100% Conclusive Proof of No-Planes & TV-Fakery on 9/11 in under 8 minutes

[Negentropic]

Yeah, yeah, jazz roc, keep hugging those non-existent planes to the end of eternity: "hey looka here, youz guys didn't prove that these three leaves here aren't made out of plastic, so this tree, all these trees and the rest of the forest aren't alive, aren't plants, don't exit."

That's the exact opposite of what No-Planers have done which is PROVE ALL the videos fake and altered frame by frame, PROVE that eyewitness accounts among reporters on the scene were changed to fit the media concocted scenario, PROVE that public eyewitness accounts were completely contradictory, PROVE that there were pre-scripted actors, PROVE that there were no plane parts found except those planted, PROVE that there are only 249 confirmed death certificates on file, PROVE that vicsims were created on a computer morphing program.

There is no need for anyone to disprove unproven negatives dished out by you plane-huggers.

It's obvious that you plane-huggers are desparate for any reason to hang on to your Mass-Media induced fantasies and will do anything just so you can protect your fragile egos from having to face the simple reality that YOU WERE DUPED multiple times.

Don't worry, people will decide on their own what is 'debunked' and what is not 'debunked' based on their own reasoning ability and not on the basis of what you tell them is or isn't 'debunked." This thread didn't get 4500 views and climbing because people are researching the same old, gatekeeping plane-hugging lines explaining away impossible physics. Au contraire mon Frere, thousands of people are abandoning the heroin-fix of plane-hugging and sucking the MSM-plane-hugging tit on the right & the Alex-Jones-Loose-Shills-plane-hugging tit on the left every day and coming back down to earth to face the gigantic media hoax of 'No Planes,' based on their own research.

Quote:We have had two major obstacles to 9/11 Truth: one is a believable theory (about nanothermite) that turns out to be false; the other is an unbelievable theory (about video fakery) that turns out to be true. Once the American people realize that 9/11 was A STAGED EVENT WITH SPECIAL EFFECTS, like the black smoke from dumpsters used to intimidate Congress, they will “Get it!”

They could not use real planes, because (1) they had to explain the explosions in the sub-basements, (2) they had to get the planes entirely into the buildings to have a pseudo-explanation for their “collapse”, and (3) it is very difficult to hit a 208′ facade with a plane. To insure the penetration, which would have been impossible with a real plane, they had to use the image of a plane instead. -- James Fetzer

9/11 Interview with IRNA (The Islamic Republic News Agency)

Jim Fetzer

http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2011/09/...lamic.html

[JazzRoc]

(09-17-2011 06:12 AM)Negentropic Wrote:  Yeah, yeah, jazzroc, keep hugging those non-existent planes to the end of eternity: "hey looka here, youz guys didn't prove that these three leaves here aren't made out of plastic, so this tree, all these trees and the rest of the forest aren't alive, aren't plants, don't exit."

When you attempt to occupy "scientific" points-of-view to which you have no qualifications, you must expect dispute from those that have them.

Quote:That's the exact opposite of what No-Planers have done which is PROVE ALL the videos fake and altered frame by frame, PROVE that eyewitness accounts among reporters on the scene were changed to fit the media concocted scenario, PROVE that public eyewitness accounts were completely contradictory, PROVE that there were pre-scripted actors, PROVE that there were no plane parts found except those planted, PROVE that there are only 249 confirmed death certificates on file, PROVE that vicsims were created on a computer morphing program.

Your definition of PROOF, unfortunately for you but VERY fortunately for the rest of us, isn't consensual.
In scientific terms, you have no proof. You are a pseudoscientist, with your own way of deriding people who are (there's no way of underplaying this) PALPABLY your betters.

Quote:There is no need for anyone to disprove unproven negatives dished out by you plane-huggers. It's obvious that you plane-huggers are desparate for any reason to hang on to your Mass-Media induced fantasies and will do anything just so you can protect your fragile egos from having to face the simple reality that YOU WERE DUPED multiple times.

I wouldn't be here, were it not for the entertainment - maybe. Superb.

Quote:Don't worry, people will decide on their own what is 'debunked' and what is not 'debunked' based on their own reasoning ability and not on the basis of what you tell them is or isn't 'debunked." This thread didn't get 4500 views and climbing because people are researching the same old, gatekeeping plane-hugging lines explaining away impossible physics.

Not a bad mix of multiple insults.
My optimism is that people get better at everything they do. Of course that doesn't work for people with certifiable conditions like yours, but fortunately you're in a minority, and if I have anything to do with it - a decreasing minority.

