England Riots 2011

[sekular]

A bit of a coincidence that the biggest police cuts in history were about to occur and then we had outright lawlessness allowed to occur to the sum of £100 millions. Only for the police to demand new laws and start raiding peoples homes with swat for stealing some nikes. The public support for the police has gone through the roof, people are literally begging for their rights to be taken away.

If you ask me the whole thing was a god damn set up. They killed the wrong guy and then encouraged the protests to occur and then stepped back and allowed looters and arsonists to go crazy so that they would have the means to justify their massive budgets and new laws.

[mexika]

It seems like the pirates in London wanted this to happen. If that happend in London, 911 in America, what else do these pirates have in store for the good working public. These rich pirates must be watched very closely....

"The London Riots and How They Will be Used to the Elite's Advantage"




Originally triggered by a case of police brutality, the London riots soon became a generalized expression of malcontent from today’s young proletariat. The cramming of the unprivileged into neighbourhoods resembling ghettos combined with continued police oppression has always been an explosive combination. The Los Angeles riots of 1992 and the French riots of 2010 took place in very similar circumstances. While it is obvious that many rioters have absolutely no political agenda except for the looting of a few bottles of liquor, the riots are nevertheless the accumulated result of years of segregation of the poor and minorities in conjunction with the type of police oppression not found in well-to-do suburban areas.

While the media seems focused on portraying the rioters as a bunch of drunk hoodlums who have nothing else to do, it is obvious to the citizens of the area that the growing tensions with the police would lead to this kind of outburst. Here’s an interview describing the “other side of the story” (I don’t think that the BBC was expecting this kind of response).

That being said, the London riots might be exactly what the ruling class needed to further a few agendas. The elite’s motto is Ordo Ad Chao, meaning Order Out of Chaos. Time and time again, chaotic situations have been “allowed” – if not totally engineered – by the elite in order to create fear and panic within the general population. The distraught masses then beg the elite for an intervention and a prompt solution. The result of these interventions is almost unequivocally the same: the introduction of rules and regulations disadvantaging the average citizen while giving more (undemocratic) powers to the elite.

The new policies would not normally be accepted by the general population, but due to the panic generated by the crisis, the policies are not only accepted but welcomed with open arms. The Great Depression of 1929 allowing the Rockefellers and the Morgans to hijack the banking system, 9/11 clearing the way for the PATRIOT act, the bailout “crisis” that handed $700 billion of tax-payer money directly to a few favored companies … the same pattern repeats itself continually. Create a crisis, make it last long enough to get the population worried and introduce the solution that was, in fact, part of the agenda all along. And the population falls for it, every single time.

Using mass media, it is easy to create widespread panic. Simply interrupting a TV show with “Breaking News” featuring a red banner at the bottom of the screen and bold letters is enough to raise the collective heartbeat of a nation, and to make it aware of a situation in a matter of minutes. In the days that follow, all media outlets constantly remind the population of this particular situation. The constant hammering makes the situation almost seem as unbearable by the population who hear about it continuously on TV and read about it in the newspapers and the internet. After a while, the average citizen will want just one thing: the awful, nauseating feeling created by the situation to go away, whatever that takes. After the problem has dragged long enough, the media present one or several solutions. Not fully understanding this solution, but tired and annoyed, most people think: “Well, if that’s what it takes for them to shut up about this and move on to something else, then I’m all for it.”

Did the elite allow the London riots to last long enough to create a sentiment of panic? There are already sources stating that the police were ordered to stand by as the riots took place (according an article from the Daily Mail entitled Why police were so soft on London looters: They ‘were ordered to stand and observe’ as capital burned (but in Manchester they were hunting looters within hours). Furthermore, we are already seeing in the media the emergence of a specific agenda and a call to the adoption of specific policies that, predictably, go against the interests of the general public.

[FastTadpole]

h/t to IC1 for the link.

Quote:NYPD Disorder Control Unit Holds 'Mobilization Exercise' In Wake Of London Riots
First Posted: 8/16/11 08:24 AM ET

After violent riots broke out in London last week, the NYPD Disorder Control Unit held "mobilizaion exercises" on Randall's Island Friday, the Metro reports.

Approximately 180 police officers from each borough’s task force, including the horseback and aviation units, were present for the drill.

It is widely agreed that the initial police response to the London riots was largely ineffective.

English Prime Minister David Cameron tapped former NYPD police chief Bill Bratton to be a consultant to Scotland Yard.

The NYPD also announced the formation of a social media unit to catch criminals who use Facebook and Twitter to announce law-breaking plans or to brag about their latest crime.

The relationship between mayhem and social media was brought into focus last week as the London riots were coordinated largely via Twitter and Blackberry messages.

The last major riots to hit New York City were the Crown Heights Riots in 1991, when racial tensions between the black and Hasidic communities in the Brooklyn neighborhood erupted into violence.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/15...27664.html

Related?:

Unconfirmed Reports of Military Buildup in Multiple US States
http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=41999

Interesting that Bill Bratton (former NYPD police chief, turned Scotland Yard Consultant) comes up in these other police state threads:

Quote:

William Joseph "Bill" Bratton CBE (born October 6, 1947) is an American law enforcement officer who served as the chief of police of the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD), New York City Police Commissioner, and Boston Police Commissioner.

Bratton began his police career at Boston Police Department before becoming Police Commissioner in New York City, where his zero-tolerance policy has been credited with reducing petty and violent crime. He moved to Los Angeles Police Department in 2001 reforming the police after the 1992 Los Angeles Riots and crime was reduced.[2]

Bratton's policing style is influenced by the broken windows theory that if minor, petty crime is not dealt with, crime will increase.[3] He advocates having an ethnically diverse police force representative of the population[4], maintaining a strong relationship with the law-abiding population[5], tackling police corruption[3], being tough on gangs and a strict no-tolerance anti-social behaviour.[6]

Bratton was approached by British Prime Minister David Cameron to become the new Metropolitan Police Commissioner in July 2011, but this was blocked by the Home Office on the grounds the Commissioner must be a British national with experience of English law.[7] Bratton instead was offered an advisor role to the British government which he accepted in August 2011.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Bratton

Quote:.. Also, Times staff writer Joel Rubin reports on Los Angeles Police Chief William J. Bratton's proposal to change how he and his command staff deal with officers who use serious force during altercations...

