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Define "fighting the New World Order" or "the movement" - Guest - 04-26-2008 06:38 AM
Quote:Hold onto your principles, do not go with the crowd !!!Amen.
zeitgesit tells us that the new world order is going to happen and we can defeat it
however a book that I am familiar with, (that some here despise) tells us that new world order is inevitable, has already been prophesized.
It's a tough question posed in this topic for me.
It's an inevitable thing for me, altho an inherent personality defect in me has always
been an antiauthoritarian streak. For me, fighting the system can be simply doing something
unlawful and not getting caught... :laugh: like doing 240 in a 100 zone on some desolate highway
in the rx-7 at the crack of dawn on a sunday morning.
Being anti-authority by nature, I guess that's why I run the tracker. I know God's plan shall prevail,
but I'd like to instill or inflame tension for the bigger bang in the end.
To put it simply, if someone discovered the tracker, became cynical because of it's content, they knew right from wrong, freedom from slavery and so on, and just happened to blow some FEMA cocksuckers' head off on "blue list day", I'd smile.
Define "fighting the New World Order" or "the movement" - yeti - 04-26-2008 06:40 AM
Quote:I like your veiws englihtened more evolved primate :tongue: :biggrin:.It's good that we're talking about law, because that's the only way we're going to win this. It's law or lawlessness, and they're way better at the lawlessness, right?
Define "fighting the New World Order" or "the movement" - hilly7 - 04-26-2008 07:05 AM
Quote:Quote:I like your veiws englihtened more evolved primate :tongue: :biggrin:.It's good that we're talking about law, because that's the only way we're going to win this. It's law or lawlessness, and they're way better at the lawlessness, right?
Not really. Problem, reaction, solution- that is what they are good at. Who do you go legally to, when they make the laws, enforce the laws, own the lawyers, authorities, and courts? Perhaps, lawlessness is what they actually fear. Lack of cooperation. Suggested reading would be Bre Rabbit, by Uncle Remus. Lawlessness could just be the briar patch.
Define "fighting the New World Order" or "the movement" - hilly7 - 04-26-2008 07:19 AM
Quote:Quote:Hold onto your principles, do not go with the crowd !!!Amen.
zeitgesit tells us that the new world order is going to happen and we can defeat it
however a book that I am familiar with, (that some here despise) tells us that new world order is inevitable, has already been prophesized.
It's a tough question posed in this topic for me.
It's an inevitable thing for me, altho an inherent personality defect in me has always
been an antiauthoritarian streak. For me, fighting the system can be simply doing something
unlawful and not getting caught... :laugh: like doing 240 in a 100 zone on some desolate highway
in the rx-7 at the crack of dawn on a sunday morning.
Being anti-authority by nature, I guess that's why I run the tracker. I know God's plan shall prevail,
but I'd like to instill or inflame tension for the bigger bang in the end.
To put it simply, if someone discovered the tracker, became cynical because of it's content, they knew right from wrong, freedom from slavery and so on, and just happened to blow some FEMA cocksuckers' head off on "blue list day", I'd smile.
Now somehow that makes sense to me CTLR. My latest, I needed to burn an old set of pens that were not really repairable, plus, another garden was needed when it was, so I burnt it. I got a visit, and they ask to see my burn permit. I told them it was at the court house, just check the record of deeds. They said I needed a paper to burn, simple 5.00, but they would issue it free. I thanked them and told them I had plenty of paper to start the fire, and it was burning good. Then I informed them that I bought it, paid for it, and now own it, that in and of itself gave me the rights to burn on it. They asked if I'd get one the next time, which I said no. I didn't agree to that, the contract when I purchased it had no such contingencies listed, so no, next time will be like this time. They did offer me a ticket, which I told them to save it until the next time, useful in starting fires, and asked they bring marshmellows and weenies to roast. They left, no ticket, and in good, but confused spirits.
Define "fighting the New World Order" or "the movement" - Guest - 04-26-2008 07:34 AM
What you pointed out about paying for permission to light a match
really raises tangent thought in me. Rob Menard would say that fires are already lawful otherwise the licencing authority is licencing unlawful activity.
I think it can be conversly said that such an act is unlawful to begin with and the "permit" is only a paid waiver against prosecution.
Sadly either statement can be reasonably be demonstrated to be true thus showing how confusded and unknowing what truth in the matter even is.