Quote:Au contraire - bullshit - We have had two major obstacles to 9/11 Truth: one is a believable theory (about nanothermite) that turns out to be false

I must have missed that... Tell me why. Make me happy. I always thought it false because the aircraft collision would set them off, but you don't "believe" in "planes", so what's your scenario?

Quote:the other is an unbelievable theory (about video fakery) that turns out to be true.

What guff. That "video fakery" so indicates how ignorant you are, I can't believe it.

Quote:Once the American people realize that 9/11 was A STAGED EVENT WITH SPECIAL EFFECTS, like the black smoke from dumpsters used to intimidate Congress, they will “Get it!”

Do you live in Arizona? Did somebody once sell you London Bridge?

Quote:They could not use real planes, because (1) they had to explain the explosions in the sub-basements

Kerosine/air explosions reaching down the shafts. Ass-backwards...

Quote:(2) they had to get the planes entirely into the buildings to have a pseudo-explanation for their “collapse”

I like "entirely". Nothing like ignorance to bolster your pseudoscience, eh?

Quote:and (3) it is very difficult to hit a 208′ facade with a plane.

That's my favorite. How many times have you tried?

Quote:To insure

Tut-tut, you have what'sisname, er, the "puller", er, Larry Silverstein (nice catholic boy) suing you.
You meant "ensure".

Quote:the penetration, which would have been impossible with a real plane, they had to use the image of a plane instead. -- James Fetzer

Oh what a dastardly move.
I suppose that's why they published all those years ago, this sort of thing:





It was, I'm sure, just a gambit to precondition us for 9-11, because those LITTLE planes surely never killed thousands of US servicemen and sank dozens of ships, because THEY were made of ALUMINUM BEERCANS and the ships were made of STEEL.

Are you a sort of spoiler?

[Negentropic]

Ooooh wee, another book-length tome from Mr 'Scientifically-Qualified' (who won't acknowledge Judy Wood's qualifications by the way), and wouldn't know a plane or a real video if it bit him in the ass. I think you need eye implants since glasses haven't done much of a job for your common sense. Hey Jazzy-roc: Why don't you go on Jim Fetzer's show and see how long you last in debate? Maybe you'll get a few more extra die-hard plane-huggers to read your posts that way. Anthony Lawson is crying like a baby because Fetzer gets to write 'slanders' against him for Veterans today that he can't censor. Maybe when you lose the debate, as you surely will inside of 5 minutes, you can join the plane-huggers' sore-losers club.


Anybody not busy hugging armpits around non-existent planes who missed this one ought to read it and the rest ought to re-read it twice:

May 31, 2007

KILLTOWN: Why They Didn't Use Planes To Hit The WTC

(Updated: 09/23/08)


http://killtown.blogspot.com/2007/05/why...t-wtc.html

[JazzRoc]

(09-21-2011 11:02 AM)Negentropic Wrote:  Ooooh wee, another book-length tome from Mr 'Scientifically-Qualified' (who won't acknowledge Judy Wood's qualifications by the way).

I don't believe them.
Maybe since then she's had an accident which starved her brain of oxygen which might account for her position.
Maybe standards have slipped since my day. Snarfle.

Quote:KILLTOWN: Why They Didn't Use Planes To Hit The WTC

Dearie me - (Updated: 09/23/08) - another life-shortening event.

[Negentropic]

Greg Jenkins?

That old clown and his midnight video crew ?

Is that the best you can come up with after all these years? You must be a robot.


Not good, not good. No cookie for you Mr. Science, no scholarship to Plane-Huggers graduate school either, you're on probation.

"Dr. Greg Jenkins' Surprise 'Interview' of Prof. Judy Wood: a Transcript Analysis,"

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/trans...cript.html

Steven E. Jones recruits Greg Jenkins
to do a Hit Piece on Dr. Wood

Email from Steven E. Jones to Greg Jenkins, Recruiting the Hit Piece
The ambush "interview" with Greg Jenkins is here: (mp3).
The audio gives a different impression of the event.


http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/cc/Jo...ruits.html


What is the motivation of Greg Jenkins to do a surprise (ambush) "interview" of someone at a time approaching midnight, after they had driven 600 milesunder the belief they were only there to be a supportive member of an audience? Apparently Steven Jones approves of such tactics.

