Freemason questions

[stanteau]

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Quote:All I'm saying is I was amazed at how open Masonry becomes after being raised and until you go through the same you won't really understand, it's much easier to read what some hack is selling and accuse people of stuff.

Typical Stanteau statement. Adroit in it's condescension par excellance - you've been a freemason how long now? Your seemingly skirting the issue of the CHIP campaign a little:rolleyes:

I've been a member for almost a year now and I personally never heard one word about the CHIP campaign you speak of, did some lodge in the world have a campaign? I'm sure, as did probably a lot of personal businesses and I'd be willing to wager normal Joe churches as well, does that mean Masonry as a whole should be lumped in the pile?

Also, as stated Masonry news is easy to distort, what one lodge does can easily be forced on the whole when it simply doesn't apply because like I said, I never heard a single word about the campaign.

Quote:And as already said - THE AMOUNT OF POLICE IN THE UK that are freemasons defies anyone with a basic intellect and grasp of cause and effect, so misinterpret the societal influence this wannabe'old boy' network DOES have.

But is it bent on evil? That is the question

Quote:And those aren't the conclusions of "some hack". You just brush off P2 like it's not consequential to the debate! It appears that because you really like being a freemason that you have lost the ability to see the wood for the trees somewhat, in focusing on the issue beyond your own lodge and your new friends you probably want to stick up for - who's taking about them.

Did you read my last message? Of course there is criminal elements in most everything, I am not "brushing it off," I just don't see how that implies criminal activity in Toledo Ohio.

Quote:I have a close friend in the UK who's father is also in the scottish rite and they used to live in the outer Hebrides - he doesn't paint the same picture of a financially beleaguered group of innocents, let me tell you.

Please do tell me what he said, all I can do is share my experiences in contrast (and like I said I've been to a Scottish Right Reunion, start in York sometime this year)

I'm not arguing with you, but just stating the obvious, I haven't seen anything like this stuff since joining, and it's so easy to say "well your just not at blah blah blah level", I prefer to quote a 40 year member of my lodge, "I don't go for that 33rd degree bullshit, I earned it but it isn't shit, just a big pissing contest between some old-timers who think their in a gang, they still can't order me or you to do anything."

He's a cool dude, gave me my tux and also subsequently told me about "spitting on the cross" getting me kicked out.