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Armilus · 10-01-2011, 05:32 PM

More Than Taboo (October 2011)
http://concen.org/tracker/torrents-detai...5712&hit=1

***Dunamis*** · 10-02-2011, 04:56 PM

(10-01-2011 03:33 PM)Loke Wrote: Your excuse for you being paranoid, sarcastic/hostile and still clinging to the wrong assessment; that I was "questioning" you, or your honesty and "insinuating" you had more reasons than you provided.

I don't believe in "excuses", but there are ALWAYS reasons...

(09-30-2011 04:26 PM)Loke Wrote: "One question"? Did you have more than one reason, more than the "lack of proper description", Dunamis?

...add that to the past "it must be he's a Jew or goyim" crap here for similar reasons, well...I'm sure it doesn't take much to work out why it seemed you were implying more than the answer that I had given.

Above shows you clearly were questioning my motivations...

(10-01-2011 03:33 PM)Loke Wrote: Also, qua the banned torrent list, I thought that banned meant; cannot be uploaded again. Delete would have been the proper verb for your action, not banned.

The torrent WAS banned, us moderators do not have the option to delete a torrent, only the user or yeti can do that, this got "banned".

The banned list are things the makers have asked to not be uploaded, totally different issue.

(10-01-2011 03:33 PM)Loke Wrote: Why was the uploader to let you know, if he just could upload a "banned" torrent again, but with a "proper" description (>one line description)?

So I could unban (the non deleted) torrent already uploaded. It saves the uploader having to do more than needed.

(10-01-2011 03:33 PM)Loke Wrote: Ridiculous, especially coming from the one who not only deleted, but in fact banned an easily identifiable torrent for having a one-line description only!

So I should regret following the rules? (Which have been changed because of your moaning, actually, I almost quit...this shit is stupid). I am explaining myself for following rules.

Feel free to add your opinion though... http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=42857

Loke · (This post was last modified: 10-02-2011 10:01 PM by Loke.)

Dunamis Wrote:...add that to the past "it must be he's a Jew or goyim" crap here for similar reasons, well...

Well, either you're a Jew, or you're Goy (non-Jew) - but that's not the issue, and really beside the point.

Dunamis Wrote:I'm sure it doesn't take much to work out why it seemed you were implying more than the answer that I had given.

And you go on and on... <sigh> - Have I struck an oversensitive nerve?

There could be a number of reasons for any torrent to be banned or deleted here. In this case; I thought you had more than one reason, but only revealed one of them.

Dunamis Wrote:Above shows you clearly were questioning my motivations...

Yes, I questioned the deleting/banning persons (in this case yours) motivation - and so what? I didn't question your "honesty", though.

And, I didn't "imply" or "insinuate" anything! I actually asked you straight up; if you had more reason than one! This, as I had misunderstood the phrase "one question was the description" as "one reason was the description", - as I've already explained and excused. (Even though my mistake was quite obvious!)

Dunamis Wrote:The banned list are things the makers have asked to not be uploaded, totally different issue.

A different issue, yes, besides the casual (mis)used term "banned"?

You had to "ban" it because you hadn't the possibility to just "delete" it - or even better; just wait a bit for the uploader to react on your PM and rectify the insufficient description.

(Remember you said you PM'ed the uploader, and asked him to give a proper description, and then "get back to you"? Because of that, I then thought he actually could have done just that: - edited it; describing it better, and thus making a "ban" or "delete" utterly unnecessary.)

A ban/delete, in cases such as this, is imo inappropriate and inconvenient for downloaders; one reason being that the fast downloaders (like me with 1Gbps seedbox) won't be seeding a new upload of the same video - especially not, if the torrent itself has changed, having a new hash.

Loke Wrote:Why was the uploader to let you know, if he just could upload a "banned" torrent again, but with a "proper" description (>one line description)?

Dunamis Wrote:So I could unban (the non deleted) torrent already uploaded. It saves the uploader having to do more than needed.

Well, it turned out, that the same torrent couldn't just be uploaded again, as the hash was banned. Deleting it would not have caused this, and it's no real biggie to re-upload a small torrent-file. However, as I've explained; I thought you indeed gave the uploader a chance to describe it properly before taking action, and then went on banning it anyways - imo then prematurely.

Why not just do that; give the uploader a chance to rectify the improper description (with easy identifiable torrents, that is), and thus saving everybody from doing more than needed.

Dunamis Wrote:So I should regret following the rules?

Well, yes!!

Dunamis Wrote:(Which have been changed because of your moaning,

Great! - The rules obviously needed to be changed then!

