100% Conclusive Proof of No-Planes & TV-Fakery on 9/11 in under 8 minutes

[Negentropic]

(11-26-2010 06:43 PM)JFK Wrote:  

(11-12-2010 07:31 PM)icosaface Wrote:  They found plane parts on the roof of a nearby building and then stopped publicising it because the wings and other sections of the supposed wreckage were in good shape and not consistent with a crash scenario, not to mention trying to explain how the parts could have ended up where they did.

Actually it was Louis Briendel, AKA Scaffoldrider who found those parts on the nearby roof. I have been in contact with him and there were serial numbers stamped into the parts he photographed as well as the ones he did not. Those numbers never made it into the public record. If they had a lot of this debate would be moot as I also have contacts which could cross reference those numbers and tell if those parts were actually installed on the planes in question.

The engine left a damage path since it bounced off the top outer edge of another buildings roof before landing in the street, but yes, every moving part within it has a stamped unique serial number which also never made it into the public record.

There is also a wheel assembly embedded in a perimeter column section which landed in the street, the brake assembly within that wheel assembly would also have stamped serial numbers.

The PTB want this debate to go on, if they didn't they would simply release all the info.

Too bad so many of you do not see this.

Sorry but that doesn't make one bit of sense. If THEY HAVE numbered plane parts that they found these secret contacts of yours no one else knows about then they should release it. To say that they HAVE IT but are keeping it secret is no proof at all. This is like Rivero of What Really Happened saying all those years ago that they have the Pentagon footage of the plane & ANY DAY NOW they're going to release it & make all you Pentagon No-Planers look really really bad and crazy and what the hell happened? Nothing ever got released and furthermore, to the best of my knowledge, Rivero still hasn't admitted he was dead wrong!

The plane-huggers either find the plane parts that they claim exist in HIDDEN CUSTODY or they have no case at all. If there were plane parts on the friggin roof then the Indestructible black boxes should have survived for sure, right? Where are they?

After they find the plane parts & match it to the planes WHICH THEY HAVEN'T DONE, all you plane-huggers and Alex Jones / Dylan Avery followers still need to find ONE SINGLE AUTHENTIC VIDEO of a real plane crashing into to towers that is not doctored with fakery.

Let Nico Haupt, Avery's arch enemy, the guy Kurt Nimmo was calling Cointelpro a few years ago for bothering them at ground zero every year, lay it down for you guys:

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(11-26-2010 10:12 PM)JazzRoc Wrote:  It's just another somewhat defective drive with the usual agenda to make something out of poor video definition, and a truly sad understanding of physics.
It's just another "God of the gaps".
The only utility it possesses is that of demonstrating exactly who needs some training in reason and logic.
100% "conclusive proof"?
Not an iota....

Actually since you do not possess high quality authentic video of planes hitting towers & NO ONE ELSE DOES EITHER, and all the videos that have EVER BEEN SHOWN TO ANYONE ANYWHERE have proven fakery in them, on just what so-called high quality source that you could not have possibley seen are you basing your firmly formed conviction that 125 ton planes really do cut through 500,000 ton steel-&-concrete buildings like a knife through butter with ZERO DECELERATION ON IMPACT (proven in September Clues with frame-by-frame analysis) and then leave no black boxes and no parts for anyone to ever find? Until and unless you show us the high quality video you've seen in your head that no one else has ever seen, we'll have to conclude that your case is faulty and wanting and not the No-Planers'.

Furthermore, like I already told JFK up there, saying that someone told you plane-parts were found that match the planes but THEY'RE KEEPING IT ALL SECRET proves absolutely nothing. You can't prove something by its absence. That's like ten people saying they have the gun you used to kill someone but they can't find it or somebody else came and hid it away and you should stay in jail until they find it. Well, it's been almost 10 years now, how long is the 9/11 truth movement supposed to wait for the plane-huggers to present their plane parts that they claim exist somewhere in some secret warehouse?





The objective of disinformation is not to convince you of one point of view or another, it is to create enough uncertainty so that everything is believable and nothing is knowable. " -- James Fetzer

• “When men are most sure and arrogant they are commonly most mistaken, giving views to passion without that proper deliberation which alone can secure them from the grossest absurdities”
- David Hume

[JFK]

Obviously you did not follow that link to KILLTOWN's site which has the pictures and a synopsis of Louis' story.
( I could have instead linked to my forum, where Louis still posts occasionally, but chose not to ).