Insane Troops - from a 2008 article titled EX-Military Killer Cops: Inglewood Police Kill again http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?t...#pid145691 (mexika)

Quote:.. In fact, Giuliani was oblivious to the 1993 World Trade Center bombing throughout his mayoralty. A month after the attack, candidate Giuliani met for the first time with Bill Bratton, who would ultimately become his police commissioner. The lengthy taped meeting was one of several policy sessions he had with unofficial advisers. The bombing never came up; neither did terrorism. When Giuliani was elected a few months later, he immediately launched a search for a new police commissioner. Three members of the screening panel that Giuliani named to conduct the search, and four of the candidates interviewed for the job, said later that the bombing and terrorism were never mentioned—even when the new mayor got involved with the interviews himself. When Giuliani needed an emergency management director a couple of years later, two candidates for the job and the city official who spearheaded that search said that the bombing and future terrorist threats weren't on Giuliani's radar. The only time Giuliani invoked the 1993 bombing publicly was at his inauguration in 1994, when he referred to the way the building's occupants evacuated themselves as a metaphor for personal responsibility, ignoring the bombing itself as a terrorist harbinger. ..

From Rudy Giuliani's Five Big Lies About 9/11 2007 - http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?t...6#pid85406 (IC1)

Quote:One of the greatest Banking scandals of ALL TIME. The BCCI implosion in the 80..s. BCCI was a money laundering tool for shadow Govt. sponsored Terror, and CIA Drug Smuggling. We know quite a bit about this now, and its important to note that we might..ve know a hell of lot more if the KERRY commission didn..t whitewash the investigation.

BCCI CONSTITUTED INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL CRIME ON A MASSIVE AND GLOBAL SCALE
9/11: The BCCI Connection

In his landmark article, Chaim Kupferberg uses mostly mainstream sources to reconstruct the making of the Official 9/11 Legend. Here, Kupferberg hypothesizes a covert global infrastructure behind the events of 9/11 - and lifts the veil to catch the lingering scent of BCCI.

With the above-stated hypothesis in mind, one should perhaps cast a discerning eye toward those manning the counter-terror posts in Los Angeles today - for an important element in John O'Neill's New York circle has recently relocated to the West Coast. In particular, O'Neill's friend, John Miller, has left a lucrative job at ABC News in order to work under William Bratton in the Los Angeles counter-terror office. Miller, some might recall, was one of the very few Americans to conduct a face-to-face interview with bin Laden before September 11. Before he had come aboard as a correspondent for ABC News, Miller had worked under Bratton in the NYPD. Bratton, through his acquaintance with O'Neill's friend Jerry Hauer, has also had intimate business dealings with Kroll Associates, the World Trade Center security firm which hired O'Neill.

From Kissinger Still Acting For Rockefeller In Whitehouse 2007 http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?t...3#pid46163 (Dr. Druid)

Quote:LOS ANGELES, Oct. 8 (Xinhua) -- Civil activists on Thursday voiced concern over an anti-terrorism program launched by the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD), saying the program could lead to racial and religious profiling.

The LAPD launched the so-called iWATCH program earlier Thursday to encourages people to report suspicious activities and behaviors.

Peter Bribing of the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California warned that iWATCH could lead to racial and religious profiling.

"Of course people should be able to report activity that they think is suspicious, and the LAPD has long maintained a hotline for residents to do so," he said. "But iWATCH actively encourages people to report a variety of ordinary activities -- such as people wearing clothes that are too big, or who are drawing buildings, or who are doing something else that could be innocuous. That could lead to racial and religious profiling."

But LAPD Chief William Bratton dismissed those concerns, saying "I think that we are in a position to indicate that we have no fear that it is going to go in that direction. I think that we can do this constitutionally, we can do this comprehensively, and we can do it safely."

"iWATCH is intended to be the next evolution of keeping America safe from terrorism by enlisting the 300 million Americans who care about this country, who care about our way of life, to work with their local police," he said.

He called it the "Neighborhood Watch of the 21st century."

He said the program intends to educate the public about what constitutes suspicious activities and behaviors, and to train police on how to deal with the reports.

The program has been endorsed by the Major Cities Chiefs Association and may be expanded nationwide soon.

Calling for heightened vigilance, Bratton said that from 1980 through 2000, 250 out of the 335 confirmed or suspected acts of terrorism in the United States were by American citizens.

"Local police have to have a place at the terrorism table because we have many more eyes and ears to work on these issues," Bratton said.

iWATCH encourages people to report:

-- people drawing or measuring buildings;
-- strangers asking questions about security procedures;
-- abandoned items;
-- vehicles left in no parking zones in front of important buildings;
-- intruders in secure areas;
-- people wearing clothes that are too big and hot for the weather;
-- chemical smells or fumes;
-- questions about sensitive information such as building blueprints, security plans or VIP travel schedules; and
-- buying items that can be used to make bombs or weapons, or purchasing uniforms without the proper credentials.

From LAPD launches Citizens Spy iWatch http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?t...#pid176078 2009 (mexika)

on the same thread:

Quote:After the 9/11 attacks, we were told the solution to terrorism was to have citizens spy on each other, and not to, say, elect a competent government. That’s when TIPS (Terrorist Information and Prevention System) was born, an initiative to recruit one million volunteers in 10 cities across the country that encouraged them to report suspicious activity that might be terrorism-related. An investigative political journalist, Ritt Goldstein, observed in Australia's Sydney Morning Herald that TIPS would provide America with a higher percentage of 'citizen spies' than the former East Germany had under the notorious Stasi secret police."

The LAPD is "creeping out America" with the ad, states KNBC in Los Angeles. The station cites outgoing LAPD Chief William Bratton, who said that "a single terrorism incident would do more harm to the city's image and economy than 50 gang murders."

"Absolutely true -- but do we really have to be so creepy with the promotional videos?" asked the station in its report. "This is LA. There are probably one or two writers, actors and directors that would be willing to cut out some of that creepiness."

From LAPD's Orwellian anti-terror ads creeping out viewers 2009 (FastTadpole) Videos and DDLs were scrubbed. http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?t...#pid177273

Quote:After a 19-month-old child was killed by police in a shootout, a high-ranking official pushed a campaign to reopen the investigation into her death. The intense lobbying failed.