Dunamis Wrote:actually, I almost quit...this shit is stupid). I am explaining myself for following rules.

Then I must have struck a nerve, you contemplating to quit.

I'm sorry about that, Dunamis. As you know, I've recently told you in PM, that I really appreciate you, and that ConCen wouldn't be the same without you... - So why are you having a fit, overreacting like this?

Dunamis Wrote:Feel free to add your opinion though... http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=42857

Thanks, but I've already done that now. Peace!

***Dunamis*** · 10-03-2011, 12:49 PM

You were questioning my motivations, which in turn, as I'd already given you the only reason, clearly indicates you were questioning my honesty (in that you were asking if I had other, undisclosed reasons), a clear question of my honesty.

If a "nerve" was hit, though I refute that it was, I'm merely standing my ground, it would have been more to do with you and I discussing things fine elsewhere, and then the introduction of questions as to my motivations on a simple regular following of a rule.

If you have an issue with the rules, address it appropriately, don't direct the disagreement all at one moderator...you may find they feel it's all being directed at them...oh yea... Tongue

But you know what, don't worry about it, your right, I'm wrong.

Unbanned now... http://concen.org/tracker/torrents-details.php?id=25693

Seems as some cannot understand the principle of always describing your own uploaded content.

Let's just hope it doesn't go all "btmon.com" with the description-less torrents.

Loke · (This post was last modified: 10-03-2011 02:40 PM by Loke.)

Dunamis Wrote:But you know what, don't worry about it, your right, I'm wrong.

Come on, man... Whether you mean this, or again are being defensive/sarcastic; - this was clearly not what I was looking for!! I do worry, that we now may have "issues", as you call it.

I didn't know I had such an impact on you, or you are having such a low self-esteem, Dunamis. None that have any merits imo! - Usually, you have admirable tolerance and self-control.

It is quite easy to provoke me into being defensive, even aggressive, as many on ConCen have noticed through the years - and always to my total sorrow and grievance.

I can be harsh, and tends to never back down if I feel I'm (or others are) stepped on, unfairly ridiculed, negated or attacked. - And, I'm sorry if this just happened here!!

Many times I've looked to you for an admirable "cool" example of real tolerance; - one that I'd like to imitate more. "Imitation is the sincerest flattery!" - Mohandas Gandhi

Dunamis Wrote:as I'd already given you the only reason, clearly indicates you were questioning my honesty (in that you were asking if I had other, undisclosed reasons), a clear question of my honesty.

You can certainly be "fully honest" without always giving "full disclosure". I.e.; you could just have thought, that giving one reason based in "the rules" was enough for a ban and an explanation why (what I actually thought was the case, if you had more than one reason), and as such didn't bother to list every reason. I've already said, why I thought you perhaps had more reasons than one. But, as I cannot know your reasons, and I saw several possibilities, then I asked you directly - and "the ball rolled", and now have ®evolved much bigger than I ever intended!

Another thing is, that I'm not sure if "full disclosure" is even possible. Ppl often doesn't even know themselves every single reason for their actions. It may need serious contemplation and even meditation, to reach the core and the depths of their reasoning - which almost always are comprised of a multitude and conglomerate of different (conscious and subconscious) thoughts and feelings.

Dunamis Wrote:If a "nerve" was hit, though I refute that it was

Imo; you haven't actually "refuted" me having "struck an oversensitive nerve" in you here! - You have in fact done the exact opposite - you've continuously "confirmed" it Sad

Dunamis Wrote:If you have an issue with the rules, address it appropriately, don't direct the disagreement all at one moderator...

Well, as the "ball rolled" (me given more explanations on rules/work-processes and such), then I gave my opinions along the way, as the ball kept on rolling - out of control...

You called me a "torrent-cop", and my developing and sound critique for "moaning". - Remember; "As you sow, so will you reap!" - and "As you howl, so you will get howled at!"

And, you're not the only moderator, that I have had "directed my disagreements at". Recently icosaface and I had an unfunny conversation as well.

The very nature of a site as ConCen will attract and should allow a certain "breathing-room" for anti-authoritarians and non-conformists, like myself.

You've got to "harden your skin", being ConCen owner/staff, even user. I'm giving much kudos to yeti, who despite his Sasquatch ill temper, have been amazingly tolerant.

Peace, bro'!?

Armilus · 10-03-2011, 03:39 PM

It is very simple, in order to provide some structure there must be rules to follow. Those who do not follow them cause trouble, no matter how you turn it and how much you respect or disrespect authoritarian systems. Why? Because it is illogical to expect something will actually operate effectively without following the rules of operation.