The following is from Killtown's photo page :

Louis Briendel Wrote:"Working at the Federal Building [U.S. Post Office], it was our job to hang swing stage scaffolds from the 7th floor setback roof... While moving one of these 7 foot pieces of aluminum I noticed what looked like an airplane part. I picked it up and it had a serial number on it and something in writing "hydraulic piston"... About a half hour later, the Postal Investigator and an FBI Agent came up to the setback roof. I was asked where exactly did I find it and not to remove anything else, especially anything spray painted in yellow paint... I had my camera and headed for the upper roof and I couldn't believe what I saw. There was a large piece of a landing gear and pieces of airplane parts all over the roof. I took many pictures and quickly left the roof... I'm a construction worker and have almost no knowledge of photography, my pictures are real and authentic and have never been altered in any way. - Louis" -

As far as the location of the plane parts, there is a news clip about an underground site in Pa. called Iron mountain. They briefly mention flight 93's remains being stored there within that clip.
That clip is on Youtube, but I do not have a URL handy.

Quote:Furthermore, like I already told JFK up there, saying that someone told you plane-parts were found that match the planes

Please show me where I said that.

What I said was if the serial numbers were released, I could have them verified ( and yes, my contacts prefer to remain anonymous, the reason is people like yourself ).
Of course I expect no less than outright lies and gross distortions of truth from you no planers.

BTW, I am unable to watch youtubes over this connection... and in fact am lucky to even be able to post over it.

Regardless in my opinion Nico Haupt is a lunatic. Nothing more, nothing less.

Quote:and all the videos that have EVER BEEN SHOWN TO ANYONE ANYWHERE have proven fakery in them

So I can assume that you have personally been through the 83.9 Gb of video recently released in the "Cumulus release" ?

The Magnet URI for that is magnet:?xt=urn:btih:RMQRHVHRS47KTRWKJWRPWNNHOOUP7AZ7 for those interested. ( uTorrent is telling me 5 years to infinity till completion, due to my piss poor connection )

I also doubt that the Sheraton video ( No, not the doubletree video ) is in that release, which would clear up what actually happened at the Pentagon.

[rsol]

Quote:"500,000 ton steel-&-concrete buildings like a knife through butter with ZERO DECELERATION ON IMPACT (proven in September Clues with frame-by-frame analysis) and then leave no black boxes and no parts for anyone to ever find? Until and unless you show us the high quality video you've seen in your head that no one else has ever seen, we'll have to conclude that your case is faulty and wanting and not the No-Planers'. "

Whats interesting about your assertion is...aparently these videos were faked. yet you believe in this frame by frame analysis. which is it? I can show you other frame by frame analysis to counter. whould you believe it?

Do you know what video compression is? do you know what aliasing is? why do you expect high quality video cameras to be available to the general public at affordable rates? Is TV quality footage not good enough for you? do you understand aperture? do you understand focal length? do you understand interlacing? If you answer yes to these...please start using this information and deceminate what you have been told. Ill repeat.....WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD....

oh and one last point. you assert that the plane hit a 500,000 ton building. it was in fact a 154,000 ton building. Also the plane did not hit a 154kton building. It hit a WALL that was part of said building. that wall was not in the kiloton region AT ALL. think.

Quote:"You can't prove something by its absence."

Thats right so..........you have alot of work ahead of you.

[JFK]

The best quality fairbanks footage which I have been able to find is located on a debunking website, and it is a zoomed in clip of the impact. ( Yes, even better than the one you pointed me towards rsol )

It has a framerate of 60 fps, but a frame is apparantly missing thus royally screwing up my calculations/plot... Nevertheless there is visable deceleration from the point of engine contact until the tail vanishes.

The webpage ( near the bottom ) - http://questionsquestions.net/WTC/pod.html
The clip - http://questionsquestions.net/WTC/podima...kszoom.mov

Edit to add - I just noticed that the NIST Cumulus FOIA release also has about 95 Mb of Fairbanks videos, I am currently attempting to download those. ( magnet:?xt=urn:btih:RMQRHVHRS47KTRWKJWRPWNNHOOUP7AZ7 )

[rsol]

(12-02-2010 04:09 PM)JFK Wrote:  The best quality fairbanks footage which I have been able to find is located on a debunking website, and it is a zoomed in clip of the impact. ( Yes, even better than the one you pointed me towards rsol )

It has a framerate of 60 fps, but a frame is apparantly missing thus royally screwing up my calculations/plot... Nevertheless there is visable deceleration from the point of engine contact until the tail vanishes.

