Protest Against Israeli Ambassador

[joeblow]

Protest Against Israeli Ambassador



Israel's Ambassador to the United States, Michael Oren, at UC Irvine , February 8, 2010.

The UCI students might face suspension or expulsion.
You can help by voicing your support.

Contact UCI Chancellor Michael Drake NOW to declare that it is unjust to arrest these students.

Ask to speak with Chancellor Drake or leave a message at: (949) 824 5011 and email him at: chancellor@uci.edu

Ask to speak to the Dean of Students office, who are handling the case at: (949) 824-5181 and email them at: deanstu@uci.edu

Here are some important points to bring up:

· It was unjust to arrest students for simply having the courage to stand up and speak out against a man responsible for propagating the deaths of thousands of innocent people.

· Civil disobedience has historically played an instrumental role in the civil rights movement in America that eventually ensured equality and human rights for all minorities.

· Michael Oren is a representative of a state that is condemned by more UN Human Rights Council resolutions than all other countries in the world and he should not be honored at UC Irvine.

· As concerned community members, we will not support an educational institution that threatens to punish its students with suspension and expulsion for standing up for their principles.
Category: News & Politics

[icosaface]

Way to go, make waves. Thanks Joe.

[FastTadpole]

Although their hearts are in the right place, more needs to be done than heckling, which can prove counter-productive.

Quote:Campus claws: beating Israel lobbyists through debate
By Paul J. Balles

Paul J. Balles cautions pro-Palestinian activists against simply shouting down speakers who represent their enemy, arguing that, to win hearts and minds, they should instead “learn to express themselves well enough to challenge their adversaries” and they should prepare for and encourage debates.

"We claim to be just and upright. No wrath from us will come stealthily to the one who holds out clean hands, and he will go through life unharmed; but whoever sins and hides his bloodstained hands, as avengers of bloodshed we appear against him to the end, presenting ourselves as upright witnesses for the dead." (Aeschylus, Eumenides 470 BC)

Israel keeps selling disinformation to the public. Channelling it through the media they own and control, the one institution that's difficult to control happens to be the university.

Zionists have spent a great deal of money distributing their propaganda and circulating their image management. On university campuses with significant numbers of Muslim students, the pro-Israel groups don't have quite the freedom to run rampant with their campaigns.

Despite the beatings Muslims have endured in Palestine, their youth who have joined universities have been able to voice their protests, much to the dismay of the Zionists. Others who have sympathized with the plight of the Palestinians have joined them.

Pro-Palestinian students have disrupted speeches by prominent Israeli speakers at Oxford University, in England, at the University of Chicago, the University of California, Los Angeles, Temple University, the University of Pennsylvania, Western Michigan University and, most recently, the University of California at Irvine.

The point they seem to be making, more emphatically than anything else: we're no longer going to sit by while your propagandists come to the university hoping to brainwash the student body.

Of course, there has been resistance on the part of pro-Israeli organizations. Writer Debbie Menon has observed: "Jewish groups have been pushing for state and federal governments to stop criticism of Israel in college campuses since 2005. They claim it is anti-Semitism! Apparently, they fear the growing awareness of college students of Israeli crimes."

Jennifer Jacobson, reporting in the Chronicle of Higher Education, wrote: "Representatives of Jewish groups told the US Commission on Civil Rights … that anti-Semitism and anti-Israel bias are rampant at colleges and universities across the country and that if campus officials fail to stop such abuse, federal and state governments should intervene."

The recent protest at the Irvine campus was doubly unfortunate. The students accomplished very little, and they lost potential sympathizers for the plight of Palestinians at home.

An invited speaker - Michael Oren, Israel's ambassador to the United States - was repeatedly forced to stop his talk. Every few minutes, reports USA Today, "a student would get up, shout something critical of Israel, be applauded by some in the audience, and be led away by police".

A significant lesson for the Muslim students can be found in this. Instead of simply shouting at speakers who represent their enemy, they should learn to express themselves well enough to challenge their adversaries. They should prepare for and encourage debates.

As Jarret S. Lovell, a professor of politics at California State University at Fullerton, said: "The Irvine hecklers should realize what will happen next. It's only a matter of time until (anti-Zionist Jew) Norman Finkelstein speaks at UCI and Jewish groups shout him down."

Though protesters should have every right to distribute leaflets before and after such events, “hecklers’ veto” through disruptive actions does little or nothing to advance their legitimate and deserved cause.

In another context, Congressman Dennis Kucinich said: "How can we justify in effect cancelling the First Amendment and the right of free speech, and the right to peacefully assemble?"

In America, and any country that wants to live with democratic principles, all voices should be free to speak, but the assemblies should be peaceful.

http://digg.com/world_news/Beating_Israe...ugh_debate
http://www.redress.cc/global/pjballes20100222

[joeblow]

(02-20-2010 03:35 PM)FastTadpole Wrote:  Although their hearts are in the right place, more needs to be done than heckling, which can prove counter-productive.

I can not more strongly disagree with you. The exact same tactics worked for the Jews during their attacks on German businesses in America during the 1930s, the successful Marxist Revolution in America during the 1960s and their currently sponsored Antifa worldwide now.

Zionist scum need to be harassed publicly and loudly, especially when they are representatives of the Imperialist Colony of Illegal Aliens torturing the Native Inhabitants of Palestine.

