbonne drug routes? Zapatista = cunning coke lines? oh no, poor marcos is not god. Using the word "many" doesn't disguise you. "first" or "only"? "many" or "all" makes no difference y'racist. "many" racists try and appear magnaminous in the public realm.
well, you guys enjoy your cokslapping now. I'll give it a miss as the saying goes.

I never liked landlords no matter how original they claim to be..even if it's thousand of years. Proudhon weeps for his dead words that never made it to you yet.
the global south is one thing but white as cockroach. I wonder which parties/clubs you might be joining in the next years the considering the particular "humanistic characteristic" you display.

Konev · 01-19-2008, 01:58 PM

Quote:The hideous social consequences of one child policy in china can be evinced by the vast discrepency between the male and female population numbers in china today, not even to mention the grim realities of female foetal abortions over last few decades.

Eugenics is no better, if not terribly worse and is certainly not "just leaving them alone" by any stretch of the imagination. Sterilisation is indeed a form of eugenisism.

You suggested the pill later, so if that works then fine.

Quote:Firstly, your own personal pseudo-anthropological theory of african birth models is IMHO ridiculous and again with the gene theory you go. I think you can safely say that the effects of high mortality rates adopted incursively into cultures far outweigh any genetic imperatives in respect to any per capita statistic of an african nation or the continent en mass. If what you said was true the population explosion would not have taken off in the last hundred's of years as it has. i.e what you are saying is patently untenable y'racist.

Africans have throughout their history lived on the verge of starvation, for tens of thousands of years. Also, for tens of thousands of years, wild animals ate their babies (and in many places, there was and still is cannibalism [in Congo for example]). And when we add all the various diseases and poor sanitary conditions, the mortality rate has been extremely high for tens of thousands of years. Had they not adopted a practice of making numerous babies, they had long ago died out. For tens of thousands of years they lived this way, until Europeans came. We brought with us our medicines and vaccinations, that extended their life expectancy, decreased their mortality rate and started to increase the population. In 1900's we had managed to deliver them so much medicines and vaccines that the effects started the explosive population growth. Their cultural habits (or genes, although culture might outweigh the genes) were still as before, so it resulted in making too numerous babies, most of whom now managed to live. So the explosive population growth would not have started earlier, because all of the mentioned factors held it down. What I'm saying (IMHO) is quite tenable (whether or not genes have a smaller role, which they might have).

Quote:That population growth is the biggest problem faced is your fundamental position on this matter then?
Starvation is not resultant on overpopulation per se actually. It is also greatly governed by the perpetual banking/agri scam that is food aid. You recall the "teach a man to fish line" used by Arrested Development maybe..not. Arrested development furthered by international protocols that result in such as "developing" nations in Africa often being prevented from creating new industrial infrastructures due to "climate change". The pill is a better road than sterilisation but you need to have your own means to produce it and educate the populace unmolested by outside commodity brokers.

Yes... That scam would indeed be one major problem also. In fact, about as big problem as the population growth. So now there are at least four big problems.

Well, whatever it takes to stabilize the population growth...

Quote:Dont twist it . I was not referring to any taboo subjects you may think you bravely champion. I was referencing the overtly supremacist overtones in your text. The rest of it got too feverish Kon3v. The besiegement mentality may well be a throwon from the failed soviet invasion I dont know what stories your grand parents told you about the germans helping out but here in east germany there a lot of that "good night white pride" as well as the other.

You can talk about whatever the hell you want as far as I'm concerned but dont cry if someone points out your at the very least a zenophone.

Taboo subjects should be bravely championed.

I was confronted with this typical white guilt argument, so I refuted it, with "supremacist overtones". I do advocate that white Europeans have supreme power in their own countries, that they built and have struggled for. I dont see any logic in that we built and defended our homelands for hundreds and even thousands of years just so we can give them away to others who have not earned them. I dont think that Europeans should rule other non-white nations. The fact that there are lot of people who are poor and exploited in the world, doesnt mean that they should move into our countries. As I've already said, and I tink we can all agree on, we should just try to help other countries to develop and stop the exploitation.

Failed Soviet invasion and alliance between Germany and Finland has nothing to do with this subject (this subject is already a bit off the topic).

