Freedom Fighters Or Freemasons?

[fred15]

"Freedom Movement leaders" sign a scroll dedicated to the "Brotherhood Of Man", under
"the All-Seeing Eye of our Creator", asking for "Illumination" (masonic/satanic terms):-

http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/upd...-05-25.htm
http://www.jekyllislandproject.com/invitees.aspx
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xhN0Byk5GQ Horus Eye 9/11

http://tiny.cc/inasq "freemason hand" into Google images
http://tiny.cc/ockoo "alex jones paul freemason hand"*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRNUT1N205E Alex Jones Freemason?
http://snardfarker.ning.com/group/satani...everywhere
http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=32653 Alex Jones:"SUBMIT TO FEAR"

*single index finger = OK.

[FastTadpole]

(01-26-2011 06:58 PM)fred15 Wrote:  http://www.edgemediatv.com/forum/topic.a...IC_ID=3373

I recall Griffin being interviewed on this and getting grilled on the wording of the last line on this document. His response was that he'd change it if he could but it would be counter-productive to do so now.


http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/upd...-05-25.htm

I've been wary of G. Edward Griffin here are some nuggets from elsewhere on the forum.

(02-03-2010 05:20 PM)joeblow Wrote:  For the uninformed, Alex "Shabbos Goy of Shabbos Goyim" is pushing G. Edward Griffin as the first researcher who exposed the Private Federal Reserve when any simple comparison of works between him and Eustace Mullins would show otherwise.

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Eustace Clarence Mullins
1923-2010

(12-25-2010 02:15 PM)burtlancast Wrote:  

(12-24-2010 05:48 PM)FastTadpole Wrote:  RE: Creature from Jekyll Island

This is a wonderful vulgarization of Eustace Mullins work, in particular, Secrets of the Federal Reserve (1952) spent in the archives that somehow manages to omit some key names from the script.

Compare Edward "G" Griffin to Eustace Mullins and note the differences. But to be honest I'm not 100% reliant on either of their work. When you act just use common sense - no need to rely on either historical account.

Neither really offer up much by way of preventing or acting against the banking tyranny but Griffin's work selectively leaves out significant information.

You know deep down what the right thing to do is anyways. Unfortunately that requires work but fortunately does not require sacrifice. If we start sacrificing we've dug a hole to losing much more than we already have. Building is almost too obvious a solution but it's the only way. Building on morals, values, infrastructure, fair ownership, respect ..

Money is only an ends to a means and is only a secondary illusion of swindle and control, at best.

I'm in the process right now of reading the creature of Jekyll Island; i've already gone through half of Mullin's book too.

I would be very interested in knowing how other people see their different contributions.

Right now i see Mullin's book as naming names and not going any further.

Griffin's book goes a much longer way in explaining how the system works today and the implications on a global scale.

(05-29-2010 01:35 PM)FastTadpole Wrote:  RE: What in the World Are They Spraying?

With Griffin (Rockefeller's John Birch Society) associated with this film, keep the filters up for misinformation. There is certainly connections with aluminum resistant GMO seeds in production. I'm curious as to what was left out.

(02-19-2010 10:54 AM)FastTadpole Wrote:  I think there is too much faith in a gold backed currency as a final solution. This is partially due to the fact that a large contingent of the alt media push this because they are sponsored by gold dealers. Listen to the commercials and don't be swindled by this second layer. It's a trap or maybe some of these alt-media types are just in it for the money, they could be hijacked. Really who knows or cares about their motives, bottom line their information is compromised to a certain degree. They reveal enough of the truth to convince many that they finally have the wool pulled from over their eyes telling you to do your own research and find out for yourself. The thing is they direct your research to their hijacked sources. Try looking for information deeper than the first page of Google, this site is much better than that, but keep your filter on for the half-truthers.

A good example of this is the late Eustace Mullins' work being hijacked by Creature from Jekyll Island author G. Edward Griffin of the Rockefeller funded John Birch Society. G. Edward Griffin is a huge supporter of a return to the gold backed currency standard.