.. the shooting exposed SWAT, used largely to serve warrants on dangerous suspects and handle standoffs involving barricaded people, to vigorous scrutiny by a panel of consultants convened by LAPD Chief William J. Bratton that conducted a top-to-bottom review of how it operates. Out of the review came changes aimed at making the unit less isolated from the rest of the department and reforms in the way members are selected.

Through a spokesman, Bratton refused to comment for this article and refused to allow other LAPD officials to respond, citing ongoing lawsuits regarding the Peña shooting. Coroner's officials also declined to comment.

..

The tragedy drew intense scrutiny. Bratton angrily defended the actions of his officers, laying the blame at Peña's feet. He promised, however, that the department would not shy away from the truth. "It is quite likely our officers killed both the suspect and the baby," he said at an emotional press conference two days after the incident. "We're not going to hide that."

The next day the Los Angeles County coroner's office -- the agency legally responsible for determining the cause of all deaths in the county -- confirmed Bratton's fears. The wound to the girl's head had been caused by a high-velocity bullet fired from one of the rifles SWAT members used that day, the coroner concluded. A grim-faced Bratton again expressed "deep regret."

Internal LAPD and coroner records recently reviewed by The Times, however, show that Bratton's public acceptance of responsibility quickly gave way to something far more complicated. For more than a year afterward, the records show, the LAPD quietly and aggressively pursued its own theory that Suzie Peña's father -- instead of a SWAT officer -- had shot the infant.... and the plot thickens

From LAPD tried to reverse a coroner's verdict in girl's death - 2009 http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?t...#pid154788 (mexika)

I also figure this was intertwined with the whole debate at least peripherally although this has been going on for some time:

More Predictive Policing
http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=42096

[FastTadpole]

Radio discussion on Bill Bratton and his connections to Kroll

Brian Gerrish - Genesis Radio 2011.08.09
http://concen.org/tracker/torrents-details.php?id=24994

Quote:Kroll has helped clients make high-risk, high-value decisions for 40 years. We provide trusted intelligence and scalable technology solutions that help companies, investors and governments address business and legal risks, drive compliance and capitalize on opportunities.

http://www.kroll.com/about/overview/

Quote:William J. Bratton - Chairman

William J. Bratton is Chairman of Kroll, one of Altegrity, Inc.’s three core businesses. Prior to the acquisition of Kroll in August 2010, Mr. Bratton served as Chairman of Altegrity Risk International, which is now part of the Kroll business unit. Kroll is the world’s leading risk consulting company, providing a broad range of investigative, intelligence, financial, due diligence, security and technology services to help clients reduce risks, solve problems and capitalize on opportunities.

Mr. Bratton joined Altegrity in November 2009 after serving as Chief of the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) for seven years. He is known as one of America’s premier police chiefs, the only person to have led two of the largest police forces in the United States, the New York City Police Department and the LAPD.

As Chief of the New York City Transit Police, Boston Police Commissioner, New York City Police Commissioner and Chief of the LAPD, Mr. Bratton revitalized police morale and cut crime significantly in all four posts. In New York, he led the development and deployment of CompStat, which has revolutionized policing all over the world. CompStat** employs accurate, real-time intelligence, rapid deployment of resources and relentless follow-up and accountability systems to focus the work of police on stopping crimes before they happen. In Los Angeles, in addition to significantly driving down crime, he is also credited with improving the LAPD's relationships with the city’s many diverse communities.

In 1999, before returning to public service in 2002 as Chief of the LAPD, Mr. Bratton formed his own company, The Bratton Group LLC, consulting on safety and security throughout the United States and on four continents, including extensive work in South America.

A frequent lecturer, writer and commentator in the fields of security, counterterrorism, law enforcement and rule of law justice systems, Mr. Bratton is Vice Chairman of the Homeland Security Advisory Council, whose members provide advice and recommendations on a variety of homeland security issues to the Secretary of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. He also serves on the Motorola Solutions Board of Directors.

The recipient of many honors throughout his career, Mr. Bratton was most recently named by Security magazine as one of 2010’s most influential people in the security industry based on his leadership qualities and the positive impact that his work has made on organizations, colleagues and the general public. This is the second time in two years that he has appeared on the magazine’s list of most influential security executives. In 2009, Mr. Bratton was recognized by Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II with the honorary title of Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire (CBE).

A U.S. Army veteran who saw service in Vietnam, Mr. Bratton began his police career in 1970 as an officer with the Boston Police Department. He holds a Bachelor of Science degree from Boston State College and is a graduate of the FBI National Executive Institute and the Senior Executive Fellows Program at Harvard’s John F. Kennedy School of Government. His critically acclaimed autobiography “Turnaround” was published by Random House in 1998

http://www.kroll.com/about/leadership/#bratton

Interesting to see the other players on the Kroll board of directors.

Joseph Buczek, CPA, CFE - Chief Compliance Officer
* Special Agent New York, Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).
* Spent four years at Arthur Andersen.

J. Philip Casey - President and CEO
* VP Primenet Data Systems, Inc. from 1994 to 1995
* VP Jordan Industries, Inc. from 1991 to 1993
* VP, COO Lifetouch, Inc. from 1984 to 1991
* Senior marketing and sales positions with Official Airline Guidelines, Inc. and American Airlines. pre-1984

Kroll is a subsidiary of Altegrity which is owned by Providence Equity Partners which is a prime investor in the following corporations:

ABTL (Indus Towers)
AcadeMedia
Altegrity
Archipelago Learning
Ascend Learning
AutoTrader.com
Canal Digitaal Satelliet
CDW
Com Hem
CSDVRS
Decision Resources
Digiturk
Edline
Education Management Corporation
Estro
Grupo Corporativo Ono
Grupo TorreSur
Hulu
Idea Cellular
ikaSystems
ITT Educational Services
NEW Asurion
NexTag
Open Solutions
Pluris
Qiyi
SRA International
Stream Global Services
Study Group
SunGard
Survey Sampling
TDC
Telcordia
Trilogy International Partners
TVB
UMI
Univision Communications
Vendome
Virtual Radiologic Corporation
Volia
Warner Music Group
WhitePages
World Triathlon Corporation
Yankees Entertainment and Sports Network
ZeniMax Media

.. and formerly:

360 Networks
American Cellular
Bresnan Communications
Brooks Fiber Properties
Casema
Craig Media
Digiplex
eircom
Global Metro Networks
Kabel Deutschland
Kerasotes Theatres
Language Line Services
Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer
MetroNet
MobileServ
PanAmSat
Powerfone Holdings
ProSiebenSat.1
Recoletos Grupo de Comunicación
The Marks Group
UOL
Verio
VoiceStream Wireless
Western Wireless
WNP Communications

Soruce: http://www.provequity.com/portfolio/inde...ion=0,2,1&

Providence Equity Partners is a private investment/merger/takeover company that operates globally, primarily in New York, Hong Kong, New Delhi and London.