Define "fighting the New World Order" or "the movement" - yeti - 04-26-2008 07:37 AM
Quote:Fuck the Briar Patch. Fuck anybody who stands in the way - they will be incarcerated and charged with obstruction of justice. The people own the courts of law or they own nothing.Quote:Not really. Problem, reaction, solution- that is what they are good at. Who do you go legally to, when they make the laws, enforce the laws, own the lawyers, authorities, and courts? Perhaps, lawlessness is what they actually fear. Lack of cooperation. Suggested reading would be Bre Rabbit, by Uncle Remus. Lawlessness could just be the briar patch.Quote:I like your veiws englihtened more evolved primate :tongue: :biggrin:.It's good that we're talking about law, because that's the only way we're going to win this. It's law or lawlessness, and they're way better at the lawlessness, right?
Define "fighting the New World Order" or "the movement" - jack - 04-26-2008 07:47 AM
Trying to reply, but - Crap, I'm having quote issues
Define "fighting the New World Order" or "the movement" - jack - 04-26-2008 08:11 AM
Oh mothandrust so you to want to debate with me, fair enough I don't mind.
But I think that you may be picking on my lack a verbal skills and smaller word bank than yourself, more than disagreeing.
I am simply saying that folks like to be with others whom they share common traits, as opposed to those, that for whatever reason they disagree with.
Quote:Quote:Now I know that many will disagree with me here but - I like the idea of nations (just not those who keep other people out or their own in)so, can you give us an example, any example of a nation which does not do this?
I believe that you and I can travel about freely to other, but not all countries, and people from many other countries can and do visit here or move here, as long as they follow the regulations ( I don't make these regulations)
Quote:This idea of us all being forced to tolerate each other in one big global community isn't natural IMO. I've been watching people for more decades now that I want to admit, and what I see is -hmm... i wonder what my "own kind" is:confused:... apart from humanity. we all have life experience to reference, and, sadly, i've got a couple of decades on you:grin:that's not to denigrate or demean your experience or perspective, and i would say, that until a decade back i'd (largely) agree with your perspective. however, i've done a lot of moving since then, and had a many contacts with individuals from all (well, most) walks of life - and my current perspective is that kind and selfish people exist everywhere, no matter what race, religion, nationality, political persuasion... and further, relating personal experience, when i was at uni just a couple of years back, although all the British school leavers congregated and got drunk together, the international students from across the world and across culture, to the large, part got on famously. it seems to me, what makes people congregate is sure, shared identity - although this could just as easily be categorised as 'ignorance of alternate identity' - which means fear, ignorance, protection...
that people naturally congregate with their own kind (whether that is by race, ideas, values ect..) even with in large groups of many kinds.
I believe your "uni" reference is a perfect example of what I meant.
People are more comfortable with those whom they have something in common with.
I don't call that fear or ignorance, though you may - it's debatable.
I call it a normal natural trait.
If I choose not to be involved with a certain group, it isn't out of fear, tho that may be others reason.
btw, I'm pretty sure that we are about the same age. There is no way that you could be two decades older than me. That would make you around 60.
personally i don't want to "force you to tolerate" anyone - not that that is possible - but i am also sure i don't have to remind you what Jesus' perspective on tolerance would be.
Tolerate, to me means - to put up with, even though you disaggree.
The American Heritage Dictionary defines tolerance as "the capacity for or practice of recognizing and respecting the options, practices, or behavior of others
I and most others can do this, but these days it means something more like - put up with and agree with.
I should be able to respect and still disagree. But these days that isn't enough, we need to form agreement, -to not do, say, or even imply anything that any other individual or group might find offensive.
"If you are intolerant of someone who is intolerant, then you have necessarily violated your own principle. But if you tolerate those who are intolerant, you keep your principle, but sacrifice your responsibility to the principle." - S. D. Gaede
Jesus would tolerate, but not agree with, he would tell the person to go and sin no more.
Jesus was quite intolerant and outspoken at times for example - with the Pharisees over religious man made rules and rituals that hampered true love of God. (Matt. 12: 1-8, Mk. 7: 1-13)
Quote:It builds tension to make them interact unwillingly with others, they tolerate each other in a work or school type setting, but then voluntarily go back to those with common traits, and all seem to want their own space where they can separate from others, it seems to me to be a natural human trait.fear then, not love, is the natural human trait? are you sure? really? how depressing.
Like I said, I don't see wanting to be with others whom have something in common as fear, but you may.