The webpage ( near the bottom ) - http://questionsquestions.net/WTC/pod.html
The clip - http://questionsquestions.net/WTC/podima...kszoom.mov

Edit to add - I just noticed that the NIST Cumulus FOIA release also has about 95 Mb of Fairbanks videos, I am currently attempting to download those. ( magnet:?xt=urn:btih:RMQRHVHRS47KTRWKJWRPWNNHOOUP7AZ7 )

Im expecting that to be pseudo 60fps deinterlacing. im expecting blocky on the horizontal lines. still perfectly good for use tho...

how many pixels long is the plane?

[JFK]

(12-02-2010 05:16 PM)rsol Wrote:  Im expecting that to be pseudo 60fps deinterlacing. im expecting blocky on the horizontal lines. still perfectly good for use tho...

You would think that NIST of all organizations could make decent copies of the originals. < shrugs >

(12-02-2010 05:16 PM)rsol Wrote:  how many pixels long is the plane?

In the video I referenced above, 133 or 134 pixels, depending upon the frame.

[rsol]

Quote:You would think that NIST of all organizations could make decent copies of the originals.

that's as artefact free as you can get it. anything else is blending and distortion. its best to raw image plus this was a tv camera standard i think. so probably recording broadcast quality. hes hating using high speed cuz he keeps trying to get his settings right. probs more used to filming 24hz moody stuff...

Quote:In the video I referenced above, 133 or 134 pixels, depending upon the frame.

ok cool is it as i say? can you zoom in without blurring the pixels and check that they are stretched vertically?

also could you give me a run down of the codec and the rates used? even frame interleaving..whatever you can.... its important for motion detection. too loose and timing can get shot in action.

[Negentropic]

Collin Alexander aka 'Ace' Baker shows you exactly how fake video compositing is done at Jim Fetzer's 2007 Wisonsin 9/11 conference.

Best source of audio archives for educating yourself on No-Planes-Video-Fakery-Directed-Energy-Weapons, topics which will get you instantly banned from the infowars & loose-change forums is on Andrew Johnson's Checktheevidence.com site:

http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/91...order=desc

He even edited all the commercials & most of the bumper music out so all you get is straight hardcore info and nothing but.

For tons of detailed info on video-fakery / No-Planes, I would start off by listening to all the Ace Baker, Killtown & Morgan Reynolds interviews.


"The only one who knows this ounce of words is just a token is he who has a tongue to tell but must remain unspoken." -- Moondog

[Negentropic]

Quote:Whats interesting about your assertion is...aparently these videos were faked. yet you believe in this frame by frame analysis. which is it? I can show you other frame by frame analysis to counter. whould you believe it?

You got it backwards. All the videos are fake & one of the main reasons they are fake is because the frame-by-frame shows no deceleration whatsoever upon impact. You can't show a different frame by frame analysis on any of these videos (which by the way would still have to show deceleration) unless you get a higher quality video which has more frames per second which you do not have & nobody else has either. You just assume that it exists and any day now or maybe 20 years after the event when you're living in a worldwide totalitarian state those bitchen people inside the government that love you so much will release it for everyone's enlightenment. Well, keep dreaming because that's never going to happen.

Anyone can see at this point that if they had plane parts they would release it and if they had real video with frame-by-frame that shows a real impact & deceleration they would release that also to lessen the smell of their pile of bullcrap which already stinks to high-heaven on the 10 second dustification of 100 story buildings with only ground level debris at noon on September 11th with building 7 still standing in the background (the famous photo at Judy Wood's site which I hope all you genius know-it-alls here have seen; the debris for a 100 story demolition should be somewhere between 12 to 30 stories, what exactly was it that, according to Alex Jones, Guiliani supposedly shipped to China, when the photo here shows only ground level debris at noon on 9/11 ?).
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/dirt/...earch2.jpg



Figure 10. WTC6, an 8-story building, towers over the "rubble pile" remaining from WTC1 and 2. We know this photo was taken before noon on 9/11/01. WTC7 can be seen in the distance. The Verizon Building is at a distance on the left.


(9/11/01) Source and here

http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/...earch2.jpg

http://www.september11news.com/JamesNach...earch2.jpg




Directory Listing of /audio/911/:
http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/911/

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"The objective of disinformation is not to convince you of one point of view or another, it is to create enough uncertainty so that everything is believable and nothing is knowable. " -- James Fetzer

[rsol]

interesting you go for a video made in 2007 when such software was available for download by an individual.
He could of done that by 2005 maybe. go have a look what the TIP TOP 3d experiments were in 2001. what the pioneers were doing. and most of them were using stuff like http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=27532 to make technological wonders.