Quote:Some companies chalk their success up to providence, others to Providence Equity Partners. Focusing on media, entertainment, information, and communications companies in all stages of development, the private equity firm is an active investor that usually collaborates with target companies' management and takes seats on their boards. It typically invests between $250 million and $2.5 billion per transaction and manages some $22 billion in committed capital. The company's current portfolio holdings include stakes in Education Management Corporation, Hulu, Kabel Deutschland, Univision, and Warner Music Group. Providence Equity Partners was founded in 1989.

http://www.google.com/finance?cid=13109510

Quote:CompStat**

CompStat—or COMPSTAT—(short for COMPuter STATistics or COMParative STATistics) is the name given to the New York City Police Department's accountability process and has since been replicated in many other departments. CompStat is a management philosophy or organizational management tool for police departments, roughly equivalent to Six Sigma or TQM, and is not a computer system or software package.

Instead, CompStat is a multilayered dynamic approach to crime reduction, quality of life improvement, and personnel and resource management. CompStat employs Geographic Information Systems and was intended to map crime and identify problems. In weekly meetings, ranking NYPD executives meet with local precinct commanders from one of the eight patrol boroughs in New York City to discuss the problems. They devise strategies and tactics to solve problems, reduce crime, and ultimately improve quality of life in their assigned area. The system is also in use in other major cities including Washington, DC,[1]Los Angeles,[2] Philadelphia,[3] Austin,[4] San Juan[5] , San Francisco,[6] Baltimore, Maryland where the system is shown in use in The Wire on HBO, though in the show it is referred to as "ComStat". In comparison, Baltimore's real-life system is called Citistat.[7], In Canada the CompStat system is currently in use by the Vancouver Police Department.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CompStat

[Swordfish]

From another thread on forum:

Quote: there seems to be an increasing practice of quoting everything a poster has said before responding. Cant posters just pick the actual section they agree/disagree with as its really tedious having to scroll down endless reams of quoted material for a one liner reply, and then have to trawl back through the 10 page quotation to see what the hell they are referring to.

And reply from Fasttadpole

Quote:RE: Posting comments

For the scrolling symptom of massive quotes in reply .. sometimes we'll issue warnings for this practice. We'll keep an eye on it.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
There are no others, there is only us.
http://FastTadpole.com/

This thread/page is a good example of what I was talking about.
The meaning of the post/reply/comment gets lost because of overload

[FastTadpole]

Well I looked through the entire thread and although there are a lot of articles quoted I don't see a single wholesale quote of a previous post.

Quote boxes are standard practice for taking parts of articles since they are not your own words and to grant attribution to the author.

For shorter quotes I sometimes do this instead.

RE: "This thread/page is a good example of what I was talking about."
~Swordfish

No it is not. There are some posts that are in other threads that we clean up and chronic wholesale repliers will get a cease and desist PM from a mod.

[Swordfish]

Quote:Interesting to see the other players on the Kroll board of directors.

Joseph Buczek, CPA, CFE - Chief Compliance Officer
* Special Agent New York, Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).
* Spent four years at Arthur Andersen.

J. Philip Casey - President and CEO
* VP Primenet Data Systems, Inc. from 1994 to 1995
* VP Jordan Industries, Inc. from 1991 to 1993
* VP, COO Lifetouch, Inc. from 1984 to 1991
* Senior marketing and sales positions with Official Airline Guidelines, Inc. and American Airlines. pre-1984

Kroll is a subsidiary of Altegrity which is owned by Providence Equity Partners which is a prime investor in the following corporations:

ABTL (Indus Towers)
AcadeMedia
Altegrity
Archipelago Learning
Ascend Learning
AutoTrader.com
Canal Digitaal Satelliet
CDW
Com Hem
CSDVRS
Decision Resources
Digiturk
Edline
Education Management Corporation
Estro
Grupo Corporativo Ono
Grupo TorreSur
Hulu
Idea Cellular
ikaSystems
ITT Educational Services
NEW Asurion
NexTag
Open Solutions
Pluris
Qiyi
SRA International
Stream Global Services
Study Group
SunGard
Survey Sampling
TDC
Telcordia
Trilogy International Partners
TVB
UMI
Univision Communications
Vendome
Virtual Radiologic Corporation
Volia
Warner Music Group
WhitePages
World Triathlon Corporation
Yankees Entertainment and Sports Network
ZeniMax Media

.. and formerly:

360 Networks
American Cellular
Bresnan Communications
Brooks Fiber Properties
Casema
Craig Media
Digiplex
eircom
Global Metro Networks
Kabel Deutschland
Kerasotes Theatres
Language Line Services
Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer
MetroNet
MobileServ
PanAmSat
Powerfone Holdings
ProSiebenSat.1
Recoletos Grupo de Comunicación
The Marks Group
UOL
Verio
VoiceStream Wireless
Western Wireless
WNP Communications

Soruce: http://www.provequity.com/portfolio/inde...ion=0,2,1&

Well for a start I can see the above section twice

Not having a go, just that its hard to see what people are trying to say or follow a thread when this happens.
In academic circles you would make your point (in the main text) and only quote relevant phrases or specific sections which support your point. This is not the same as quoting whole articles. If you provide a link then anyone who wants to see the full article can click on it.

Copying and pasting is a tool of satan

[FastTadpole]

Seems I double posted. Redundancy deleted.

