Alex Jones is telling everyone to look at the base of WTC video

[MrBS]

I'm saying look at the fucking top !

Look 6 minutes in on this video

See how it is a rather different zoomed out view of the "collapse". This makes a nice change as we can compare static things with the moving things more closely and get an idea of how all this gravity is allegedly causing those explosive-like clouds of pulvarised concrete that throw steal beams around like Lego.

Is it me, or does the "huge ejection" (i.e. explosion) happen a good half second before the top of the building even moves? 6 mins in.. you'll see what I mean. If something isn't moving then how do we get this first cloud of smoke caused by it impacting? How did the top part of the damaged building manage to smash the bottom part and pulverize all that concrete - without even moving?

Eat that no planers - some real video evidence someone on here (i.e me) thinks he's just noticed - when we were supposed to be looking at something else too;) Smoke from the bottom pre-collapse - yeah thats there too....

I was hoping Larry Silverstein would suddenly appear in shot with a detenator as somehow I still don't think people will wake up, even after seeing this... :sad:

[stanteau]

I'll be 100% honest, I don't quite get what your saying, just more evidence of a controlled demolition? The videos just too far back, as soon as the explosion happens.... I don't know, I didn't watch it, I just FFed to 5:50 but I don't see anything shake from that distance.

[hilly7]

I haven't seen the film he's talking about but from NJ you can see the camera shake, then a puff of smoke rise up from the base of the structure.

[Nyte]

Mossad car bomb to preweaken structure im guessing

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SGE6GNKNpPA

its just a guess

[Nyte]

also

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VZ3SHp-Lmew

[stanteau]

Quote:also

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VZ3SHp-Lmew

Jesus, THAT is smoking gun evidence

[MrBS]

Quote:I'll be 100% honest, I don't quite get what your saying, just more evidence of a controlled demolition? The videos just too far back, as soon as the explosion happens.... I don't know, I didn't watch it, I just FFed to 5:50 but I don't see anything shake from that distance.

I wasn't talking about anything shaking.

Most videos are zoomed in and close-up of the collapse - there's a lot of smoke and with just the WTC (and smoke) in frame you have no sense of the speed or how it falls at the start.

If you watch this video closely - as the camera zooms away, and then zooms in - keep track of where the top of the tower is.

Then you'll see the explosion before the top drops.

[stanteau]

Quote:

Quote:I'll be 100% honest, I don't quite get what your saying, just more evidence of a controlled demolition? The videos just too far back, as soon as the explosion happens.... I don't know, I didn't watch it, I just FFed to 5:50 but I don't see anything shake from that distance.

I wasn't talking about anything shaking.

Most videos are zoomed in and close-up of the collapse - there's a lot of smoke and with just the WTC (and smoke) in frame you have no sense of the speed or how it falls at the start.

If you watch this video closely - as the camera zooms away, and then zooms in - keep track of where the top of the tower is.

Then you'll see the explosion before the top drops.

OH! Now I got ya

[Nyte]

"car bomb suspected of being inside wtc"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XUkbLaFevyg

[MC David]

Quote:I haven't seen the film he's talking about but from NJ you can see the camera shake, then a puff of smoke rise up from the base of the structure.

You can also see what looks like thermite/mate pouring out of the impact zone on the left side, the camera even focuses in on it dripping down, a bright orange substance, & then it catches the white smoke rising from the bottom as well as it focuses in on that!

Yeah I don't understand the point of what the original poster is trying to say either, but fuck it this video is nuts.

[byrd]

you know, while we're on the topic n all, there is something i always wonder about when i see this no plane shit talked about. please xplain to me why they would want to use holograms and go through all the trouble of pulling that whole situation off, seeing as obviously millions of ppl will both be watching from home and in NY at that very time, why not just fly the fucking planes into the towers. why decide, hey, lets not actually fly real planes into the towers. lets use holograms and blablabla insert here the rest of the crazy theories that go along with the no plane thing.

why would they do that? even if they could. why not just fly planes into the towers, then bring them down with explosives. why choose to not do that, and use pretend planes or fake imagery or whatever.

seriously, why do this.