This is why you can't organize people in a purely democratic way, there is always someone who disagrees, or he is offended or he wants something else. Sometimes people need to shut up. Yes, even Bill O'Reilly is right from time to time, imagine that! Smile

***Dunamis*** · 10-03-2011, 03:48 PM

Maybe it's a little persecution complex, but I can assure you, if it was a unknown users I'd not have been as bothered to be honest.

Of course there are always "other possibilities" for banning stuff, but a persons previous conduct would, imo, have been a good area to look to for answers before asking questions. Granted, a question is just a question, but as you have shown now too, it's easy to read between the lines...

(10-03-2011 02:25 PM)Loke Wrote: You called me a "torrent-cop"...

Whereas I didn't call you one, I asked (sarcastically).

(10-01-2011 01:39 PM)Dunamis Wrote: What are you, the torrent cop?

A question can sometimes be viewed, in context, as a statement, or accusation. But maybe general sarcasm really is a British thing, there was no nasty intent I can assure you, just jesting.

(10-03-2011 02:25 PM)Loke Wrote: Peace, bro'

Right back at ya. I may not appreciate certain things, but another thing I don't appreciate is allowing myself to allow the things I don't appreciate to come in the way of the things I do, so although you may fear there is some sort of "issue" with us now, from my perspective there is none. Many users will attest to the fact that although some heated exchanges may take place, a new conversation is still just as easy and rewarding as before such exchanges occurred.

Life's to short to hold grudges Wink

Armilus · 10-03-2011, 07:09 PM

Life is not short, it never ends! Forgetting past life after the incarnation is one of the best things designed in this Universe. Thanks, G.A.O.T.U.! Imagine all the worries and crap from the previous lives, how many people you have killed, who killed you (if anyone), and how much emotions or money you owe someone. Who cares, forget it all!* Smile

It also means worries are really not important, they only serve a purpose when your own survival is at stake, but apart from that worrying is a waste of time and energy. Fear not, for you are immortal with all eternity to craft a destiny that is yours to define!

* - spirits can find each other across different lives; also your personality is similar, because the seed for it is always your spirit, you always feel as the real you, which is very cool

Loke · (This post was last modified: 10-03-2011 07:19 PM by Loke.)

@Armilus:

"If cooperation is a duty, I hold that non-cooperation also under certain conditions is equally a duty."
"An unjust law is itself a species of violence. Arrest for its breach is more so."
"In matters of conscience, the law of the majority has no place."
"No blind law can govern the conduct of living beings." - Mohandas Gandhi

Yes, I love and admire that incredible wise man, Mahatma, a sage which I aspire to imitate, but I unfortunately fail more often than succeed in doing so.

"Freedom is the emancipation from the arbitrary rule of other men." - Mortimer Adler

"I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." - Robert A. Heinlein

"Anarchism is founded on the observation that since few men are wise enough to rule themselves, even fewer are wise enough to rule others." - Edward Abbey

"Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves." - Henry David Thoreau

"There is no exception to the rule that every rule has an exception." - James Thurber

@Dunamis:

Danes are well-known for their everyday irony/sarcasm as well, and are fond of thinking it's their unique treat.

But, I fully concur; you and I, and our relationship are to matured letting this minor incident come between us, and now we're all "cool" again.

"Man should forget his anger before he lies down to sleep." - Mohandas Gandhi

Armilus · (This post was last modified: 10-03-2011 07:19 PM by Armilus.)

Hm, OK, quotes are cool, but i am not sure what are you trying to say. Gandhi is too peaceful for my taste, sometimes you need to be resolute and active instead of only passive. Too much of anything, no matter if positive or negative, can confuse people.

Loke · 10-03-2011, 07:57 PM

Armilus Wrote:i am not sure what are you trying to say.

Perhaps you need rules to follow - I need rules to break Wink

Armilus Wrote:Gandhi is too peaceful for my taste

Would you've had Gandhi to be more warlike than peaceful?

He wouldn't had succeeded in breaking the tyrannic yoke of English imperialism, and freed an entire nation, by any other means than peaceful.

TPTB in our days, they are all geared up - and they would like nothing better than us dissidents to be violent - a language they speak fluently.

"I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent."
"Victory attained by violence is tantamount to a defeat, for it is momentary." - Mohandas Gandhi

- Furthermore; in regard to your tagline, and taste:

Leonardo da Vinci made his fortune, and his living by inventing arms and instruments of war for TPTB.

Machiavelli gave name to the employment of cunning and duplicity in statecraft or in general conduct.

- Not my kind of guys!

Armilus · (This post was last modified: 10-03-2011 08:48 PM by Armilus.)