At a time approaching midnight, Dr. Wood did not agree to discuss or "defend" anything. Is this what Steven Jones considers to be "science"? Is this what Steven Jones considers to be "truth"? Do respectable researchers recruit well-funded psyops hit pieces for a "peer-reviewed scientific journal?" Is such behavior ethical? What does it say about such a "journal"?

Dr. Wood is promoting evidence. She has never stated where the components of this system are located. She has only addressed the evidence. We note that Steven Jones has failed to address the evidence and instead, spreads false information about the researchers who actually are addressing the evidence.


http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/cc/Jo...ruits.html



Greg Jenkins’ “Directed Debunking Energy” and Prof Judy Wood

Scholarly Questions and Inquiry, or Badgering, Misrepresentation and Harassment ? by Andrew Johnson

http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/in...df=1&id=46




The Final word on Steven the shill Jones & Nanothermite:

Friday, August 26, 2011

Nanothermite: If It Doesn’t Fit, You Must Acquit!

T. Mark Hightower (with Jim Fetzer)


http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2011/08/...-must.html

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Dr. Judy Wood BANNED from the Toronto International hearings on 9/11 on September 11th 2011

When they can't debate her evidece they BAN her like Galileo. I'm sure they'd throw her in a dungeon for her 'heresy' if they could.

One of the best Judy Wood interviews yet. She's really up and running for this one, not half comatose like in the Rense interviews. Andrew Johnson tags along

Judy Wood - Andrew Johnson - Toronto Hearings - Ralph Winterrowd Show RBN 14 August 2011:

http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/91...202011.mp3

Topics discussed:

Judy Wood, the scientist with, by far the most credentials and the only comprehensive forensic investigation into 9/11, unceremoniously BANNED from the Toronto International hearings on 9/11 on September 11th

James Gourley hasn't read the book; says Dr. Judy Wood's theories are nonsense


Judy Wood says she has NO THEORIES, she has no speculation, she only presents the evidence. No speculation, ONLY EVIDENCE, only what the evidence can support. People who have read her book don't know the serial number but they know what the technology does. Whatever thesis anyone comes up with HAS TO DEAL WITH THIS EVIDENCE.

Judy Wood: website was only the filing cabinet and life insurance policy for the book. The book is where the real evidence is systematically presented.


They drum up evidence to say this is the only evidence you should look at.


The companies named in the Qui Tam case are guilty of science fraud. They all know better than they put forward and signed off on their report.

ARA - Applied Research Associates - One of their primary areas of activity is that they develop and manufacture energy weapons. They also have a government contract to know everything about any weapon of mass destruction that exists or is being developed. So they not only would know what weapon was used but it's a pretty good chance that they'd also know whose weapon it was.

SAIC stands for Science Application International Corporation - They're involved in energy weapons and also Psy-Ops. They were involved in helping NIST prepare the report.

Underwriter's Lab - They tested the steel with 2 full-scale mockups and 2 half-scale mock-ups. They set them on fire and let them burn at twice the temperature for much longer and 4 out of 4 times it never failed to support load! Yet they signed off a report saying that the fire did it. Absolute fraud.


Andrew Johnson: These Toronto hearings are essentially a psychological operation. They are intended to create a certain perception among a certain group of people and that perception is not one which will not include the most powerful and convincing evidence which is Dr. Judy Wood's.


Judy Wood;: They can't refute the book, so they make up a straw man and refute that. Don't look there, look over here.

The very first thing you see in Steven Jones's thermite paper is A DISCLAIMER saying it's just 'the views' of the author. It's the only scientific paper around with a disclaimer. What sort of basis to move forward in an honest inquiry is that?


The deal with thermite is that it's to melt steel and that's done through thermal conductivity. So if you have a nano-layer of thermite on the surface and it acts really quickly, what do you do? You just melted the top layer and it's gone and you're left with the rest of the structure. It's like paint stripping.

Thermite doesn't turn things to dust, it essentially melts through them and you also need a very hot fuse to get it going. Did the towers come down with a big pyrotechnical display? No, they turned to dust. They had a little bit of fire where these supposed planes hit which weren't real planes, that's another story, then you had them turning to dust. Whichever spin you put on thermite, it is still not going to explain what happened to those buildings.

They say thermite was used. OK, what was it used for ? If you slice and dice into thirty foot segments you still have a 500,000 ton building slam into the ground.


Kevin Ryan worked for Underwriter's Lab

None of the participants in the Toronto hearings are half as qualified as Dr. Judy Wood and none of them are willing to commit themselves to cross-examination.