Gold is finite but it can be manipulated as a commodity. The market has been cornered before and it will be cornered again. The US was on the gold standard during the great depression. I am not willing to bet the future on a system propped up by who controls an element. You might say that a lot of people own gold now, maybe for awhile but for how long - you cannot eat gold but it is good for spending. The only people that can afford to sit on it are and always have been the ultra wealthy so eventually it will systematically flow to them. Once they have total control, if they don't have enough of the gold already, the banks can do what they please.

The dollar is dead one way or another so short term gold and silver will replace it as currency. That's the short of it, but longer term thinking denotes that as a trap to have us worship the metal as our god. A god (golden calf for you Catholics and Jews out there) that will ultimately fall under the so-called 'elite' persuasion.

[ZeroCenter]

Freemasons, servants of Baal, sun worshipers, whatever... The "image" they have created is an "adversary" for good to fulfill the curses of Deut 28 for those who fail to live by the Royal Law ( http://bible.cc/james/2-8.htm ). This 'beast' system is only a steward of Authority, and are bound by the same law as all men. The adversarial system only reflects back the heart-intent of the people.

* THERE ARE DISCIPLES OF BAAL IN AMERICA, by Sheldon Emry
http://sheldonemrylibrary.com/Disciples of Baal.pdf
* The Levitical Priesthood Of Tennessee by George Gordon:
http://library.georgegordon.com/levitical
The Police = The High Priest's Servants
Crimes = Sins
The Jail = The Ward
The Courthouse = The Temple
The Courtroom = The Holy Place
The Judge = The High Priest
The Bench = The Altar
The Bar = The Veil
Lawyers = Intercessors
Pleas = Prayers
Being Guilty of a Crime = Being Guilty of a Sin
Criminals = Sinners
Fines = Sin Offerings
Court Costs = Heave Offering
The Supreme Court = The Holy of Holies
The Judicial System = The Levitical Priesthood

Do "tyrants" only become "tyrants" because they are merely reflections of the hearts of the people? And if the people crave "ownership" then they shall be "owned"? Thus the "appearance" of "tyranny" but in reality the physical manifestation of the energy attraction of the people?

Or does it all boil down to "self-governance" (self control) ... and those who wish not to participate in "self-governance" will "experience" "tyrannical governance"?

[April]

Hey fred15

First off..... where is the proof of any of these "freedom fighters" being "freemasons?"

Secondly.... if they were.... why would it bother you ? (seriously) I'd like to know.

And lastly.... can't freemasons be freedom fighters ? IMO, they have been and of course still can be.

Back in the day, ConCen had quite a few freemasons that used to regularly post, answer questions and chill with the rest of us.

One of our greatest moderators OF ALL TIMES was highly involved in secret societies.

Gary Franchi is among the group you started this thread about. He claims to have woken up here at ConCen....

Do you know any masons fred15?

[FastTadpole]

Freedom Fighters Or Freemasons?

I don't think the terms are mutually exclusive. Painting everyone, that is a member of, whatever the degree in any and every lodge, or associates with Freemasons as the opposition is a mighty big all-inclusive swath.

Madame Blavatskey warned (screaming at the top of her lungs) of the large scale infiltration of Freemasonry in before the turn of the 19th century. I have no doubt a good bit of the knowledge that was under their guard/control was taken, altered, restructured or destroyed.

An individual person's intent and the action that follows would best answer the question presented.

Quote:If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

http://bible.cc/james/2-8.htm

That site only references the new King James Version and the 21st Century KJV. The original 1611 version has no reference to hell, demon does not replace the word devil and repent is not scrubbed from the vast majority of pages.

The original KJV 2:8 is as follows:

Quote:If ye fulfil the royall Law, according to the Scripture, Thou shalt loue thy neighbour as thy selfe, ye doe well.

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1611_James-2-8/

/FYI

[ZeroCenter]

(01-27-2011 10:07 AM)FastTadpole Wrote:  Freedom Fighters Or Freemasons?
I don't think the terms are mutually exclusive. Painting everyone, that is a member of, whatever the degree in any and every lodge, or associates with Freemasons as the opposition is a mighty big all-inclusive swath.
Madame Blavatskey warned (screaming at the top of her lungs) of the large scale infiltration of Freemasonry in before the turn of the 19th century. I have no doubt a good bit of the knowledge that was under their guard/control was taken, altered, restructured or destroyed.