The very idea that real time rendered, multi angle.... LIVE(!) 3d augmented reality could even get close. inaccuracies are still being ironed out NOW in 2011. the technology for such stuff was beyond even major picture production companies.

Just because some guys can fake it in their bedroom 6 years later on out-of-the box software just after the biggest technology boom ever seen. it doesn't make it gospel. who did they hire? industrial light and magic? pixar?

[Negentropic]

(01-31-2011 10:21 PM)rsol Wrote:  interesting you go for a video made in 2007 when such software was available for download by an individual.
He could of done that by 2005 maybe. go have a look what the TIP TOP 3d experiments were in 2001. what the pioneers were doing. and most of them were using stuff like http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=27532 to make technological wonders.

The very idea that real time rendered, multi angle.... LIVE(!) 3d augmented reality could even get close. inaccuracies are still being ironed out NOW in 2011. the technology for such stuff was beyond even major picture production companies.

Just because some guys can fake it in their bedroom 6 years later on out-of-the box software just after the biggest technology boom ever seen. it doesn't make it gospel. who did they hire? industrial light and magic? pixar?

Actually they did a half-assed job of compositing the fake videos, probably because with better quality work it would have been even more obvious than it already is that they are embarrassingly fake. Ask yourself this question: why would ALL the major media of the USA show the Live chopper shots (which have the planes go behind the building & then an you see an explosion, not the actual impact) only once or twice and then pull it and never show it again on any TV stations network or cable and then go to these different so-called amateur guys much later in the day, after they've had plenty of time to work on their cheap quality fakery, and use those low quality videos only, showing these over & over again thousands of times?

That's because they screwed up the real-time composited fake live videos so bad that they had no choice but to go to plan B & get these amateurs to fake somewhat more convincing composite videos showing an actual impact of some kind and no plane nose exiting the other side. They also had to make the plane disappear in the building and have no parts falling off and all that, to cover their tracks since they couldn't plant any any authentic plane parts there anyway since their were no planes ! They planted that engine from the wrong plane on Murray street and that wheel unit with the tires still not melted and that was it! That right there should already be enough evidence that they're lying about the whole thing.

The expert in this is Collin Alexander aka 'Ace' Baker. Ace Baker, Simon Shack & Killtown do not agree with each other. Shack & Killtown call him a Mossad agent for having worked for what appears to have been an Israeli front film company making predictive programming B-movies starring ICE T & Coolio (!) prior to 9/11, where the famous 'Harley shirt' 9/11 fake actor also worked previously.





This guy gets his lawyer to force You Tube to take these videos down as soon as they get a few thousand views because he has been identified and he denies that he's the Harley shirt guy.

Baker calls Shack controlled opposition, blah blah blah, same old story you see everywhere in the 9/11 truth movement, total deadlock and stale mate with everyone attacking everyone else. If you haven't listened to ALL of Ace Baker's Audios done a few years ago with Jim Fetzer, back when Fetzer was still on GCN, right before AJ got Ted Anderson to kick him out for being a No-Planer, I would strongly suggest that you do so (see the link below). Later Baker faked his own suicide on the same show and broke off with Fetzer also, calling him controlled opposition. He covers all the bases, including the video technology available then and now and what was possible then and what is possible now (up to 2009), the details of how it was probably done, Anthony Lawson's supposed debunkings of Shack, brings up where Lawson was correct about September Clues & Shack was wrong & also where Lawson was dead wrong, etc. I'm not an expert on video, I'm just another guy using common sense.

Go over here and click on all the Ace Baker links:

Directory Listing of /audio/911/

http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/911/

After you listen to all the audios you can also go read the comprehensive treatise over here:

http://911composites.wiki-site.com/index.php/Main_Page


In my opinion, somewhere between Baker's treatise & Shack's film is where the truth lies, that's the check-mate for the NWO & that's why so many people are gatekeeping both & maybe even why both of them are attacking each other. It seems amazing to me that they would let agents bring all this information out only to sabotage each and every last one of them with some discrediting connection (Shack saying all the videos are fake, not just the plane parts, Baker with his fake suicide and connection to that movie company, Icke with Lizards, Judy Wood with Hutchinson, John Lear with colonies of people living on the moon, Rense with Sasquatch and UFO, DBS and Kaminski with looking for a Jew everytime someone farts, AJ with Arabs own Hollywood and his 17 kosher advertisers & kosher boss at Sirius, Rivero with looking for a Jew everytime someone farts plus Plane at the Pentagon and Moon Landing Yes Yes, Jayhan & McWilliams with their Jesuit Black Pope BS, it goes on and on and on) They all end up as gatekeepers by default if not put there from the very beginning to serve that purpose.