Quote:Copying and pasting is a tool of satan

lol. I copy pasted this^

[Dunamis]

(08-19-2011 07:07 AM)Swordfish Wrote:  In academic circles you would make your point (in the main text) and only quote relevant phrases or specific sections which support your point. This is not the same as quoting whole articles. If you provide a link then anyone who wants to see the full article can click on it.

A good job we aren't among those 'Educated Fools' then, right? A thing I have found handy time and time again, is the fact that the ConCen forum has articles and pieces that have otherwise become unavailable elsewhere. Let alone article changes ("Article Updates" as the sites call them), which we often bypass due to having the originals here

[R.R]

David Starkey On Newsnight (Whites Have Become Blacks)





Starkey is accused of generalising even though he is very clear in mentioning a 'particular type of black culture'. The generalisers are the politically correct fools who are still persisting that the rioting was political in nature. Yes so political that no political symbols were attacked - and it was clearly about employment when 12 year olds were joining in. I agree in principle with Starkey.

The brief mentions of rap music are interesting, it basically suggests that the majority of the looters were consumers of rap music or derivative forms such as grime. The insistence that the rioting was political inspite of the very real political apathy of the majority of rioters suggests something deeper. So we have particular types of culture, music and political movements. It all reminds me of this:

Quote:Next we'll take a look at Theodor Adorno's The Culture Industry (1991) which is a collection of essays written by Adorno on the subject of mass culture. Of particular interest is the essay entitled Culture Industry Reconsidered.



On the term itself, Adorno tells us that 'Culture Industry' was coined by himself (and Max Horkheimer during the writing of Dialectic of Enlightenment) to replace the term 'Mass Culture'. This was done to seperate the idea that culture is something that 'arises spontaneously from the masses themselves'. Later he says that 'industry' is not to be taken too literally and in fact refers more to 'standardisation of the thing itself' and uses the concept of the western (wild west) movie as an example of standardised culture. Essentially then, he is basically saying that a formula is created for particular kinds of cultural expression which more or less become self-perpetuating as producers of the product (Adorno calls film the 'central sector of culture') stick to formulaic and standardised techniques in the production of culture. This evidently can be seen today in all forms of popular culture where, for example, in music almost every song conforms to standardised chordal progressions with little variation (slight modifications in arrangement) or film which makes use of many stock characters. In either case we cannot help but see the creation of stereotypical people associated with consumers of each product, ironically created by the use of stereotypical literary archetypes, which modify the individual. For instance culture has an implicit ability to influence the consumer to the point of adopting lifestyle changes which can readily be seen amongst the various musical sub-genres which, much like religion, all contain culturally acceptable behaviours which are expected to be followed by adherents who have chosen to follow particular cultures more so than others - in other words their most favourite one. Evidently this creates very predictable individuals and, probably from the influence of the use of stereotypes, we can almost tell the mindset, behaviour, intoxicant of choice, social company kept (or sought after) and in some cases the politics of each adherant by a simple glance of the clothes they are wearing or, if in a work environment, the vocabulary used and noted behavioural similarities associated with particular genres. We can look at 'hip-hoppers' and note the incredible similarity in dress (sports clothing), intoxicant (cannabis primarily), culture specific speech and slang and so on. This is obviously not confined to simply hip-hop, it can be seen manifested in the goth sub-culture, where a variant manipulation of symbols creates a different standardised type. Cultures thus can be thought of as societies within societies and conform with what we have already covered with regards to power structures - pyramidical hierarchies where the decision makers, or in this context, trendsetters, occupy a small but disproportionately dominant position and thus are at or very close to the top of the pyramid who influence the producers who are the creators of the product, who then through the appropriate channels filter down to a larger mass of people who consume the product but are usually in no position to also create or influence the direction of the genre. The buyers are no different then, to the lower classes of society who are at the mercy of what the rulers/trendsetters want. Conforming also to observed social phenomenon, we see the near deification or mytholigisation of performers who then become a symbol or further perpetuate an existing archetype within the genre or as an embodiment of an important socially acceptable value. As a further analogy to religion, these deified characters can become modifications of their initial structure and create new sub-cultures. The comparisons to religion are made because of religion's true motive as a social control mechanism masquerading as something else, but once demystified contains very obvious social objectives which are concealed via ideology. Thus, in context of conspiratorial research, every artist doesn't have to be controlled, merely an idea has to be implanted which will be taken up by usually disgruntled individuals who are looking for some variation in standardised consumerist society. Ever vigilant, the authorities can thus create movements which inevitably will become or exert a small political influence in the future via implementing certain values within the consumers who over time will demand change. This is why democracy is the favoured system of totalitarians, the people are forever suggestible to forces they aren't even aware exists and when they exercise their democratic rights for change and are implemented, this serves to 'prove' to the active participants that the political system is 'real' because they were able to modify reality and the rulers ingeniously have their way via this method. Creating change which is wanted is a slow process which will be discussed later but in a nutshell it requires the creation of a pre-propaganda or predictive programming which will over time blossom, if carefully managed, into scripted reality. Mainstream futurologists generally play this role which is basically repeated prophecy or prediction that slowly eliminates resistance to an upcoming social change. The vast reach of the intelligence agencies (and the secret societies before them) is a key area to study in this department. These concepts though are diverting from Adorno's ideas which we'll continue.

Adorno gives examples of the culture industry's ability to standardise things. He compares culture with mass production in capitalist/consumerist society with the creation of various artforms that help create culture. He notes how mass production is a planned system and its products designed for mass consumption, utilising techniques from various fields which as a consequence weaken them. As an example he says how the seriousness of different art is destroyed as 'high art' basically loses it elite qualities (to be fit for a mass audience) and 'low art' loses it's inherent 'rebellious resistance' for the same reason (and also because it becomes part of the power structure), which is very true especially when we see genres that were at once revolutionary or containing a message of rebellion, now becomes another product which removes the want for overthrow of the existing order - rock, hip-hop and the various 60's movements come to mind (these movements can also be seen in context of pre-propaganda for a future intention). Summed up, Adorno says:

'Thus, although the culture industry undeniably
speculates on the conscious and unconscious
state of the millions toward which it is directed,
the masses are not primary, but secondary,
they are an object of calculation; an appendage
of the machinery. The customer is not king, as
the culture industry would have us believe, not its
subject but its object. The very word mass-media,
specially honed for the culture industry, already
shifts the accent onto harmless terrain. Neither is
it a question of primary concern for the masses,
nor of the techniques of communication as such,
but of the spirit which sufflates them, their master's
voice.' P.99