Are we asking the right questions?
Does it matter if they are Freemason or not? Why are they "fighting" for "freedom"? Is freedom a 'fight', or a choice?
Does what we resist, persist? Can tyranny be overcoming by resisting it?

If everything we experience is a mirror manifestation of our intent, then don't we get EXACTLY what we want all the time?

What is the opposite of 'fighting'? http://thesaurus.com/browse/fighting
Antonyms: agree, make peace, surrender, yield
* Could we agree with our adversary quickly?
* Could we make peace with our adversary?
* Do we have anything to fear to 'surrender' to our adversary?
* What do we lose (or gain) by yielding to our adversary?
* Do we have anything to fear, but fear itself?

"Progress is impossible without change, and those who cannot change their minds cannot change anything."
- George Bernard Shaw
"For centuries now we've tried everything else; the power of wealth, of mighty armies and navies, machinations of diplomats. All have failed. Before it's too late, and time is running out, let us turn from trust in the chain reactions of exploding atoms to faith of the chain reaction of God's love. Love - love of God and fellow men. That is God's formula for peace. Peace on earth to men of good will."
-Richard Cardinal Cushing
"One of these days, the people are going to demand peace of the government,
and the government is going to have to give it to them."
-Dwight Eisenhower

[fred15]

Hi folks, and thanks for the comments.

I heard Badnarik say that he did not notice the masonic language either. Did they all fail to notice it?
That is very hard to believe.

I am sure that most of us recognize the phrase "All-Seeing Eye", and know that it symbolizes Horus/Lucifer.
Clearly that is who Freemasons serve, whether they know it or not.

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/cha...matrix.htm Top Masons praise Lucifer (quotes).

Most "leaders" of the "Truth Non-Movement" offer vague long-term solutions at best. They often get very
agitated if anyone raises or suggests quicker solutions:-

http://archives2010.gcnlive.com/Archives...630103.mp3 (15m to 20m)

I suspect that they are largely "controlled opposition". After the "success" of "Operation Mockingbird",
would the globalists just ignore the "alternative media"?

Forget the "false left/right political paradigm", consider a "false mainstream/alternative media paradigm",
designed to make everyone passive.

[ZeroCenter]

(01-27-2011 08:42 PM)fred15 Wrote:  Most "leaders" of the "Truth Non-Movement" offer vague long-term solutions at best. They often get very agitated if anyone raises or suggests quicker solutions:-
Forget the "false left/right political paradigm", consider a "false mainstream/alternative media paradigm", designed to make everyone passive.

If they get agitated, someone must be doing something right. If they got off the air, would we be better off?
Agreed on "forget false left/right paradigm" but why consider the latter?
What if we consider a higher path, that's staring us in the face but seemed too simple to entertain seriously? (i.e. our 'gut'/intuition + imagination?)
Is there a way to short-cut the solution even more?
Can it be told to us, or only seen by going thru & experiencing it for ourselves?

If I could have the solution summarized in just 50 pages, I would choose
"To be A Man" & "To Be a Man - Addendum"
. . . Why? To see the value of "fighting with fighting" to correct the mistake that prevents everybody winning. The Difference between this way & the "truth movement" (commercial/remedy processes) is the latter are invariably based in conflict (winners & losers), whereas this is based upon the premise no loss is incurred by ANY party - i.e. everybody wins.

[fred15]

Related:-

http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=44893 Hidden Masonic Symbols In Alex Jones Broadcasts

[fred15]

The second link in the first post is dead.