Few people realize that at the OKC building site they had toasted cars there too


The 45 degree cut column shown in photos as evidence of thermite was done with an oxy-torch but even if it was done with thermite, one cut column when there were 47 core columns and 236 perimeter columns does not explain how they all turned to dust and disappeared by noon on 9/11.

In the so-called 'molten pool' there was a water vein that was broken with firefighters wading in knee-deep water.


There is no evidence of high temperatures. When water turns into steam it expands in volume by 1600 times. If you put water on a pool of molten metal there would be enormous steam explosions which didn't happen. Steam is extremely dangerous.
Chernobyl was caused by a steam explosion that tore the building open letting the nuclear material into the atmosphere.

If you have bombs in the basement, bombs create LOTS OF HEAT especially nukes, you rupture the bathtub by crashing the building down or by bomb explosions, you have the Hudson river mixing with the heat from the bombs and you create steam explosions. That didn't happen.


With official 'alternative theories' people are given someplace to run where nothing will ever be proved or disproved.


Couple of days after 9/11 when they moved heavy earth-moving machinery around they did actually damage the bathtubs a bit. When they brought down the remains of building 6, they pulled it down with cables because they were afraid that a stick of dynamite would damage the bathtub wall.

The appearance of molten metal: it's liquid but it's not hot, they're sitting on paper and the paper's not burning

Fires without heat; they look like fires but they don't seem to melt plastic

1400 vehicles toasted and spontaneously combusted, beyond repair; either toasted or flipped

Jellification of materials, up to 180 degrees with no cracks in it; loads don't do that

Leaves on trees that didn't get ripped off.


Hot things glow but not everything that glows is hot

Bombs go boom but not everything that goes boom is a bomb

Superfine dust so fine it went into the upper atmosphere and was blocking the sunlight

Lack of proper seismic signals were not obtained from just one station but from ALL of the many seismic recording stations

Judy Wood - Andrew Johnson - Toronto Hearings - Ralph Winterrowd Show RBN 14 August 2011

http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/91...202011.mp3

[JazzRoc]

(09-21-2011 01:11 PM)Negentropic Wrote:  Greg Jenkins? That old fool and his midnight video crew?

The very same.

Quote:Is that the best you can come up with after all these years? You must be a robot.

I haven't made it my life's work to study crackpots.

Quote:"Dr. Greg Jenkins' Surprise 'Interview' of Prof. Judy Wood: a Transcript Analysis,"

is exactly where I got it from. Today.

Quote:What is the motivation of Greg Jenkins to do a surprise (ambush) "interview"?

Wait a minute. Did Jenkins ask her politely for an interview? - Yes.
Did she accept? - Yes.
Did Jenkins ask her polite and relevant questions? - Yes.
Did she answer them? - Yes.

So WHERE is the surprise? WHERE is the ambush?

Quote:Is this what Steven Jones considers to be "science"?

Weren't Greg Jenkins' questions scientific questions?

How are such questions "psyops hit pieces", exactly, when they were politely asked, politely answered, with no cuts or interjections, for a peer-reviewed scientific journal?

How can you even ask "Is such behavior ethical? What does it say about such a journal?"?

Quote:Dr. Wood is promoting evidence.

Dr. Wood is misinterpreting evidence.

Quote:She has never stated where the components of this system are located.

What a surprise.

Quote:She has only addressed the evidence. We note that Steven Jones has failed to address the evidence and instead, spreads false information about the researchers who actually are addressing the evidence.

This has the trademark of Andrew Johnson all over it.

He and she are in a little league of "flat-earthers" who, like, go for "Directed Energy Weapons" and "Dustification".

"Directed Energy Weapons" - Make a circle of your mouth, for now you will hear the famous words of Nikola Tesla. Listen in awe as you discover fabulous death rays had been invented just after comic strips. Don't forget that Tesla was right and Edison wrong, and he died in poverty and the FBI stole his stuff.

"Dustification", A MAGIC NEW PHYSICAL PROCESS standing apart from normal physics, because energy transactions unknown to the world's physicists are involved, and this is something NEW. How dare you ask questions about it? If you do I shall get flustered and change the subject...

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[JazzRoc]

(09-21-2011 01:11 PM)Negentropic Wrote:  explain how they all turned to dust

Very little steel (as a proportion of the whole about 0.05%) turned to dust as it isn't susceptible to CRUSHING.
As was pointed out in the video, if ALL of the tower steel had been melted together, it would form a pool just 6 feet deep within the floor plan.

