New Hampshire Recount? Ron Paul says forget about it

[rockclimber]

Ok, who is going to explain this one away?

http://blog.ronpaul2008.com/ron_paul_2008/...ampshire-r.html

Quote:New Hampshire Recount?

After a careful investigation, I have decided against seeking a recount in New Hampshire. I am confident that not asking for a recount is the right decision.

I carefully considered the arguments for and against a recount before instructing my campaign staff not to pursue it. Without a firm belief that vote fraud had taken place, and without the possibility that a recount would have increased the chances for success of our campaign, a recount would have diverted campaign resources, time, and energy away from crucial battles elsewhere.

We have taken concerns about vote fraud seriously. In Iowa, campaign volunteers carefully monitored the caucuses. Campaign staff placed Paul supporters in every precinct to watch and verify the voting and count. We had supporters phone in results from their precincts to a campaign hotline while others ensured that those numbers were reflected on the official display board at the Polk County Convention Center. The numbers our caucus watchers reported agreed with the official tally, and both results also aligned with the campaign’s internal polling. In relatively pro-Paul counties, our sampling pegged support at 11.5%. This is consistent with an overall 10% finish for the entire state.

In New Hampshire, while I would have hoped for a better result than eight percent, I am convinced that vote fraud played no role in this result. Rumors of vote fraud were investigated, and in the end they proved to be the result of errors in early media reports that were not reflected in the official numbers. In one notable case, when a campaign staff member contacted an individual who had on the evening of January 8 claimed that his vote had not been counted, the person said that he had made a mistake and that the next morning the error in reporting on a newspaper website had been corrected both in the media and -- most importantly -- in the official tally.

Many have expressed concerns that those ballots counted by machine yielded a 2% lower total than those counted by hand. However, machine counted vote totals were more than 2% lower for both John McCain and Mike Huckabee. Hand counted votes were more likely to be cast in rural areas. Results almost always vary between urban and rural areas.

My campaign staff and I have analyzed the numbers in New Hampshire and I have reached the conclusion that it was the high turnout -- not vote fraud or counting errors -- that left us with eight percent of the vote. Our total vote count of over 18,000 votes was well within what we projected given the efforts of our extensive statewide get-out-the-vote program, giving me no reason to believe that vote fraud played any role in the results of the Granite State’s primary.

In both Iowa and New Hampshire there is much to be proud of. Taking both states together, I am honored that over 30,000 people cast their vote for me -- more than either Rudy Giuliani or Fred Thompson. Unlike many other candidates’ efforts, our campaign for freedom is growing and our message is spreading.

Now is the time to redouble our efforts. Our resources must be spent on the upcoming primaries and caucuses, and on ensuring that, with your help, we organize every state yet to vote with our Precinct Leaders program.

We can't win primaries and caucuses that have already happened -- but we can win those yet to come. To become the Republican presidential nominee, a candidate must have 1,191 delegates. Iowa, Wyoming and New Hampshire determined only 32 delegates, so we have much opportunity remaining.

Today, I ask you to join me in focusing on the battles ahead as we continue our fight for liberty and our Constitution.

Sincerely,

Ron Paul

[LeveL]

Quote:Ok, who is going to explain this one away?

All the mugs still falling for his BS?

Remember how Ron Paul had to be pushed into running for President and how he never wanted to?

No one can deny that, not even the most ardent Ron Paul supporters, so with that in mind, why would Ron Paul want to win and become the Republican candidate?

HE DOESN'T!

Ron Paul doesn't WANT to get elected in my opinion, because he never wanted to run for President in the first place. This is not a conspiracy, or a theory, it is just Ron Paul, who never had any intention of winning, scamming $20 Million from enough gullible people that support him.

Him not being bothered about a recount just fits together perfectly with this.

There you go RCS - I did in fact explain it away there.;)

[rockclimber]

Quote:

Quote:Ok, who is going to explain this one away?

All the mugs still falling for his BS?

Remember how Ron Paul had to be pushed into running for President and how he never wanted to?

No one can deny that, not even the most ardent Ron Paul supporters, so with that in mind, why would Ron Paul want to win and become the Republican candidate?

HE DOESN'T!

Ron Paul doesn't WANT to get elected in my opinion, because he never wanted to run for President in the first place. This is not a conspiracy, or a theory, it is just Ron Paul, who never had any intention of winning, scamming $20 Million from enough gullible people that support him.

Him not being bothered about a recount just fits together perfectly with this.