Continuing, Adorno says that 'the entire practice of the culture industry transfers the profit motive naked onto cultural forms' which stems from a 'realization of their value' as a way to earn a living by the creators of arts (this also means that anything that can become a commodity can also become a tool of social manipulators). The culture industry however, because of the requirements of mass production, removes the autonomy involved in works of art, which is readily observable by the number of 'sell-outs' we see in the music industry; the message is modified in order to appeal to larger numbers of people and thus conforms to the most popular messages regardless of the artist's agreement with the new message or not and their later material is cognizant of this fact which then destroys the individuality of the artist. The profit motive becomes standard fare to the point that it is taken for granted and no longer the primary motivation of the culture industry:

'Ultimately, the culture industry no longer even
needs to directly pursue everywhere the profit
interests from which it originated. These
interests have become objectified in its ideology
and have made themselves independant of the
compulsion to sell the cultural commodities which
must be swallowed anyway. The culture
industry turns into public relations, the
manufacturing of 'goodwill' per se, without regard
for particular firms or saleable objects.' P.100

Of course 'public relations' was what 'propaganda' became. According to Jacques Ellul, who wrote the book on propaganda, we must never divorce the idea that 'propaganda amongst the masses goes hand in hand with organizing the masses', it always contains the intent for action - to mobilise large groups of people into action (generally political). This is a key concept to understand and to see how music has often been intertwined with revolutionary movements in the past. In a sociological context, music can be a key ingredient in creating social solidarity and in earlier examples had a ritual basis where alongside ritual chanting (mantras) and other consciousness alterring methods such as rhythmic drumming and the use of mind-alterring substances, served to create what can cynically be called a brainwashed public periodically realigning its loyalties to the early versions of the state. To take it further we still see this happening today with the obligatory nightclub ritual of modern youth, who intoxicate themselves with a mix of drugs and alcohol and 'lose themselves' in the looped drum based music of modern times and perform, albeit rather poorly, the synchronised mass dancing of ancient tribal societies. The repetitive drum patterns, especially in 'dance' music, create a relaxed mindset, which is ultimately highly suggestible. Some studies have found that listening to certain classical music pieces can increase intelligence because of the unpredictable nature of complex music - the brain is on alert in order to assimilate the song. Perhaps predictable music, as in the case with popular music which generally follows the structure of intro-verse-chorus-verse-slight modifications, can almost 'switch the brain off so to speak' due to the predictable nature of the upcoming experience. We are most comfortable if we feel we know what is going to happen next and therfore relax. This relaxation helps create the feelings of escapism in people who 'club' regularly. Of course this relaxation intertwined with the use of intoxicants (although a simple change of clothing or even the effects created by music are enough, what is wanted is a change in consciousness and clothing can change a persons perception of self, sometimes even bringing out an alter-ego) brings about pleasurable feelings deemed therapeutic to the individual and necessary to cope with modern life. This escapist nature conforms to Huxley's remarks about the love of servitude and is another example of the bread and circuses provided by the state to appease its slaves, a method (in maintenance of control context that was probably learned when Brazillian slaves were allowed to sing and dance as it raised their morale and work output). It can be summed up in the phrase 'Thank God It's Friday'. Incidently a number of under-18 nightclubs are springing up in the US and UK. More extreme or radical political ideologies have often recruited new members via the club route as can be seen in many neo-Nazi movements, who may be deployed by their groups which ultimately lead to certain ideas discounted through associationism in mainstream political discourse, conforming to counter-intelligence methods employed by various intelligence agencies and these connections are very real especially when one studies the number of white supremacist groups that are handled by intelligence agencies. Other methods include the further creation of collectivist ideologies as can be seen in movements which have a high estimation of leftist politics intertwined with feminist ideas and spiritualist naturalism or mystic metaphysics which inevitably lead one to the many new age systems of thought (as can be seen in the influence of occultism within Hollywood and the music industry). Irrespective of the truth value of whatever each genre promotes, the goal is to categorise people into groups which makes one very predictable and thus manageable. Also the club environment provides the very promiscuity in society as remarked in the discussion on Huxley's Brave New World.

I have just realised that I have not actually used much of Adorno's essay in this post, merely written down whatever thoughts have been triggered by a few quotes. Therfore I'll end with a few selected quotes from the essay:

'Its ideology above all makes use of the star
system, borrowed from individualistic art and its
commercial exploitation. The more dehumanized
its methods of operation and content, the more
diligently and successfully the culture industry
propagates supposedly great personalities and
operates with heart-throbs'. P.101

'The phrase, the world wants to be deceived,
has become truer than had ever been intended.
People are not only, as the saying goes, falling
for the swindle; if it guarantees them even the
most fleeting gratification they desire a deception
which is nonetheless transparent to them. They
force their eyes shut and voice approval, in a
kind of selfloathing, for what is meted out to
them, knowing fully the purpose for which it is
manufactured. Without admitting it they sense
that their lives would be completely intolerable
as soon as they no longer clung to satisfactions
which are none at all.' P.103

'The concepts of
order which it hammers into human beings are
always those of the status quo. They remain
unquestioned, unanalyzed and undialectically
presupposed, even if they no longer have any
substance for those who accept them. In
contrast to the Kantian, the categorical
imperative of the culture industry no longer has
anything in common with freedom. It proclaims:
you shall conform, without instruction as to what;
conform to that which exists anyway, and to that
which everyone thinks anyway as a reflex of its
power and omnipresence. The power of the culture
industry's ideology is such that conformity has
replaced consciousness.' P.104

'While it claims to lead the perplexed, it deludes
them with false conflicts which they are to
exchange for their own. It solves conflicts for
them only in appearance, in a way that they can
hardly be solved in their real lives. In the products
of the culture industry human beings get into
trouble only so that they can be rescued unharmed,
usually by representatives of a benevolent collective;
and then in empty harmony, they are reconciled with
the general, whose demands they had experienced at
the outset as irreconcilable with their interests. For
this purpose the culture industry has developed
formulas which even reach into such non-conceptual
areas as light musical entertainment. Here too one
gets into a 'jam', into rhythmic problems, which can
be instantly disentangled by the triumph of the
basic beat.' P.103-104