Here are those associated with the above "All-Seeing Eye" "Acknowledgement Scroll":-


Home | Purpose | Invitation | Agenda | About CC2009 | Video | Freedom Keepers | Contact

Jekyll Island Project Freedom Keepers:


G. Edward Griffin
Founder: FREEDOM FORCE INTERNATIONAL
Author: The Creature From Jekyll Island: A Second Look at the Federal Reserve
http://www.jekyllislandproject.com/www.F...-Force.org
http://www.gedwardgriffin.com/

Bob Schulz
Founder: WE THE PEOPLE FOUNDATION FOR CONSTITUTIONAL EDUCATION
Founder: WE THE PEOPLE CONGRESS
Author: Petitions for Redress of Violations of State and Federal Constitutions
http://www.jekyllislandproject.com/www.W...ngress.org
http://www.jekyllislandproject.com/www.W...dation.org
http://www.jekyllislandproject.com/www.G...iberty.org

Dr. Edwin Vieira
(in absentia, through substantial written statement)
Author: Pieces of Eight : The Monetary Powers and Disabilities of the United States Constitution
Author: Constitutional Homeland Security
http://www.edwinvieira.com/

Katherine Albrecht
Founder: CASPIAN (Consumers Against Supermarket Privacy Invasion and Numbering)
Author: Spy Chips
Consumer Protection, Syndicated Radio, Speaker
http://www.katherinealbrecht.com/

Michael Badnarik
Constitutional Scholar
Former US Presidential Candidate Libertarian Party
National Co-Director: CC2009
http://www.constitutionpreservation.org/

Catherine Bleish
Executive Director: LIBERTY RESTORATION PROJECT
http://www.libertyrestorationproject.org/

Clyde J. Cleveland
Founder: RESTORE THE HEART OF AMERICA
Publisher: COMMON SENSE REVISITED
http://www.commonsenserevisited.com/

Paul Venable
Chairman: IDAHO CONSTITUTION PARTY
http://www.paulvenable.org/
http://cpidaho.org/

Robert Crooks
Founder: MOUNTAIN MINUTE MEN BORDER PATROL
http://www.mountainminutemen.com/index.html

Tom Cryer
Founder: TRUTH ATTACK
http://www.truthattack.org/

Tom DeWeese
Founder: AMERICAN POLICY CENTER
http://www.americanpolicy.org/

Gary Franchi
Founder: RESTORE THE REPUBLIC
http://www.restoretherepublic.net/

Rob Gray
Executive Director: AMERICAN OPEN CURRENCY STANDARD
http://www.opencurrency.com/

Ernest Hancock
Founder: FREEDOM’S PHOENIX
http://www.freedomsphoenix.com

Vickie Karp
National Chair: COALITION FOR VISIBLE BALLOTS
http://coalition4visibleballots.homestea...index.html



Adam Kokesh
Board: IRAQ VETS AGAINST WAR
http://ivaw.org/

Mark Lerner
Founder: STOPREALID
http://www.stoprealid.info/

Amanda Moore
(for Bernadine Smith) SECOND AMENDMENT COMMITTEE
http://www.libertygunrights.com/

Daneen Peterson
Founder: STOP THE NORTH AMERICAN UNION
http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/

Raymond D. Powell
Founder: REVOLUTION MARCH
http://www.revolutionmarch.com/

Karen Renick
Founder: VOTE RESCUE
http://www.voterrescue.org/

Jon Roland
Founder: CONSTITUTION SOCIETY
http://www.constitution.org/

George Shepard
Founder: REPUBLIC MAGAZINE
http://www.republicmagazine.com/

John Stadtmiller
Founder: REPUBLIC BROADCASTING NETWORK
Founder: GENESIS COMMUNICATIONS NETWORK
http://republicbroadcasting.org/

Deborah Stevenson
Executive Director of NHELD, LLC.
National Home Education Legal Defense
http://www.nheld.com/index.htm

Edgar Steele
Constitutional Trial Attorney
Author: Defensive Racism
http://www.nickelrant.com/

Lt. Cdr. Eric Cunningham (retired)
Oath Keeper
Author: Combat Arms Survey
http://www.oath-keepers.blogspot.com/

Eric Nordstrom
(In Abestenia)
Vice President, PyraBang
Moneybomb (Origin)
RepublicMedia.TV, Technical Advisor
http://www.republicmedia.tv/