Quote:Even as a so called clever linguistic counter in an internet debate it still is a dangerous sentiment. One doesnt have to subscribe to any theories of multiculturality * to realise supporting a position of racial exclusivity is latent facism( *although multi cultural societies are a reality and it is better to work out how that can work I think, than continuing to otherwise attempt to forment racial tension.)

We should talk about all and not censor "bad facts" and ertainly not illegalise speech but none of that means you're not racist.

I found nothing dangerous in my sentiment.

I think that races get along among themselves ideally, not among other races. I dont think multiculturalism works. Races have lived separately for tens of thousands of years, I dont think we should all of the sudden mix them together, because it creates racial tensions that leads into riots, violence and crime and other problems.

1800-1950 every country was a racist country and everybody was a racist, long before facism and nazism. Almost everybody is a racist. And this can be seen very well in the US, where schools are forced to integrate races. In class rooms most of the students might sit, or be forced to sit next to student of other race, but in cafeteria for example most of the students prefer the company of their own race (discrimination against other race, preference to own race = racism?). Many white people just pretend or think they're not racists.

01-19-2008, 02:45 PM

[quote name='Kon3v' date='Jan 19 2008, 06:58 AM' post='124371'] [quote name='nik mark 2' post='124333' date='Jan 19 2008, 04:32 AM']
The hideous social consequences of one child policy in china can be evinced by the vast discrepency between the male and female population numbers in china today, not even to mention the grim realities of female foetal abortions over last few decades.

Eugenics is no better, if not terribly worse and is certainly not "just leaving them alone" by any stretch of the imagination. Sterilisation is indeed a form of eugenisism.[/quote] You suggested the pill later, so if that works then fine.

[/quote]

RE:We should probably look into the distribution and dedication of agricultural land in the "developing" world, big business commodity needs and the effects of restructural loans nb. debt in general. before sailing unquestioningly down your stream of conciousness concerning the numbers of population the globe can capacitate.
If a country had the means to produce, distribute and educate such things as the pill or prophylatic contraception, I hardly think this constitutes the forced sterilisation you have in mind. Yes, at a push both can be pulled into the bracket of eugenics but it is you who is focused on genetic superiority theory.

[quote name='nik mark 2' post='124333' date='Jan 19 2008, 04:32 AM']Firstly, your own personal pseudo-anthropological theory of african birth models is IMHO ridiculous and again with the gene theory you go. I think you can safely say that the effects of high mortality rates adopted incursively into cultures far outweigh any genetic imperatives in respect to any per capita statistic of an african nation or the continent en mass. If what you said was true the population explosion would not have taken off in the last hundred's of years as it has. i.e what you are saying is patently untenable y'racist.[/quote]
Africans have throughout their history lived on the verge of starvation, for tens of thousands of years. Also, for tens of thousands of years, wild animals ate their babies (and in many places, there was and still is cannibalism [in Congo for example]). And when we add all the various diseases and poor sanitary conditions, the mortality rate has been extremely high for tens of thousands of years. Had they not adopted a practice of making numerous babies, they had long ago died out. For tens of thousands of years they lived this way, until Europeans came. We brought with us our medicines and vaccinations, that extended their life expectancy, decreased their mortality rate and started to increase the population. In 1900's we had managed to deliver them so much medicines and vaccines that the effects started the explosive population growth. Their cultural habits (or genes, although culture might outweigh the genes) were still as before, so it resulted in making too numerous babies, most of whom now managed to live. So the explosive population growth would not have started earlier, because all of the mentioned factors held it down. What I'm saying (IMHO) is quite tenable (whether or not genes have a smaller role, which they might have).
[/quote]

RE:I think that high infant mortality rates and extreme poverty are still the overriding factors to a high birth rate. The contention that it is "in the genes" or due to 'primitive' social practices and conceptions is simplistic and perfect for propping up your separatist reasoning. Using such fallible props is more indicative of your own personal skewed racial bias than presenting any intellectualised cultural position.

Cannabilism is contiguous with records of human societies across the globe. Read "Heart of Darkness" again, you didnt get it.