Quote:I see this erasure of borders as part of the NWO agenda. For when we are no longer many groups of individuals, but one big global family, we will be more easily manipulated, by force of global consensus.
i see precisely the opposite - increased border controls, more restrictions - and increasing use of nationalism, racism &c to further geopolitical agendas - divide and conquer, not create a solid unit. Sun Tzu observed 2,500 years back twigs are easily snapped while the trunk remains strong.
although i can understand why no one on this board would want a global consensus, with all having an equal say. i doubt there is even one of us who wouldn't loose enormous amounts in some global leveling. which is also the last thing TPTB want - so at least we can find common association... tbc...
oh yes, the antithesis, I wonder what the synthesis will be.
I think that the border issue is is being used to accomplish a goal that will end in a corporate police state, - a global borderless, corporate police state. With common laws for the good of the of the people of the global village and common law trade regulations for the corporations.
And yes, I too believe that we will be closely monitored, regulated and confined - when that day comes.
Those of us that have the ability to travel about freely now will loss it after the global village has been fully constructed. (or at least those who don't go along with the party)
However, the NWO - elite globalist agenda does include, IMO - a global village, global economy, global interests, global needs, ... and controlled communities / cities that we will be forced into.
Where they will need an erasure of borders, - not so much to allow us to come and go and do as we please, but rather an erasure of the national sovereignty.
An erasure of national laws so that the global business can operate to the elites advantage more easily. So they can achieve the total control that they desire over all the villagers.
Quote:"Citizenship for the next century is learning to live together. The 21st Century city will be a city of social solidarity.... " - Federico Mayor, Director General of UNESCO
"We should stop bemoaning the growth of cities," "It's going to happen and it's a good thing, because cities are the vectors of social change and transformation." - Dr. Ismail Serageldin, Vice President of The World Bank.
* edit - excuse the large print, I had quote problems :whatthe:
Define "fighting the New World Order" or "the movement" - jack - 04-26-2008 08:22 AM
Quote:hey jack, don't want it to seem like i'm picking on you but your points/arguments sparked certain questions/perspectives/observations so feel i need to voice them.
Quote:Hold onto your principles, do not go with the crowd !!!absolutely! although often this is not always easy, and sometimes perhaps, we don't even notice we're doing it. like, for example, the observation in your previous post that we (most) prefer to associate with those of similar culture/race/perspective. do you not see a tension here? (although accepted, you didn't say you did it, but you do make it sound like it's OK, even preferential)
Quote:zeitgesit tells us that the new world order is going to happen and we can defeat iti am not familiar with the film but i do accept that the Bible (for i believe that to be the book to which you are referring) predicts some sort of unifying power structure and that the kings of the earth will commit adultery with the merchants. from this perspective it would seem, rather than any sort of conspiracies what we have is inevitability - predicted almost 2,000 years back! and although some like to use the term NWO, as trueaim recognises, there is nothing whatsoever 'new' about the perpetrators, Pope & co have always exercised control and they've always used the same tactics.
however a book that I am familiar with, (that some here despise) tells us that new world order is inevitable, has already been prophesized.
Quote:NWO = singular global systems and global unity -- sounds good, doesn't it ?well, that's what the sky godders have always been after - Jews, Christians, Muslims - it's not a secret! not personally do i see why it should be any sort of problem, if the one in control has the wisdom and love of God.
Quote:Even a global spirituality - the dawn of a brighter agesorry you don't appreciate it
just trust your inner light to illuminate you path, and evolve into an embodiment of compassion, understanding, and knowledge. - ahhh, so sweet will be the new order of things - Happy Happy, Joy Joy
Quote:The NWO aim is total global domination, - but first they must bring us into a state of unity by the elimination of individualism.i don't understand the logic here. to my mind they love individualism, selfishness, lack of compassion/association, except on the most superficial of levels (branding), they do not want genuine communication or shared identities - they like "us and them", with the outside as something to fear - divide and conquer!
Quote:Let me ask you,i am an individual, yet, i am also part of humanity, existence. these are absolutes and i'm afraid i rather hang on to absolutes - a fundamentalist, some might call me. what am i? according to the sky godders i am part of God's creation, according to most of the eastern religions i'm part of God itself. upon first glance one might think that there would be an impossible tension here but in actuality, at least in how one relates to the other, no! for it matters not one jot, when it comes to offering respect, as to whether the other is part of God or God's creation. personally, as part of creation in whatever form, i wish to harmonise with all other - at least theoretically - i am not denying there that are people who i find it easier to do this with than others but also feel to make me a healthier and more well rounded person, i should attempt to overcome the fear/ignorance/intolerance... which stands in the way. rather than pander to it.
- how many of you actually want to be ONE with your neighbor, ONE with you community ???