[stanteau]

Quote:you know, while we're on the topic n all, there is something i always wonder about when i see this no plane shit talked about. please xplain to me why they would want to use holograms and go through all the trouble of pulling that whole situation off, seeing as obviously millions of ppl will both be watching from home and in NY at that very time, why not just fly the fucking planes into the towers. why decide, hey, lets not actually fly real planes into the towers. lets use holograms and blablabla insert here the rest of the crazy theories that go along with the no plane thing.

why would they do that? even if they could. why not just fly planes into the towers, then bring them down with explosives. why choose to not do that, and use pretend planes or fake imagery or whatever.

seriously, why do this.

Why not fly a plane into the Penatgon or crash an empty plane, controlled by wire-control, into Shanksville? Why not just blow up a truck bomb in OKC? And remember, there WE'RE truck bombs in NY and so far there's 0% explanation as to what they were really doing there, only speculation.

We aren't them, they do weird shit that defies explanation, but I gotta say it might of actually been easier to no-plane it if you think about it. Controlling the media isn't hard and if the "Zionists rule the world" thing is true than they'd have the perfect control scheme anyway, then they don't have to even bother with victims (since again there were no planes or passengers at the Pentagon or Shanksville) so they can just make it all up.

I don't know the 100% of it all, but you gotta admit this is strange, that's how I got started, I saw this video that was actually linked from here and just said "hmmm, that's weird" and I shrugged it off foir 2 weeks or so and then I just started digging and it got weirder and weirder and eventually it became evident that a lot of these videos are just contradictory. This means either

1-A plane DID hit the tower and they just faked additional video for impact
2-No plane hit the tower, no plane was seen, and everyone was brain-washed into believing it (which is very possible, finding real hardcore witnesses, that don't look like shills, is very hard, here they just use a standard commercial actor and HE ADMITS TO BEING A PHONY WITNESS
3-No plane hit but a hologram was projected (which they can do, research it) a few seconds before hand kinda like this

And then there's 50 billion "grey areas" we can discuss but based on all that, I just really think something funky is goin on with the entire thing

[byrd]

a plane was flown into the pentagon. only it was much smaller, as they didnt want serious damage done to that building. only the part that was under construction. they said it was a 767 to go along with the rest of the days events. and im sure they had placed certain ppl in that wing for that moment so they could be killed and shut up. i believe that was the only part bush et al had knowledge of. or had anything to do with in regards to planning it and letting it happen. i think Silverstein and the rest of his Zionist buddies like Frank Lowey and Pataki, etc, knew about this plan to frame muslims by hijacking the plane and ramming it into the pentagon, and decided to hijack the whole show. Silverstein and his buddies are the ones who made billions off the towers. not bush, not rummy, etc. but thats neither here nor there.

i figure the plane was shot down over shanksville cuz they could only hold off NORAD for so long. they finally got up there, shot it down, but it was kept hush hush, etc.

why not just blow up a truck bomb in OKC? we got the official story, but there were more bombs than we were told. if we knew about the extent of it, we would wonder how the hell this bum got his hands on all these bombs, and so on.


bottom line, planes were flown into the towers. you have no proof whatsoever to say other wise. we saw them on tv, and ppl saw them in real life. how about that plane in shanksville. all the ppl who saw it, the ones who saw it explode, the mayor of cleveland saying the 767 landed at the airport, and so on. they were all fooled too by holograms flying over the town?


whatever man. a lot is unknown of course in regards to 9/11. whether or not planes were actually used is not unknown. they were used. you and others like you are taking the whole "researching 9/11" thing and turning it into a circus. you have no facts, no proof, no motive, no nothing. just some suspicious footage.

go on talking your no plane stuff all you want then man. tell all the ppl you can. then let me know what good it did.