[quote name='nik mark 2' post='124333' date='Jan 19 2008, 04:32 AM']
That population growth is the biggest problem faced is your fundamental position on this matter then?
Starvation is not resultant on overpopulation per se actually. It is also greatly governed by the perpetual banking/agri scam that is food aid. You recall the "teach a man to fish line" used by Arrested Development maybe..not. Arrested development furthered by international protocols that result in such as "developing" nations in Africa often being prevented from creating new industrial infrastructures due to "climate change". The pill is a better road than sterilisation but you need to have your own means to produce it and educate the populace unmolested by outside commodity brokers.[/quote] Yes... That scam would indeed be one major problem also. In fact, about as big problem as the population growth. So now there are at least four big problems.

Well, whatever it takes to stabilize the population growth...
[/quote]

RE:ending exploitation of agri and commodity conglomerates for the interests of "developed" world might help alonside with cancelling the debt.

[quote name='nik mark 2' post='124333' date='Jan 19 2008, 04:32 AM']
Dont twist it . I was not referring to any taboo subjects you may think you bravely champion. I was referencing the overtly supremacist overtones in your text. The rest of it got too feverish Kon3v. The besiegement mentality may well be a throwon from the failed soviet invasion I dont know what stories your grand parents told you about the germans helping out but here in east germany there a lot of that "good night white pride" as well as the other.

You can talk about whatever the hell you want as far as I'm concerned but dont cry if someone points out your at the very least a zenophone.

Taboo subjects should be bravely championed.

KON3V: I was confronted with this typical white guilt argument, so I refuted it, with "supremacist overtones". I do advocate that white Europeans have supreme power in their own countries, that they built and have struggled for. I dont see any logic in that we built and defended our homelands for hundreds and even thousands of years just so we can give them away to others who have not earned them. I dont think that Europeans should rule other non-white nations. The fact that there are lot of people who are poor and exploited in the world, doesnt mean that they should move into our countries. As I've already said, and I tink we can all agree on, we should just try to help other countries to develop and stop the exploitation.

Failed Soviet invasion and alliance between Germany and Finland has nothing to do with this subject (this subject is already a bit off the topic).

[/quote]

RE:You continually fail to see that the cycle is perpertuated by "helping other countries to develop" that is what has been the expressed "agenda" since the applied advances of european medicine you try and cite as the core reason for population growth. Self determination I cant disagree with. but this "dfefendong our homelands for thousands of years" rhetoric is laughable. you sound paranoid in your mental besiegment. Perhaps we whites should not take our plastic and chips for granted because the materials surely werent sourced anywhere near europe.

[quote name='nik mark 2' post='124238' date='Jan 18 2008, 12:18 PM']
Even as a so called clever linguistic counter in an internet debate it still is a dangerous sentiment. One doesnt have to subscribe to any theories of multiculturality * to realise supporting a position of racial exclusivity is latent facism( *although multi cultural societies are a reality and it is better to work out how that can work I think, than continuing to otherwise attempt to forment racial tension.)

We should talk about all and not censor "bad facts" and ertainly not illegalise speech but none of that means you're not racist.
[/quote]

KON3V:I found nothing dangerous in my sentiment.

I think that races get along among themselves ideally, not among other races. I dont think multiculturalism works. Races have lived separately for tens of thousands of years, I dont think we should all of the sudden mix them together, because it creates racial tensions that leads into riots, violence and crime and other problems.

1800-1950 every country was a racist country and everybody was a racist, long before facism and nazism. Almost everybody is a racist. And this can be seen very well in the US, where schools are forced to integrate races. In class rooms most of the students might sit, or be forced to sit next to student of other race, but in cafeteria for example most of the students prefer the company of their own race (discrimination against other race, preference to own race = racism?). Many white people just pretend or think they're not racists. [/quote]

RE:All people are faced with holding 'racist' sentiments to an extent, it is intrinsic with our condition of ultimately always having a degree of separation with everything and everyone. Just another expression of it.
However, be that as it may, we do live in societies were multiculturalism has ALREADY occurred. stop foaming into your cornflakes. Either you are advocating mass 're-patriations' or something worse. what other options could your perspective be extrapolated to?
My experience of colleges in Britain was that the students often congregated in refectories in an absolutely non racially segregated way.where do you get that from? What is the population demographic in Finland actually?