(did you answer yes, - are you sure that you mean it.
What if they don't synthesis with you, - what if they hang on to absolutes,
do you really like or agree with them that much,
do you really wish to forfeit your sovereignty for the sake of continuing relationship with those whom disagree with you ?
sometimes the common ground is rather small, isn't it ?)
Welcome to the new global order, - isn't it grand.
Quote:Do you want to live in neighborhoods governed like Chinese-Soviet community collectives ???this sounds like US commie paranoia. have you ever worked in a community? personally i would say it was one of the most rewarding experiences of my life. i think rather than "community collectives", TPTB have more sweatshop/workhouse environment in mind.
Do you want centralized control over you life ???
Quote:Do you hold to your principles or do you go with the crowd ???i have no principals... there is no crowd :biggrin:
divide and conquer is a means to and end
only God holds the wisdom and love of God
And No, I don't think man is capably of that type of enlightenment, which is why Christ was crucified for our sin and arrogance so that we could be forgiven
(of course, you already knew that we disagree on that topic, I don't mind - do you? )
you are referring to community collectives joined willingly,
not being manipulated into cities where we will then be forced to interact under a consensus that you or I may disagree with.
Define "fighting the New World Order" or "the movement" - yeti - 04-26-2008 08:46 AM
Quote:only God holds the wisdom and love of God
And No, I don't think man is capably of that type of enlightenment, which is why Christ was crucified for our sin and arrogance so that we could be forgiven
Quote:you are referring to community collectives joined willingly,Sounds like NYC. Everybody takes pride in disagreeing with each other, but when a crisis happens, they come together instantly. There is a lot of pride in NYC. Same thing with Chicago. Philadelphia. Montreal...
not being manipulated into cities where we will then be forced to interact under a consensus that you or I may disagree with.
LA is altogether another story.
Some cities just don't work. There's no cohesion, no common feel.
New Orleans used to have that. Thanks again, Bush muthafucka!! You will be brought to justice.
We are justice. We are relentless. We are always triumphant.
Define "fighting the New World Order" or "the movement" - jack - 04-26-2008 08:49 PM
Quote:Quote:you are referring to community collectives joined willingly,Sounds like NYC. Everybody takes pride in disagreeing with each other, but when a crisis happens, they come together instantly. There is a lot of pride in NYC. Same thing with Chicago. Philadelphia. Montreal...
not being manipulated into cities where we will then be forced to interact under a consensus that you or I may disagree with.
LA is altogether another story.
Some cities just don't work. There's no cohesion, no common feel.
New Orleans used to have that. Thanks again, Bush muthafucka!! You will be brought to justice.
We are justice. We are relentless. We are always triumphant.
Yikes, I don't like NYC, big and stinky, crowded and ugly (or that's how I personally saw Manhattan at least) - Philly is Ok.
It's not the people so much (Manhattan), though they did seem rude to me. I just don't like big cities, I don't like crowded areas.
I found the folks living in Philadelphia to be much nicer, more polite.
The larger cities that I've spent the most time (many months) in are in NJ.
NJ is quite a diverse multi-cultural place. The first township, that I spent time in, over a month was smaller (Edison) I must admit I had a bit of culture shock, it was almost ALL foreigners, even more, much more, than I noticed in Manhattan (it was unexpected to travel to a location in america that was so devoid of american citizens.) Now these folks might be able to come together under a crisis situation, but they sure were not together as a whole.
It and the other highly diverse cities that I have spent time in, in NJ were all very tense and unfriendly - IMO. Everyone grouping off and seemingly not liking the other.
Now some may say that was due to fear and ignorance, but I just don't believe that. - To me they really just seemed to not like each other, after all what is there to be scared of.
I am not scared of my Chinese (not a citizen) next door neighbor, the Russian (not a citizen) who lives 6 doors down, the Middle Eastern Muslim (unknown citizenship) around the corner, the Mexicans ( some citizens, some not) a block away or the rednecks scattered throughout. Actually we all talk and get along just fine, though we don't talk about controversial issues very often.
Many people that were there in NJ didn't seem to want to be there, seemed to be resentful of the fact that they had to leave where ever it was they were originally living to earn a living. Even the Americans that weren't native to NJ, - some seemed proud to be in the cities, away from their small backwards towns, - but others were home sick and longed to back in their rural areas (I would fall into this category, - though had I been there 13 yrs or more earlier I would be in the first group, - feeling my original home small uncultured and ignorant, I now appreciate the solitude and rural areas much more than the supposed culture of the city) - but they needed to earn a living so there they were.