(10-03-2011 07:57 PM)Loke Wrote: Perhaps you need rules to follow - I need rules to break

Only rules or laws someone should respect are to be found in Nature/Universe. Everything else is artificially constructed to keep society together, it can change any time.

Quote:Would you've had Gandhi to be more warlike than peaceful?

He wouldn't had succeeded in breaking the tyrannic yoke of English imperialism, and freed an entire nation, by any other means than peaceful.

TPTB in our days, they are all geared up - and they would like nothing better than us dissidents to be violent - a language they speak fluently.

"I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent."
"Victory attained by violence is tantamount to a defeat, for it is momentary." - Mohandas Gandhi

Well, no, Gandhi is Gandhi, i have nothing against him. However, as they say -- it is all in the head. So many Indians could eat those Englishmen alive if they wanted to, when properly organized. Peaceful resistance was one solution, but it is not always effective, depends on who you are dealing with.

Quote:- Furthermore; in regard to your tagline, and taste:

Leonardo da Vinci made his fortune, and his living by inventing arms and instruments of war for TPTB.

Machiavelli gave name to the employment of cunning and duplicity in statecraft or in general conduct.

- Not my kind of guys!

Yes, i know not many people like Machiavelli and his psychopathic honesty. He focused on what is most effective when ruling over people or seizing power, at same time there is something dark and attractive about his character... Leonardo was extremely talented, his war engines are nothing bad, it enabled us to defend our civilization many times. Strength lies in balance between good and evil, between peace and war. Si vis pacem, para bellum!

Loke · 10-03-2011, 10:19 PM

Armilus:

You and I doesn't seem to share any ideals, logic or philosophy!

I do despise all kinds of darkness, evilness and war - you don't!!

Let's just stop it here, as we are light-years from each other!!!

"What do I think of Western civilization? I think it would be a very good idea."
"I am prepared to die, but there is no cause for which I am prepared to kill."
- Mohandas Gandhi

***Dunamis*** · 10-04-2011, 01:03 AM

(10-03-2011 07:09 PM)Armilus Wrote: Life is not short, it never ends! Forgetting past life after the incarnation is one of the best things designed in this Universe. Thanks, G.A.O.T.U.! Imagine all the worries and crap from the previous lives, how many people you have killed, who killed you (if anyone), and how much emotions or money you owe someone. Who cares, forget it all!*

It also means worries are really not important, they only serve a purpose when your own survival is at stake, but apart from that worrying is a waste of time and energy. Fear not, for you are immortal with all eternity to craft a destiny that is yours to define!

* - spirits can find each other across different lives; also your personality is similar, because the seed for it is always your spirit, you always feel as the real you, which is very cool

That's got to be the first time I've been "evangelised" to on Concen. My life began at conception my friend, no sooner, and it will end when my body fails. It's a conclusion based on observation, evaluation and investigation. In my personal opinion it will not be until the resurrection that I will be conscious again, this is based of faith, that is what I put my hope in.

I also concur with Loke. Why you chose to join an almost ended unrelated conversation and preach about previous "spirit lives" that can be "remembered" I'm unsure.

Offtopic

Armilus · (This post was last modified: 10-04-2011 06:42 AM by Armilus.)

(10-03-2011 10:19 PM)Loke Wrote: Armilus:
You and I doesn't seem to share any ideals, logic or philosophy!
I do despise all kinds of darkness, evilness and war - you don't!!
Let's just stop it here, as we are light-years from each other!!!

Correct, i don't despise darkness or evil. It has its place in this Universe, i see it as part of our existence. I also don't despise Moon, or night, or war after periods of peace. Smile

Not long ago i also equaled so-called enlightenment with peace, and i couldn't understand how can someone say war is good for this civilization. Now i see why this is needed for us at this time, and how it is not intrinsically bad. Even more, it speeds up our development.

(10-04-2011 01:03 AM)Dunamis Wrote: That's got to be the first time I've been "evangelised" to on Concen. My life began at conception my friend, no sooner, and it will end when my body fails. It's a conclusion based on observation, evaluation and investigation. In my personal opinion it will not be until the resurrection that I will be conscious again, this is based of faith, that is what I put my hope in.

I also concur with Loke. Why you chose to join an almost ended unrelated conversation and preach about previous "spirit lives" that can be "remembered" I'm unsure.

I answered more for others who may read it, it wasn't really directed at you. You have your own religious beliefs, which bring structure and meaning to your life. That is a lot better than people who believe in nothing.

I replied "off-topic" because i answered already off-topic post. I think it is possible to split this topic into a new thread, in case anyone wants to debate this further. I don't see any need for it.