'The concoctions of the culture industry are neither
guides for a blissful life, nor a new art of moral
responsibility, but rather exhortations to toe the line,
behind which stand the most powerful interests. The
consensus which it propagates strengthens blind,
opaque authority.' P.105

'This potential, however, lies in the promotion and
exploitation of the egoweakness to which the
powerless members of contemporary society,
with its concentration of power, are condemned.
Their consciousness is further developed
retrogressively. It is no coincidence that cynical
American film producers are heard to say that
their pictures must take into consideration the
level of eleven-year-olds. In doing so they
would very much like to make adults into
eleven-year-olds.' P.105

'In so far as the culture industry arouses a
feeling of well-being that the world is precisely
in that order suggested by the culture industry,
the substitute gratification which it prepares
for human beings cheats them out of the same
happiness which it deceitfully projects. The
total effect of the culture industry is one of
anti-enlightenment, in which, as Horkheimer
and I have noted, enlightenment, that is the
progressive technical domination of nature,
becomes mass deception and is turned into a
means for fettering consciousness. It impedes
the development of autonomous, independent
individuals who judge and decide consciously for
themselves. These, however, would be the
precondition for a democratic society which needs
adults who have come of age in order to sustain
itself and develop. If the masses have been unjustly
reviled from above as masses, the culture industry
is not among the least responsible for making them
into masses and then despising them, while
obstructing the emancipation for which human
beings are as ripe as the productive forces of the
epoch permit.' P.106

http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?t...#pid218925

[R.R]

Quote:If David Starkey is racist then so is everybody

By James Delingpole Politics Last updated: August 14th, 2011

Driving back from my holiday in Wales, yesterday, I realised what a lucky escape I’d had. As I exited the hills and finally got my mobile phone reception back, there was an old message from Friday inviting me to appear on that evening’s Newsnight to talk about the riots. So it could have been me that fell into the BBC’s “raaaacist” trap instead of poor old David Starkey.

And make no mistake it was a trap. Starkey’s debating opponent was Owen Jones, the BBC’s new pet angry young socialist whose default position is perpetual umbrage and righteous rage on behalf of the poor, working class, oppressed and – since Friday, apparently – black people. It’s a cheap trick but one that goes down very well at the BBC, which is why they have Jones back so often. What it achieves, while cleverly avoiding the need for debate on facts (never the liberal-Left’s strong point), is to imply that anyone on the right is evil, selfish, bullying, wrong or – that ne plus ultra of Lefty insults – raaaacist.

In his brilliant analysis of the episode, Toby Young mentioned one of Jones’s weaselly, disingenuous interventions:

He then went on to make an almost equally controversial observation about the Labour MP for Tottenham. “Listen to David Lammy, an archetypical successful black man,” he said. “If you turned the screen off so you were listening to him on radio you’d think he was white.”

Owen Jones leapt on this: “You said David Lammy when you heard him sounded white and what you meant by that is that white people equals respectable.”

This is classic Owen Jones, classic BBC. Note that what Starkey is saying here is actually pretty reasonabble. If you listened to David Lammy on the radio you could indeed very easily think that his educated, non-ethnically identifiable (and mildly effete) speaking voice belonged to a white person rather than a black person. But in Jones’s world – and that of his puppetmaster the BBC – the truth in these matters is no defence.

Oh the sanctimoniousness with which the Twitterati piled in!

Here’s the BBC’s Robert Peston:

David Starkey’s nasty ignorance is best ignored, not worthy of comment or debate – though I fear there will be a media feeding frenzy

Here’s that model of probity Piers Morgan:

RIP David Starkey’s TV career. And good riddance. Racist idiot. #Newsnight

And here, least excusably I think, is the former Louise Bagshawe.

I see “David Starkey” is the top trending topic in the UK. Positive aspect to all this is that racism of that sort still has power to shock.

Now the last time I looked Louise Mensch was a Tory MP and what I’d like to know is: since when was it Conservative party policy to play the Left’s game by closing down the argument and stifling freedom of speech? Actually the question is partly rhetorical: it has been Cameron’s policy for some time, as we saw during his disgraceful treatment of Patrick Mercer MP over his remarks on racism in the military. But I do think nonetheless that Louise Mensch owes it to David Starkey to look very hard into her conscience (and her searing intellect, of course) and ask herself: “What exactly did this decent, principled, very soundly Tory historian do to deserve me, Louise Mensch, branding him a racist to my 37,500 chums on Twitter?”

The part of the programme which seems to have most got the Left’s goat is the one where David Starkey says that “the whites have become black.” But again, the cultural point he is making is indisputable. Listen to how many white kids (and Asian kids) choose to speak in black street patois; note the extent to which hip hop and grime garage and their offshoots have penetrated the white mainstream; check out how many white kids like to roll like pimps or perps with their Calvins pulled up to their midriffs and their jean waistbands sagging below their buttocks.

Is anyone seriously going to try to make the case that this isn’t black culture in excelsis? Or does anyone, perhaps, want to persuade me that this is but one tiny and much-exaggerated facet of a broader black culture dominated by opera and madrigal singing and crochet and sonnet-construction and lawn bowls and Shakespeare and new translations of Ovid? If they are capable of doing so then maybe, just maybe, I might accept that there was something demeaning or reductive in Starkey’s comments on black culture. Problem is, I don’t think anyone can. (And I speak, by the way, as someone who quite likes his hop hop and who is very much into the new Kanye West/Jay Z album. But who, listening to it, can’t help noticing that it’s rather more a celebration of gats, hos, casual sex and easy money, than it is an invocation for study, hard work and social conformity.)

To pillory a man for pointing out such a glaringly obvious cultural fact just because he’s white and Right-wing would have been quite wrong even before the riots. Post riots it is positively obscene.