******************************************
Staff:
Paul Blakeley
Photographer and Designer

Judith Whitmore
Organizer

Amanda Moore
Organizer

Ilona Blakely
Event Secretary

Dr. Bob Frady
Clinical / Forensic Psychologist;
Management & Leadership Consultant We The People Congress - CC2009 State Coordinator Georgia

Mike Bodine
Management/Technology Consultant
WE THE PEOPLE CONGRESS

Brian Smylie
National Co-Director for the States CC2009
WE THE PEOPLE CONGRESS

******************************************

Regrets:
Larry Pratt GOA, GUN OWNERS OF AMERICA
Tom Woods “Meltdown”
Judge Napolitano Senior Judicial Analyst – FOX News
Dr. Edwin Vieira Constitutional Attorney and Author
Dr. Greg Dixon Founder: THE BIBLICAL LAW CENTER
Jeffrey Dickstein CONSTITUTIONAL ATTORNEY
Darrell Castle CONSTITUTION PARTY
Margi Crook (for Iloilo Jones) FULLY INFORMED JURY ASSOCIATION
Jim Capo (for Jack McManus) JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY

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[yeti]

(01-27-2011 08:42 PM)fred15 Wrote:  Hi folks, and thanks for the comments.

Are you going to answer April's questions?
http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?t...#pid209428

[Shinobi]

(01-27-2011 10:07 AM)FastTadpole Wrote:  http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org

Thanking you for the link there.

[fred15]

(04-04-2012 03:55 PM)yeti Wrote:  

(01-27-2011 08:42 PM)fred15 Wrote:  Hi folks, and thanks for the comments.

Are you going to answer April's questions?
http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?t...#pid209428

Posts 1 and 7 explain my position. I do not trust Freemasons, or people who sign documents
which contain overt masonic language (see post 1). Here are some reasons why:-

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/cha...matrix.htm Top Freemasons praise Lucifer (quotes).
http://uk.ask.com/web?q=Freemasons+New+World+Order
http://uk.ask.com/web?q=Freemasons+serve+Lucifer

[CharliePrime]

I did not know Ed Griffin was sponsored by the John Birch Society. I did not know the John Birch Society was sponsored by the Rockefellers.

I heard Eustice Mullins interviewed on Jan Irvin's Gnostic Media podcast last summer where Mullins claimed Ed Griffin severely plagiarized his work.

Perhaps there are both good and bad Freemasons. Perhaps there are both good and bad Jews. Perhaps there are both good and bad Luciferians. I know there are both good and bad Christians.

Oi vey! This conspiracy stuff is a complicated ball of knots to unwind. :-) That's what makes it so much more fun than watching stupid television.

[stanzela]

(04-05-2012 03:42 PM)CharliePrime Wrote:  Perhaps there are both good and bad Freemasons. Perhaps there are both good and bad Jews. Perhaps there are both good and bad Luciferians. I know there are both good and bad Christians.

I think that's the key. The luciferianism thing doesn't deter me so much because lucifer as an historical entity is ambiguous at best. To me, our negative associations with lucifer, snakes, etc. are likely the result of clever and thorough brainwashing - much like the 'divide and conquer' mentality that seeks to antagonize us from one another on the basis of our superficialities. I am trying to get my head around not reacting with emotions of fear, anger or hatred when these images are projected or mentioned.
At the very worst, these images represent one portion of the whole - just as their is no happiness without sadness, fullness without emptiness, or up without down, there is no good without evil (at least on this plane). By acknowledging this shadow-half of reality, luciferians are coming closer in contact with truth. They are acknowledging the whole, rather than arbitrarily worshiping 'the good' without an acknowledgement of the universal presence of balance (thus the worshipped 'good' is indeed not truly real, or at least not complete. True 'good' would acknowledge ALL forms)
The associated images of 'light-bringing' and knowledge, where lucifer is concerned, and of energy/knowledge ascension (kundalini, DNA) with respect to the serpent, make me think twice about why these images are worshiped/praised - and what their true significance is. It would appear to me that these have more to do with development and enlightenment than they do with the worship of 'evil' proper.