There you go RCS - I did in fact explain it away there.;)

I really think your onto something here. This is by far the most aggravating thing he has done yet. This would have answered the question about vote fraud. He f'ed up big here. His article explains nothing. We're just supposed to trust that "after careful consideration" and some speculation that that is the end of it.

Demand a fricking recount anyway!

[LeveL]

If that statement didn't say Ron Paul at the bottom it could have come from any of the candidates.

Makes me wonder, $20 Million... if this isn't the kinda thing he should be spending a small fraction of that money on (and it would be a very small fraction of $20M) then what IS he spending it on? It doesn't cost $20 Million to go around campaigning FFS.

[mindsweep]

Ron Paul is just a thermometer for the illuminazi to test the amount of people who will be against the establishment when we go to a dictatorship.

[LeveL]

Quote:Ron Paul is just a thermometer for the illuminazi to test the amount of people who will be against the establishment when we go to a dictatorship.

Possible & likely.

But remember, they have a thousand other thermometers like hehe.. the internet. :o

Yeah we're all waking up on the internet and its because of the internet, granted, but its also the biggest thermometer there is too unfortunately.

Kinda reminds me of when my mate was hypnotized on stage... heres an ice cream but - its actually a dildo. <_<

WE are hypnotized "ooooh the internet its enabled us all to wake up" yeah but its all being fucking tracked as well.

[Hans Olo]

Look, this is where we are now:
The camaign is doing the smart thing. Ron Paul would certainly benefit from a recount, but they don't want to go call for it. They let someone else take care of that.

Exactly the same strategy they uses regarding 9/11 truth: not giving the mainstream media attack dogs what they need to destroy his campaign: weak spots in his defense system. Discussions about things that he's not 100% sure about. 9/11 is such a discussion. Vote Fraud in N.H. is, too. The MSM would love to make him "that vote fraud guy" or "conspiracy nut". You know, they need to prove him wrong only once and that would basically destroy him.

How it will be played out:
If there's a recount, fine. Either he wins a few percentage points, maybe RP was third place after all. Maybe his vote was switched with McCains. They might fake the recounts too and put out the same fake numbers again and again. I bet someone somewhere thinks really hard about how they're gonna blame the vote fraud on the Ron Paul supporters somwhow.

Best thing the campaign could do right now is wait for the results of the recount. In the meantime, focus on bringing the message out. His first job as president should be to reinstate the constitution, but until then his first job towards America is to become elected President. We don't need his help yet.

[LeveL]

I don't buy it.

Why doesn't the Paul campaign say "There is already a recount underway" which, there is isn't there?

If I was running the Paul campaign thats what I would say - I could accept that answer but for Paul to say a recount doesn't matter is like saying "I don't care that they are stealing my votes" hence my theory that he doesn't want to win. He got pushed into running for president, you got to remember that, he was reluctant to even run for President so then why should he want to win? He can't have a recount in case he wins.

[Shinobi]

Wheres Infinite or Nyte on this one ???? Nowhere to be seen eh

What gets me is alllllllll that money that Ron has got over the past couple years
where has that gone to ? wheres it going ? ... hello guys .. wakey wakey

[Nyte]

Quote:Wheres Infinite or Nyte on this one ???? Nowhere to be seen eh

I havent noticed the article yet asshole


Well if I was Paul it push on to try and win the next state and forget about that last
he doesnt have all the time in the world


oh wait I forgot

ITS A CONSPIRACY GUYS HE WROTE A BOOK A FEW 10+ YEARS BACK WITH A PNAC MEMBER!
HE HAS MONEY THAT PEOPLE DONATED TO HIM...ITS A CONSPIRACY!
You guys to relize he doesnt control that money his press/election office does and that made up of supporters?

....Wait there jewish illuminazi members just think about it they have money and the NWO wants*insert an assumption based on no proof*


God damn your guys apathy is amazing

Why the fuck would they consider assasination if hes with them? Why would they censor,use vote fraud,and threaten him?

[Hans Olo]

Quote:I don't buy it.

Why doesn't the Paul campaign say "There is already a recount underway" which, there is isn't there?

If I was running the Paul campaign thats what I would say - I could accept that answer but for Paul to say a recount doesn't matter is like saying "I don't care that they are stealing my votes" hence my theory that he doesn't want to win. He got pushed into running for president, you got to remember that, he was reluctant to even run for President so then why should he want to win? He can't have a recount in case he wins.

LeveL, look, he WANTS the recount, he doesn't want to SAY he wants the recount. So if the recount goes wrong in any way, he won't be the one to blame.