A larger proportion of the concrete (maybe 10%) turned to dust. (Tip: to make dust from concrete you only have to HAMMER it.)

Quote:In the so-called 'molten pool' there was a water vein that was broken with firefighters wading in knee-deep water.

Well. "Pools of molten steel" is bollocks, then. I always thought so.

Quote:There is no evidence of high temperatures. When water turns into steam it expands in volume by 1600 times. If you put water on a pool of molten metal there would be enormous steam explosions which didn't happen. Steam is extremely dangerous. Chernobyl was caused by a steam explosion that tore the building open letting the nuclear material into the atmosphere.

I agree about steam. You wouldn't want to be playing water onto REAL molten steel.

Quote:If you have bombs in the basement, bombs create LOTS OF HEAT especially nukes, you rupture the bathtub by crashing the building down or by bomb explosions, you have the Hudson river mixing with the heat from the bombs and you create steam explosions. That didn't happen.

I agree about bombs. HEAT is what a bomb makes first. The explosion is the result of the practically instantaneous liberation of heat.

Quote:With official 'alternative theories' people are given someplace to run where nothing will ever be proved or disproved.

That's the whole art of living within such theories. But yours is included.

Quote:1400 vehicles toasted and spontaneously combusted, beyond repair; either toasted or flipped

Hey, loads of hot steel doing up to 300 mph makes hay of parked cars.

Quote:Jellification of materials, up to 180 degrees with no cracks in it; loads don't do that

Oh, yes they do. The beams and columns have to be HOT to do it, that's all. 111,000 kilowatt hours of stored potential energy in the steel was turning into heat via collision and friction somewhere and everywhere within that descending cloud.

Quote:Leaves on trees that didn't get ripped off.

Well, maybe they were a bit far from the blasts of whatever. And got missed by falling stuff. How easy is it to hit a leaf with a debris cloud? What's in a debris cloud?

Quote:Hot things glow but not everything that glows is hot. Bombs go boom but not everything that goes boom is a bomb. Superfine dust so fine it went into the upper atmosphere and was blocking the sunlight.

70 micron dust is NOT "superfine". Not much of it got into the stratosphere. Dusts nucleate rain, and that reaction with water vapor would have brought it down within a week.

Quote:proper seismic signals were not obtained from just one station but from ALL of the many seismic recording stations

What is a "proper" seismic signal?

[7forever]

This is the clearest footage of the two opposing flight paths brought forth because of this little big thing called the information age. According to this work, this fake west plane path was never shown on TV after 911. The seven second sync is almost perfect. Advance to 4:58 and see for yourself how two plane paths make one fake black plane. The sacking of human ignorance is in motion.



SEPTEMBER CLUES 5/7 - YouTube

[Armilus]

Plane is clearly visible here, hi-res photos ~18 MB:
http://www.hybrideb.com/images/newyork/2328200101a.jpg
http://www.hybrideb.com/images/newyork/2328200102b.jpg
http://www.hybrideb.com/images/newyork/ (index, more pics)
Smaller resized images:
http://i52.tinypic.com/2n00qs7.jpg
http://i52.tinypic.com/2hd9lkg.jpg

[Bull Medicine]

Please read at the link, it's from the year 2000:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busine...28236.html

Quote:Viewers tuning into American broadcaster CBS's recent news coverage of the millennium celebrations in New York witnessed a televisual sleight of hand which enabled CBS to alter the reality of what they saw. Using "virtual imaging" technology, the broadcaster seamlessly adjusted live video images to include an apparently real promotion for itself in Times Square. The move has sparked debate about the ethics of using advances in broadcast technology to alter reality without telling viewers that what they are seeing isn't really there.

(continues)

Considering the many discrepancies that do indeed abound in the official account and available visual evidence it isn't entirely unreasonable to suggest a MIHOP operation where such technologies were engaged, even without dismissing the given premise of fuel laden jets hijacked by actual flesh and blood CIA/Bin Laden backed terrorists. It all goes to help muddy the waters and keep the trail cold.

IMHO the investigative science of former MIT materials engineer Dr.Judy Wood is compelling and much stronger in arguement than the vast majority of cause and effect hypotheses that Jazzroc seeks to proliferate.