[FastTadpole]

By all means, heckle away but there needs to be points brought up to back it up. Israeli crimes are not as apparent to most as they are to us. The collective consciousness doesn't realize the crimes that are be perpetrated. This is mainly due to all of the media contorting the facts. Best to battle this with getting the truth out by any and all means.

Like it or not more people need to get vocal about it and to turn around their minds they need a more convincing argument than "Israel is committing war crimes". No matter how true that statement rings as it can be easily dismissed by a potential voice in favour of the movements as the hooliganism it has been painted as in the MSM.

Quote:Zionist scum need to be harassed publicly and loudly

I would agree but I'd supplant it with informative and intelligent awareness campaigns to counter the propaganda and an outlet for open table discussion to attract and encourage misinformed people that can be swayed over the fence on this debate.

[joeblow]

(02-20-2010 04:36 PM)FastTadpole Wrote:  By all means, heckle away but there needs to be points brought up to back it up. Israeli crimes are not as apparent to most as they are to us. The collective consciousness doesn't realize the crimes that are be perpetrated. This is mainly due to all of the media contorting the facts. Best to battle this with getting the truth out by any and all means.

I have enough faith that many of the protesters (a lot of who are Palestinians with personal experiences with State-Sponsored Israeli Terrorism) can debate one-on-one with any Zionist. As someone who grew up in America, I can say with all assurity that the General American Public does know well and good by this time that the Palestinians are being Genocided, despite how much the Jewish Controlled Media attempts to distort reality. You say in one breath that what they did was counter-productive and on the other hand to "get the truth out by any and all means", I am confused.

(02-20-2010 04:36 PM)FastTadpole Wrote:  Like it or not more people need to get vocal about it and to turn around their minds they need a more convincing argument than "Israel is committing war crimes". No matter how true that statement rings as it can be easily dismissed by a potential voice in favour of the movements as the hooliganism it has been painted as in the MSM.

Even Paytriotards who follow Shabbos Jones and "Dr." Deagle are denouncing Zionism now, but it is mostly for selfish reasons of seeing their own pocketbooks being emptied by the same Zionist Criminals that they are slowly starting to name the Jew. The ZSM (Zionist Screeching Media) will never be sympathetic towards the Palestinians unless to give cover for another false "peace-treaty", with the majority of Americans now receiving their news from the Internet, the ZSM's influence has diminished greatly.

(02-20-2010 04:36 PM)FastTadpole Wrote:  I would agree but I'd supplant it with informative and intelligent awareness campaigns to counter the propaganda and an outlet for open table discussion to attract and encourage misinformed people that can be swayed over the fence on this debate.

There are countless anti-Zionist websites/forums/blogs/films/media/campaigns which are countering Zionist propaganda, but there is no substitute for Real-Life Activism and Protests. The less money the "misinformed" people have, the more courage they shall have to take on ZOG (Zionist Occupied Government).

Though many may believe that I am an angry person, to tell the truth, observing the slowly growing Global Economic Depression only fills my heart with joy, because it signifies that Pax Judaica is ending.

[Shinobi]

I know I would have been throwing food as soon as I heard the plonker announced

a quote from video speech from the woman ( anorexic stick lady! )
- " that is why we are sooo proud to have his excellency "

^ Pffffffffffffft! hes a piece of sh*t you stick woman!
get some f**king meat on you love!

She would have got my food missile treatment too
infact I would have aimed for her mouth she needs the nourishment
anyone who supports these clowns is no friend of mine!

How could they call that violence aswell lmfao Sh*t scared zionist clowns!
all the guys did was shout some truths out loud and thats instantly called violence
oh my! they will try anything to demonize you wont they bunch of desperate
baby zionists.

Check out those SUCK UP teachers! full of sh*t! they all may aswell eat from his ass!

This video made me happy! Im sticking it

[FastTadpole]

@Mr. Blow
A free, peaceful and independent Gaza is a common vision for both of us. We do agree on that and maybe you misunderstood my points as confrontational with your stance or I with yours.

Good insights on Deagle and Jones camp and the why behind their focal change on this issue.

Quote:You say in one breath that what they did was counter-productive and on the other hand to "get the truth out by any and all means", I am confused.

The exact context was ..

Quote:Although their hearts are in the right place, more needs to be done than heckling, which can prove counter-productive.

emphasis on more and can

An instance of a counter productive would be the one liners flung out then resisting deportation from the venue. This would appear to many watching a construed MSM broadcast as hooliganism - giving them ammunition but they walked out peacefully. This particular group did an exemplary job on that front.

"Any and and all means" was meant to encourage more of a two pronged approach for the campaign. I meant no contradiction and I'm consistent in my words from my POV. Alternative media has done a great job on this but to get this information to the mainstream majority and circumvent the MSM the word needs to travel by different venues including the protests. Suggestions could be school rallies in support of the people of Gaza with coverage covered by lower level local MSM (make your own if you have to), local/student newspapers, door to door campaigning, community groups, churches, barbecue awareness and taking these YouTube Clips / films to local high schools or submitting them to libraries. They're doing a decent job but it is time to think out the box and get information out by "any and all means". These tactics can and do apply to all issues.

The campaigns you are seeing from your POV are completely absent in my neck of the woods (Alberta). Maybe I'll drop by a mosque and check the temperature but I see nothing on the street or from the web emanating from my region sans a few solo voices here and there. I'll look harder.

What points and materials do you find most effective in convincing a typical misinformed well intentioned citizen in both internet and face2face mode or is it simply sheer persistence?

Peace in da Middle East