Konev · 01-19-2008, 03:39 PM

Quote:RE:We should probably look into the distribution and dedication of agricultural land in the "developing" world, big business commodity needs and the effects of restructural loans nb. debt in general. before sailing unquestioningly down your stream of conciousness concerning the numbers of population the globe can capacitate.
If a country had the means to produce, distribute and educate such things as the pill or prophylatic contraception, I hardly think this constitutes the forced sterilisation you have in mind. Yes, at a push both can be pulled into the bracket of eugenics but it is you who is focused on genetic superiority theory.

Of course if that works then eugenics is not necessary. Genetic superiority theory could be another subject, in the future.

Quote:RE:I think that high infant mortality rates and extreme poverty are still the overriding factors to a high birth rate. The contention that it is "in the genes" or due to 'primitive' social practices and conceptions is simplistic and perfect for propping up your separatist reasoning. Using such fallible props is more indicative of your own personal skewed racial bias than presenting any intellectualised cultural position.

Cannabilism is contiguous with records of human societies across the globe. Read "Heart of Darkness" again, you didnt get it.

What is your explanation to the population growth?

Cannibalism does continue in Africa, even today. But this was a side note.

"racial bias than presenting any intellectualised cultural position"
No... Or maybe a bit. Do you think that all races are all the same, as good as everything, just different skin color, or do they have significant racial differences? This will be another topic later, but I'd like to know what you think.

Quote:RE:ending exploitation of agri and commodity conglomerates for the interests of "developed" world might help alonside with cancelling the debt.

And then there still would remain the population growth (that you dont think is a problem) and the corruption.

Quote:RE:You continually fail to see that the cycle is perpertuated by "helping other countries to develop" that is what has been the expressed "agenda" since the applied advances of european medicine you try and cite as the core reason for population growth. Self determination I cant disagree with. but this "dfefendong our homelands for thousands of years" rhetoric is laughable. you sound paranoid in your mental besiegment. Perhaps we whites should not take our plastic and chips for granted because the materials surely werent sourced anywhere near europe.

Well obviously I meant real help, not this fake help.

Yes, I do think that European intervention in Africa and especially European medicine has been the core reason for the population growth. What is your explanation?

How is that laughable that we did defend Europe against Arabs, Mongols and Turks, for hundreds of years. How is it laughable that we have struggled for thousands of years, against ourselves and others? I emphasize that we have struggled for thousands of years to maintain our civilization. I dont see anything laughable in that fact. Numerous civilizations around the world have perished for good, we havent. What is laughable or paranoid about that? And the point I was making with this, was not to somehow motivate us to "fight the NWO" or something like that, but to simply demonstrate that we Europeans have a right to our homelands, just like all the other races have a right to their lands.

Quote:RE:All people are faced with holding 'racist' sentiments to an extent, it is intrinsic with our condition of ultimately always having a degree of separation with everything and everyone. Just another expression of it.
However, be that as it may, we do live in societies were multiculturalism has ALREADY occurred. stop foaming into your cornflakes. Either you are advocating mass 're-patriations' or something worse. what other options could your perspective be extrapolated to?
My experience of colleges in Britain was that the students often congregated in refectories in an absolutely non racially segregated way.where do you get that from? What is the population demographic in Finland actually?

We seem to agree that racism to some degree is natural.

"However, be that as it may, we do live in societies were multiculturalism has ALREADY occurred."
Yes, and it's costly, arouses racial tensions and problems of racism (which would not exist in homogenous nations), and numerous other problems. And the most significant problems start to occur, especially in the US, when it will be minority white.

I just advocate that Europeans, especially in the US would not bring anymore other races into their countries. No-one - except the illegal Mexican invaders - should be deported.

In the US they do prefer the company of their own race in scool cafeterias for example, this is common knowledge.

In Finland we have 5,2 million people, about 2,3% foreigners. Maybe 1% or less (0,5-1%) are non-whites. I'm not worried about Finland, our immigration policy is just fine (for us). I, just like the majority of our people, would like to see it strictly maintained this way.

It's the USA, that in 2050 will be majority non-white, that is an alarming example of multiculturalism. I later, in another topic, bring up the interracial crime and other statistics.

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