[stanteau]

Quote:a plane was flown into the pentagon. only it was much smaller, as they didnt want serious damage done to that building. only the part that was under construction. they said it was a 767 to go along with the rest of the days events. and im sure they had placed certain ppl in that wing for that moment so they could be killed and shut up. i believe that was the only part bush et al had knowledge of. or had anything to do with in regards to planning it and letting it happen. i think Silverstein and the rest of his Zionist buddies like Frank Lowey and Pataki, etc, knew about this plan to frame muslims by hijacking the plane and ramming it into the pentagon, and decided to hijack the whole show. Silverstein and his buddies are the ones who made billions off the towers. not bush, not rummy, etc. but thats neither here nor there.

i figure the plane was shot down over shanksville cuz they could only hold off NORAD for so long. they finally got up there, shot it down, but it was kept hush hush, etc.

You don't know, nor can you actually prove any of that aside from the profiting account which IS more complicated than that but your theory on the small plane at the Pentagon and the Shaknsville shootdown are pure speculation and you can't pass that off as "hard evidence", I CAN prove that they aired fake videos

Quote:why not just blow up a truck bomb in OKC? we got the official story, but there were more bombs than we were told. if we knew about the extent of it, we would wonder how the hell this bum got his hands on all these bombs, and so on.

My point exactly, they did something way more over the top than necessary that exposed them big time when they could've just settled with the 30 deaths an actual truck bomb would've created

Quote:bottom line, planes were flown into the towers. you have no proof whatsoever to say other wise. we saw them on tv, and ppl saw them in real life. how about that plane in shanksville. all the ppl who saw it, the ones who saw it explode, the mayor of cleveland saying the 767 landed at the airport, and so on. they were all fooled too by holograms flying over the town?

whatever man. a lot is unknown of course in regards to 9/11. whether or not planes were actually used is not unknown. they were used. you and others like you are taking the whole "researching 9/11" thing and turning it into a circus. you have no facts, no proof, no motive, no nothing. just some suspicious footage.

go on talking your no plane stuff all you want then man. tell all the ppl you can. then let me know what good it did.

You didn't say one word to debunk any of the videos I posted, just hurled some insults and made some claims with nothing to back them up.

Noone ever debunks these videos of multiple approach paths, the planes looking different between shots, the recycled video from the Pentagon, bottom line noone ever debunks these claims, they only say it's bullshit and useless to even investigate BUT THESE ARE REAL ISSUES AREN'T THEY! Are you, Byrd saying they did NOT air any fake videos on 9/11?

EDIT: And while we're at it, no offense but who nominated you head 9/11 Research Censor? Who are you to tell me what I can or can not say? Why should I respect your demand to "Shut up" about this stuff while you obviously don't respect a thing about my viewpoints or my right to opinions? It's a big world, your the one who made the Judy Wood post to show off a Death Star picture, you go around the board challenging me to debates and than tell me to shut up and stop debating, either grow up and look at the evidence in a calm manner or simply don't reply to posts about no-plane and beam energy the way I don't look at posts about stuff I have made my mind up about already

[Nyte]

Quote:your the one who made the Judy Wood post to show off a Death Star picture

that was me mocking the bullshit of judy wood

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5...h&plindex=0

she clearly doesn't know what the fuck shes talking about

SHE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT A PYROCLASTIC FLOW IS

instead she blames lasers from outerspace and calls them "bubblers" or whatever her retarded ass is
and compares the WTC to the fucking kingdom!

fuck her and her disinfo

Quote:Controlling the media isn't hard and if the "Zionists rule the world" thing is true than they'd have the perfect control scheme anyway

Fucking strawman,if you read Anti-neocons.com theory ZIONISM IS A WING USED BY THE MIC
the same as communism,nazis,ect was.


I want you to fucking go to new york and ask the firemen,the workers,anybody who was there on 9-11 if they saw planes
go for it.