[LoopRadar]

What about assumptions based on history?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yuzMYIXhTE

I guess Reagan was a kinda neat guy...

[byrd]

Quote:

Quote:Wheres Infinite or Nyte on this one ???? Nowhere to be seen eh

I havent noticed the article yet asshole


Well if I was Paul it push on to try and win the next state and forget about that last
he doesnt have all the time in the world


oh wait I forgot

ITS A CONSPIRACY GUYS HE WROTE A BOOK A FEW 10+ YEARS BACK WITH A PNAC MEMBER!
HE HAS MONEY THAT PEOPLE DONATED TO HIM...ITS A CONSPIRACY!
You guys to relize he doesnt control that money his press/election office does and that made up of supporters?

....Wait there jewish illuminazi members just think about it they have money and the NWO wants*insert an assumption based on no proof*


God damn your guys apathy is amazing

Why the fuck would they consider assasination if hes with them? Why would they censor,use vote fraud,and threaten him?

this is all you ever seem to have to say when u come to debate or talk shit about articles posted about the guy. just sarcasm, ignorant statements, and silly little childish jokes. you keep going on about the same cpl of points, and try to make a joke out of it, when good information is being put forth about ron paul.
hans solo's explanation of this is just as weak. i suspect it doesnt really matter what you guys are shown about him, youll still hold the same opinion of him. you must hold out and keep supporting, cuz he is your savior. your being really silly and in the long run your only fooling yourselves.

excuse after excuse is all i see from you ppl. you can deny what your being shown only for so long, before it just gets to a point where you wont even be able to fool yourself anymore.
remember when Kerry let it go? didnt wanna bother with the recount? same with Gore? so this shit happens yr after yr, with these controlled candidates, the controlled opposition, same shit keeps happening, yet ppl like you guys wanna play dumb like you dont see the obvious.

its a joke. it really is. you guys are turning out to be a very big part of the problem man. dummies who dont wanna see how it is, who dont wanna admit to themselves how it really is, cuz it makes you feel better i guess, to think you still have a chance at peace, or a batter american govt., or whatever it is you think is gonna happen.


thats ok tho, itll just be a bigger kick in the ass once you see what your guy is all about. if you ever do....



this is just one more thing to show what kind of a controlled, coward of a candidate he really is. he is there for ppl like you to hope for a guy like him. this is starting to border on humour.

[rockclimber]

Quote:Look, this is where we are now:
The camaign is doing the smart thing. Ron Paul would certainly benefit from a recount, but they don't want to go call for it. They let someone else take care of that.

Exactly the same strategy they uses regarding 9/11 truth: not giving the mainstream media attack dogs what they need to destroy his campaign: weak spots in his defense system. Discussions about things that he's not 100% sure about. 9/11 is such a discussion. Vote Fraud in N.H. is, too. The MSM would love to make him "that vote fraud guy" or "conspiracy nut". You know, they need to prove him wrong only once and that would basically destroy him.

How it will be played out:
If there's a recount, fine. Either he wins a few percentage points, maybe RP was third place after all. Maybe his vote was switched with McCains. They might fake the recounts too and put out the same fake numbers again and again. I bet someone somewhere thinks really hard about how they're gonna blame the vote fraud on the Ron Paul supporters somwhow.

Best thing the campaign could do right now is wait for the results of the recount. In the meantime, focus on bringing the message out. His first job as president should be to reinstate the constitution, but until then his first job towards America is to become elected President. We don't need his help yet.

Ok, here is how it will play out for now. I visited Ry's site and another popular forum to hear excuses and the concensus. I was more interested in the latter, but wanted to hear the excuses. :wink:

Kucinich is going to pursue a recount. Paul knows this, and Kucinich is about ready to drop out anyway. So if Paul lays low, and doesn't sound like the whiner and if this goes according to plan, he will look good in the end. The real question for me is, will they actually pursue the recount? That remains to be seen. But if they do and as we suspect, it could open a big can of worms, and if it reveals what we suspect, Paul will shine like a dime. So perhaps Paul knew what he was doing, but I wished he hadn't have layed it on so thick in his editorial.

It never hurts to ask questions, and sometimes we have to settle with an answer that we may not be happy with. But if it works, then so be it. I know some of you may be thinking wtf RCS, well I still have a little hope left in me.

[Hans Olo]

Quote:...

That's essentially what I said, thanks RCS.

byrd, you're just pooping words right now. What is your argument, especially what good would it do RP if he calls for a recount himself rather than let the other guys do the work and take the fall?