Not just obscene, in fact, but dangerous. Of course, we expect the BBC not to get it. Like the Guardian – and the Labour party – the BBC created the culture that led to these riots, so it’s hardly surprising if it carries on playing the old PC game like the 80s and 90s never went away. But if an up and coming member of Cameron’s Tories hasn’t got the message then we seriously need to worry. The riots were a game changer. The decent majority of this country has moved on. If what David Starkey said was racist, then so are we all.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesd...everybody/

I'd recommend Lenon Honors' Hip Hop, The Hidden Hand & The Degradation of Black Masculinity (part 1A) as it has a lot of relevance to looking at these events at a deeper level. 26 parts in total:

[Negentropic]

Quote:Before spending the autumn touring America, the Zappa band came to Europe for seven dates, five in Germany, one in Sweden and one in England. No less than four were open-air festivals, including that in the grounds of Knebworth House which also featured the Boomtown Rats, Peter Gabriel and the Tubes. After the first gig in Ulm on August 26, Frank had intended to stay in Munich, but his request for a piano in his suite could not be met. So, reluctantly, he came to London and took a four-room suite on the fifth floor of the Hyde Park Hotel. Hugh Fielder went to meet the Anglophobe.

"I hate playing in England," Frank declared. "I don't mind playing in Europe too much. The audiences on the Continent are pretty good. I can't stand this place, though. It's the people . . . the thing that's always depressed me about the English audience is that they're oriented towards dressing up and queuing up and anything in between that is irrelevant." Fiedler pointed out that he'd sold out six shows on his last visit. "God knows why, " Frank replied. "I mean, even when they're clapping it doesn't feel right to me. It's like they like you for the wrong reason."

In our conversation, Frank's reaction to London audiences proved to be only part of a wider-ranging antagonism. "On each successive visit," he said in 1991, "I saw Britain turning into a Third World country, much like our own here. People being depressed, getting meaner, getting more desperate and things getting more peculiar. Behavior becoming more peculiar. And that's saying something, because it was plenty peculiar in 1967. Things got meaner and cheaper and dirtier and it started to remind me of the kind of growth decay that happens in large US cities, where things just fall apart. And the main thing that you feel when you arrive in the city is just a big ball of hatred that's not especially directed at anybody or anything, it's just, Hate lives there."


from Electric Don Quixote, the definitive story of Frank Zappa, Neil Slaven

[R.R]

(08-19-2011 01:50 PM)Dunamis Wrote:  A thing I have found handy time and time again, is the fact that the ConCen forum has articles and pieces that have otherwise become unavailable elsewhere. Let alone article changes ("Article Updates" as the sites call them), which we often bypass due to having the originals here

Very good point and something worth dwelling upon in the future as hardcopy books and newspapers are replaced with their electronic versions that can only be accessed online meaning the 'updates' are permanent, the originals will not have the option to save and tptb can manipulate history much easier - and we all remember the famous Orwell quote:

'he who controls the past controls the future,
and he who controls the present controls the past.'

Its the same sort of thing that happened with older books where the newer editions edited out a lot of very revealing information. Quigley's Tragedy and Hope comes to mind with the original plates being destroyed or the various 1st editions of older books that are either no longer available or sell at very high prices - with the usual spin that their rarity induces a high price. The electronic updates give propaganda a greater efficiency - once again further proof that technology isn't exactly as freedom friendly as advocates would have us believe - the myth of technology as a liberator.

I'm sure all the tablets, ebook readers and other mobile devices are training the public to eventually accept the elimination of the hardcopy, much like how the contemporary habits emerging from the use of social media and associated technologies are modifying the hardwiring of the mind and churning out a non-thinking, multi-tasking automaton, primarily because the occupations of the future will require these skills. You can read more about that in James Harkin's Cyburbia: The Dangerous Idea That's Changing How we Live and Who we Are.



Suffice it to say, this training of the public forms part of what was called network centric-warfare, which itself came out of the concept that motivates modern intelligence/military behaviour: Full-spectrum dominance.



http://colorrevolutionsandgeopolitics.bl...arian.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full-spectrum_dominance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network-centric_warfare

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Negentropic Wrote:And the main thing that you feel when you arrive in the city is just a big ball of hatred that's not especially directed at anybody or anything, it's just, Hate lives there.

I get that exact feeling whenever I go to London. There does seem to be a pent-up aggression and you can definately feel it but you can't quite put your finger on what it is. Maybe this hatred was from years of preparation for the mobilisation of groups to vent their frustrations.......

[Dunamis]

(08-22-2011 11:59 AM)R.R Wrote:  I get that exact feeling whenever I go to London. There does seem to be a pent-up aggression and you can definately feel it but you can't quite put your finger on what it is. Maybe this hatred was from years of preparation for the mobilisation of groups to vent their frustrations.......

Just be aware that London is not the England I am native to. I have been to London only twice, and have no great desire to leave England again (so won't be going there for anything other than activism maybe).

[Swordfish]

Quote:the ConCen forum has articles and pieces that have otherwise become unavailable elsewhere. Let alone article changes ("Article Updates" as the sites call them), which we often bypass due to having the originals here

@ Dunamis.
You are making a totally different point to the one I am making. Any articles are indeed useful and the forum has a place where they can be uploaded for posterity.

My thread was about unnecessary copying and pasting (ie quoting someone elses full message)in replys within a thread PLUS unnecessary copying and pasting when anyone who really wants the full unadulterated detail can find this very easily by putting in a link to an article etc if its easily available OR by linking to where it can be found ie on the forum in the correct place NOT as one of a hundred replies to a thread.

...I didnt for example need to quote every sentence in this reply (ie the quotation) because it just wasnt necessary to give it meaning.

for example: Look at the messages in this thread from RR.
I have no idea of what point he/she is making as I can be bothered to read the approx 3,000 word copy and pasted quotation he has inserted into the message.
Whatever worthy point is within this is completely lost.

If I want to make a point about the bible and christianity it isnt necessary for me to copy and paste the whole of the old testament to point out the inconsistencies in the creation story... I can quote a couple of sentences and give a link for anyone who has more time on their hands than most people have if they really want to get some intimate detail.

It is the forum equivalent of my granny taking an hour to tell me every single detail of the time she gets up in the morning till she finally gets to an interesting part about the neighbours dog (what she had for breakfast, a full transcript of the conversation she had with the neighbour, what she replied, etc etc
All I am suggesting is that not everything in academia is from the dark side, and in this case it is there to help the communication process.

....and dont even get me started on using paragraphs and sub headings