[JazzRoc]

(09-24-2011 07:03 PM)Bull Medicine Wrote:  where such technologies were engaged, even without dismissing the given premise of fuel laden jets hijacked by

What?
RE: 100% Conclusive Proof of No-Planes & TV-Fakery on 9/11 in under 8 minutes?
So they got the terrorists to fly the aircraft down the route they had already simulated and synthesized and made videos of?
Great, how they got the sky the exact same blue. and the wind the exact same direction and, when you think about it, weren't they just a tad lucky with the weather?
The weather in the videos, that is...
And the smart way they even got in the vortices on that long-distance vid and yet the announcers really got things wrong several times.
You could almost swear it was natural, with nineteen home-boys led by a well-informed fanatic, and everyone else not having the slightest clue as to what had just transpired.
It just goes to show that George W. Bush just couldn't be misunderestimated. Such a smart bastard... ...with everyone loyal to him.

(That's enough bullshit - ed.)

[JazzRoc]

(09-24-2011 01:45 AM)7forever Wrote:  two opposing flight paths

is what you appear to be looking at when you see THE SAME event from viewpoints roughly ninety degrees to each other and at dissimilar heights from each other...
This is yet another false claim from or by IGNORANCE.
You and p4r4 should confer and share your ignorance together.
Surely there must be further educational courses in perspective and 3d?

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(09-24-2011 10:33 AM)Armilus Wrote:  Plane is clearly visible here, hi-res photos ~18 MB:

They are very fine photos indeed.
Does anyone have a listing of the NUMBER of the separate photos there are of Flights 11 and 175 in existence?

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(09-24-2011 07:03 PM)Bull Medicine Wrote:  it isn't entirely unreasonable to suggest a MIHOP operation where such technologies were engaged, even without dismissing the given premise of fuel laden jets hijacked by actual flesh and blood CIA/Bin Laden backed terrorists.

Oh yes, it's entirely unreasonable.
They fake all the video. They show it to the homeboys and say "do it like this".
And on THE day, lo-and-behold, everything goes EXACTLY to plan with the planes smacking in and the towers tumbling down. Even the blue sky and the wind direction.
What a freaky horror movie.

Quote:It all goes to help muddy the waters and keep the trail cold.

The best thing to suggest when there is no quarry.

Quote:IMHO the investigative science of former MIT materials engineer Dr. Judy Wood is compelling and much stronger in argument than the vast majority of cause and effect hypotheses that Jazzroc seeks to proliferate.

Well you have a right to your opinion.
If her argument was any good it would have persuaded me. The only talent she appeared to possess was elusiveness.
"Cause and effect hypotheses"? And yours isn't?
The difference between us is in the methods of analysis and judgment employed. One of us uses physical evidence and reasoned logic, and doesn't happen to be YOU.
Personally I'm only concerned primarily with what really happened.
It seems to me that once one has a clear understanding of that, one IS free to speculate as to the WHY.
But not until.

[Bull Medicine]

(09-25-2011 02:34 AM)JazzRoc Wrote:  

(09-24-2011 07:03 PM)Bull Medicine Wrote:  it isn't entirely unreasonable to suggest a MIHOP operation where such technologies were engaged, even without dismissing the given premise of fuel laden jets hijacked by actual flesh and blood CIA/Bin Laden backed terrorists.

Oh yes, it's entirely unreasonable.
They fake all the video. They show it to the homeboys and say "do it like this".
And on THE day, lo-and-behold, everything goes EXACTLY to plan with the planes smacking in and the towers tumbling down. Even the blue sky and the wind direction.
What a freaky horror movie.

Sorry, but well nigh time to get your head out of the dirt, Mr.JazzOstrich (huhu)- time to leave the rule set alone back on the drafting table and start considering the profiteering (at the least). BTFW. The amassed visual evidence doesn't correlate with itself - what kind of investigative mind do you actually have ?? You don't!! You are fanboying for a specific narrative. willfully excluding EVERYTHING that doesn't sit well with the specific propaganda you espose.

You are simply too old to get away with such blatant school yard bollocks. So stop it and debate the ENTIRETY of 911 or desist - anything other belies malign intent. QUITE SIMPLE REALLY.

(09-25-2011 02:34 AM)JazzRoc Wrote:  

Quote:It all goes to help muddy the waters and keep the trail cold.

The best thing to suggest when there is no quarry.

bollocks to that! I have posted things for you to familiarise yourself with - you have patently ignored- simple as that. It occurs that possibly only a patent idiot or a charleton would persist in myopic scope with the issue like you do...

(09-25-2011 02:34 AM)JazzRoc Wrote:  

Quote:IMHO the investigative science of former MIT materials engineer Dr. Judy Wood is compelling and much stronger in argument than the vast majority of cause and effect hypotheses that Jazzroc seeks to proliferate.