Yes, here in America we are being moved / forced to move, to earn a living. Now couple this with real or imagined environmental crisis - we are also being forced to interact, like it or not, willingly or not, in the new emerging sustainable communities.
Now I believe that folks like to interact with people with many different types of thoughts, philosophies and heritage, when they choose, on their free will, - but not when manipulated into it through markets and finances, which also have been manipulated IMO to achieve that very goal.
The goal of forcing us into cities and out of rural areas - the goal of forcing folks from different nations here, or other places, to survive, due to issues in their homelands.
(now before any one thinks that I am contradicting myself, because I previously said that peeps like to be with others whom share a common trait, well - I'm not. It's a different thing to willingly participate with others, but that doesn't mean however, that folks don't still enjoy having a home and spending time amongst those that they have more in common with, whatever that may be)
I believe that TPTB want this manipulated interaction to occur, to change us. The manipulated interaction results in change through the Hegelian dialectical process, consensus is the very essence of the Hegelian principle after all. - In theory, this principle provides, then, a pathway to continual evolution to Oneness of Mind, to "ultimate wholeness achieved through freedom, reason and knowledge."
I see this as part of the plan to help create change into the NWO.
This is what I think, my opinion, - regardless of whether or not anyone else agrees.
I spent the first years of my adult life (16-27) believing, what I now have learned to be considered Marxist, though I was unfamiliar with that term then and wouldn't of been interested. Now, I think differently, but see my previous way of thinking all around me.
I believe what I believe and that's OK, others believe what others believe and that is also OK.
But certainly I am not the only person that sees that, this manipulated moving of people into cities, creates conflict that leads to change. -- Whether that change is positive or not is a matter of opinion.
Define "fighting the New World Order" or "the movement" - triplesix - 04-26-2008 10:23 PM
Quote:feeling my original home small uncultured and ignorant, I now appreciate the solitude and rural areas much more than the supposed culture of the cityRight on. While hillbillies tend to be stupid, they also tend to be honest and true to themselves. Hipsters on the other hand can be all types of evil while hiding behind the fact they recycle or eat vegan food.
Define "fighting the New World Order" or "the movement" - jack - 04-27-2008 12:10 AM
Quote:Quote:feeling my original home small uncultured and ignorant, I now appreciate the solitude and rural areas much more than the supposed culture of the cityRight on. While hillbillies tend to be stupid, they also tend to be honest and true to themselves. Hipsters on the other hand can be all types of evil while hiding behind the fact they recycle or eat vegan food.
yes, that's me a stupid hillbilly :biggrin: with verbal skills that pale compared to the supposed intelligentsia, from good old backward WV, (I used to hate it, but after seeing more of this country, I now miss it - I didn't appreciate what I had - moved fast when I was 18)
a land owned and controlled by the Rockefellers, yet beautiful and rural, where poor people think for themselves, do as they please and mind their own business, (plus grow some killer weed) in spite of the evil hand that controls the resource rich hills.
Define "fighting the New World Order" or "the movement" - --- - 04-27-2008 12:33 AM
well said
Define "fighting the New World Order" or "the movement" - hilly7 - 04-27-2008 06:13 AM
Quote:Quote:feeling my original home small uncultured and ignorant, I now appreciate the solitude and rural areas much more than the supposed culture of the cityRight on. While hillbillies tend to be stupid, they also tend to be honest and true to themselves. Hipsters on the other hand can be all types of evil while hiding behind the fact they recycle or eat vegan food.
Ouch, Hillbillies are stupid? Perhaps we aren't as skilled at political correctness. I get a lot of people making the misconception that we're stupid in the office, then they find out differently, usually the hard way. Then again, usually under estimation always in favor of the one under estimated. I do appreciate that honest and true to themselves comment.
The way I read Jack's post was that (correct me if I'm wrong), people naturally hang with someone they have in common. The more people have in common, the closer they become. It's one thing to chose to be friends with, or live close to someone who is different, to be forced to is another.
I think TPTB want us all the same, ie. "hive mind". Of course when this happens, they will have a firmer control. They hate difference, but since there are more of us that them, what better way to coral everybody than to let them fight amoungst themselves? Put 2 bulls in the same field, make them share, and there will be a fight. Look at the nations they have conquered, making them the same and many times forcing people to interact on a face to face level. TPTB, believe in nothing but themselves, have no morals, stand for really nothing other than power, cowards, and stand no real ground. They know people in general do stand for something, have morals, and care for more than themselves, they believe in more than themself.