And when someone tells you 'What difference does it make, we know it was an 'Inside job / Outside Israeli job with CIA Insiders' etc., then you've got to remember 'double jeopardy' and that you don't get a second chance to prove the crime. Let's say you go in and try to prove a case for remote-controlled planes. At the very least, you would need plane parts and video that could not be proven fake or else you lose. Since there are no actual recovered plane parts only somebody saying he recovered parts, going in with No-Plane theory with the existing videos would make a much stronger case, since they cannot prove that the available low quality videos are real. The defense would have to somehow pull plane parts & new authentic high-quality video out of their collective NWO buttcracks to prove their case. The Towers dustified in 10 seconds and not a single computer or cermamic toilet was found in the rubble when there would have been thousands in Nano-Thermate or whatever-the-fuck-they-call-it-now demolition, so good luck finding the plane parts. The Media was complicit from the very beginning as proven 100% by the BBC announcing collapse of building 7 while it was still standing behind the reporter. If they were complicit in that, you can bet your fanny they were complicit in the rest too, in fact, Shack already proved it using their own aired video in under 8 minutes. Waiting for some mysterious high quality video to somehow emerge and save the day after 10 years seems to me quite a pointless exercise in futility.

[rsol]

ahh but you make the mistake. compositing cannot be achieved in real time without some predefined seperators like colour flooding(green screen) to any effect.

This is a distraction and an insult to the intelligence of most thinking people. Thats why its attacked. the paranoia associated with this has led believers to assume that the rest of the movement are gate keepers. if i was going to try and undermine a movement this no-plane thing is just the thing. its got barbs attached. plausable for the gullable. causes rifts and doesnt cost anything. genius!

This is moon landings, ufos and other dimensional rationalism.

Look these up.

augmented reality.
camera motion tracking.
motion vector based video compression.
aliasing on digital video

LEARN!
If you had read the thread you would kow there were plane parts found. this is a nothing and a waste. you talk of evidence yet anyone who has bothered to look, and i have can see the whole concept is shaky. delve even on a surface level and this just doesnt have anything to support it.

[icosaface]

No plane parts were found that had tracking serial numbers on them that were reported!


Or do you have evidence to the contrary?

As far as what the state of the art of video technology was on Sept 11, 2001, we don't know. Who knows what they have stashed in the vault!

The foregoing doesn't prove that planes didn't crash into the two towers.

[rsol]

Quote:As far as what the state of the art of video technology was on Sept 11, 2001, we don't know. Who knows what they have stashed in the vault!

actualy we do. its called history. being that type of guy i have watched as people started from tracking movement from the early days of cartoons up to people wearing funny suits with ping pong balls stuck on them. image based tracking and uses of vector based video compression for accurate (ish) camera tracking. I actually do know the state of the art now and knew it then.

Heres what we DO know REGARDLESS OF PROCESSING POWER.

Technology for developing this was barely at the stage of pioneering. the best of the best were just about showing stuff like this at siggraph. if you dont recognise that name i suggest you look it up. This does not mean that there was an award winning perfect version, off the shelf and ready for use by anyone with the cash.

WE DO KNOW OUR HISTORY IF WE ARE PREPARED TO LOOK.

what you should understand is that there is a rule to technology. visual invention and software development rarely happens on big huge monster machines. they tend to be on whatever beast the programmer can rig up. the standards of such software is subject to the proccessing power of the machine. These are and were considered "plugins" for other rendering software and have to be able to work in realtime and in small measure but scale up to high level rendering too. mantra of video production programming..

As far as evidence for this you can see jfk has already put that to rest. but then again.... perhaps hes actually an artificial intelligence bot programmed to hunt out no-plane theories in order to debunk them? perhaps. seeing as if "they" are 10 years ahead of the people paid 10x more than ANY government worker. i must be living in the matrix by now.

where do you think the power structure to this house of cards really ends? are we also fighting secret intergalactic wars too? how much power do you think these people have?

For every frame of animation you have more and more people involved in a conspiracy that includes the truth movement, the local and national news and now the most talented people in hollywood CGI.

I am just asking......does not one logic alarm sound at all?

[icosaface]

Actually, history is written by the winners lackies and spread by the winners ppropaganda corpse. We don`t know what they have. But we can throw a monkeywrench into the works by using the internet, an end run around their maginot line.