Well you have a right to your opinion.
If her argument was any good it would have persuaded me. The only talent she appeared to possess was elusiveness.
"Cause and effect hypotheses"? And yours isn't?
The difference between us is in the methods of analysis and judgment employed. One of us uses physical evidence and reasoned logic, and doesn't happen to be YOU.
Personally I'm only concerned primarily with what really happened.
It seems to me that once one has a clear understanding of that, one IS free to speculate as to the WHY.
But not until.

I think possibly I could arrange a recorded call with DR. Judy Wood where you can put it to her personally that she is "elusive", she seems eminently approachable for such debates - shall we try that? I don't mind trying to arrange that at all, sounds really interesting!

If you cared what "really happened" your scope wouldn't be so limited - your devotion to omission is practically comedic by now, thus you have thwarted yourself already.. which is a shame.

[Negentropic]

Dennis Cimino of Pilots for 9/11 Truth on The Real Deal with Jim Fetzer Podcast - August 26, 2011





http://nwopodcast.com/fetz/media/jim%20f...cimino.mp3



Dennis Cimino experience and qualifications:
Electrical Engineer
Commercial Pilot Rating, since 1981
Navy Combat Systems Specialist: RADAR, ECM, cryptographic communications
Flight Data Recorder Engineer Smiths Aerospace
BA-609, IDARS, Military and Commercial
Millimeter wave RADAR and countermeasures expert since 1973
Two patents held for Doppler RADAR ( Kavouras ):
long pulsewidth RADAR droop compensation network,
and wave guide arc detection for high powered RADAR




"I have been a licensed pilot with a commercial rating, multi-engine, IFR, since 1981. Prior to that I served as an Electronic Warfare / Electronic Signals Intelligence (EW ELINT) specialist in the U.S. Navy, with many 'first time' signal intercepts in the national (NSA) sig int database. Since I left the Navy in 1979, I have been heavily involved in DoD weapons system testing and certification. I have held high level clearances most of my career." -- Dennis Cimino




Of all major U.S. airline crashes within the U.S. investigated and published by the National Transportation Safety Board during the past 20 years, the 9/11 'black boxes' are virtually the only ones without listed serial numbers.


http://pilotsfor911truth.org/Dennis-Cimi...7-FDR.html

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index...opic=11066




Some of the topics discussed and important statements made:

Nanothermite is not a high-explosive

Nanothermite's demolition velocity

Nanothermite can cut steel but it absolutely cannot explode buildings, much less turn a building into powder in mid-air


Every aspect of 9/11 when you get deeply into it becomes a complete sham

Pencil through mosquito netting; Massive horizontal resistance


The FAA has records of every serial number of every part and component that goes on an airplane. These things are called trailing documents in aircraft production. It's part of the certification process. Every single part from any airplane that was ever found could have been known and could have been matched and yet NOTHING was matched and NOTHING has been matched since then. NOT ONE SINGLE PART from any of the alleged 9/11 crash sites has been matched.


Colonel George Nelson (U.S. Airforce Retired), an air-crash investigation expert has observed that NOT ONE uniquely identifiable part has ever been produced by the government FROM ANY OF THE 4 ALLEGED CRASH SITES

What's increasingly becoming clearer every day is that the stand-down order was arranged not because they didn't want the planes to be shot down but because they didn't want the discovery to be made that there were NO PLANES, that these were actually phantom flights.

Detailed analysis of radar bleeps, radar sweeps & exercise videos by Cimino. If airplanes had been sent out to intercept there would have been nothing to lock on


Absence of evidence is and has always been evidence of absence, absence of planes

A bogus flight data recorder with no aircraft ID and no Fleet-ID in the preamble of that data is absolutely impossible

Drive-by shootings vs. True Debate - They will do drive-by shootings because they don't want to draw attention to a real debate (perfect example Craig Jenkins' drive-by shooting of Dr. Judy Wood). They want to pre-empt the possibility of a real debate.

Richard Gage has been e-mailing other researchers telling them specifically: "Do not point the finger at Israel."

Richard Gage, who has 0 hours experience flying, actually has the gall to tell an Airline Captain like Cimino that he's full of shit.

When you're over the target, that's when you get attacked

Who has authority to pick up wreckage at any crash site ?


Robert Mueller and John Ashcroft were Mr. Wolf from Pulp Fiction, there to try to clean up a botched job

The FBI and the Mossad are one and the same, they always operate together

Project Mongoose and Operation Northwoods

FBI's job was to clean up the mess so that the legitimacy of the American government was not challenged

Almost everybody in the entire government is a puppet

2.3 trillion dollars missing - Dov Zakheim and Donald Rumsfeld

Cynthia McKinney's roasting of Donald Rumsfeld's gonads over a slow fire

Absurdities of the radar record

Flight 77 & 11 weren't even in the Bureau of Transportations & Statistics' schedule as a scheduled carrier flight, before or after, they never took place. The air-traffic control communications between the FAA & the airplane, the recordings released under lawyer request by the Federal Government are absolutely bogus and completely, predictably SCRIPTED.

Telephone calls all proven impossible or fake by David Ray Griffin and the FBI recanted and said "well, apparently they did not take place."

Ted Olson - proven liar

What could 'global hawk' drones have been used for on 9/11 if not for hitting any buildings ? Was a 'global hawk' used to fire a missile into the pentagon that hit a light pole?

The whole operation was so incompetently carried out and botched it was almost like Keystone cops did it

The only place where they were precision oriented and uncannily competent was NORAD. Too many people at NORAD absolutely positively kept those exercises going for 30 minutes after everything ended because they absolutely, positively had to make sure that not one single interceptor plane got to that point in space because they would have found nothing there, because no airplane was there, no airliner was in that spot.

Radar controllers were looking at videos that were recorded a year before during exercises

We were able to determine absolutely and beyond any reasonable doubt that the radar data was delayed by 26 seconds. For what? It never happened before September 11th and it never took place afterwards ! So we've got the Northeast Air-Defense picture delayed for 26 seconds for what purpose? There is no reason and here's why there is no reason: Because all that video, in everyone of these equipment racks and in all these different places, everything is time-synchronized by cesium-ion atomic clock to feed a time signal into the back of the rack so that time-stamp is real, it's not the media that forgot to set the time on these things. These things are all time-synchronized for a purpose and we can PROVE beyond any reasonable doubt that this whole radar picture for the whole entire Northeast sector was delayed by 26 seconds. Why the need of that? And why did that have to happen that day and ONLY ON THAT DAY?


26 second delay was there to mix real world targets to prevent massive amounts of mid-air collisions. They couldn't pipe exercise videos with no real targets in it because they would have had airplanes colliding all over the air space that day. They had to have the time to pull targets out to make sure only the ones they wanted were there and secondarily to be able to mix real-world traffic albeit 26 seconds later to prevent massive numbers of mid-air collisions from occurring

All the air-traffic controllers' oral reports which were consolidated onto a tape were cut into hundreds of different pieces and basically destroyed on the grounds that the recording had been 'illegal' if you can believe such an absurd explanation.

Video fakery - no ruptured steel girders, no broken glass during entry with half the airplane stuck inside the building with no apparent damage is absolutely ludicrous

Jane Garvey was the FAA administrator during all this. We never saw Jane Garvey on television, she never made a single statement.

Final approaches at those speeds and altitudes absolutely impossible


ADL and Southern Poverty Law Center = Mossad operations on U.S. soil

Kevin Ryan, the backstabber and bullshit artist, claims he knows more about aeronautical matters than experienced airline pilots

Cimino's message to David Ray Griffin telling people 'Do not point the finger at Israel under any circumstances' is: Screw You

The reason Richard Gage & David Ray Griffin say 'Do not point the finger at Israel' is because Israel was in the driver's seat that day along with NORAD.

The kind of Cold-Blooded Sons of Bitches that we have in the Government

Fetzer: AH! FOR GAWD'S SAKE !

Disappearance off the face of the earth and the MESSAGE

80 pounds of airline in Cimino's posterior

Frank Morales, first responder, has stated that rubble of WTC 1 & 2 was below ground level on 9/11

Buildings were pulverized into millions of cubic yards of dust

Cimino is now undergoing intense retaliation from the government for refusing to shut up

http://nwopodcast.com/fetz/media/jim%20f...cimino.mp3


http://radiofetzer.blogspot.com/

http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/911/

http://mrfriendsblog.blogspot.com/

http://www.cluesforum.info/

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Ace Baker's film is back up with a new chapter added for the missed first week !

9/11 - The Great American Psy-Opera

A Film By Ace Baker -

Chapter 1 : Broken News

Chapter 2: The Official Story VS. The Truth Movement


http://psy-opera.com/

more chapters to follow weekly leading up to the "What Planes ?" chapter