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Bill Cooper's death - yeti - 06-24-2012 10:06 PM
(06-24-2012 04:46 PM)ryba77 Wrote: Yes, Bill is dead now, but why is he dead?
He's dead because he shot a cop in the face.
RE: Government Control Freaks Forcing Preppers Off Their Land (2012) - SpigotOnHOT - 06-25-2012 02:19 AM
(06-24-2012 10:06 PM)yeti Wrote:(06-24-2012 04:46 PM)ryba77 Wrote: Yes, Bill is dead now, but why is he dead?
He's dead because he shot a cop in the face.
That's one way of looking at it. Another is that he was a man slapped with phony tax charges by the IRS, and wasnt going to be pushed around. So when someone ("a cop", or many cops in this case) came to abduct him against his will, he defended his right to be free(shooting an ignorant cop in the face).
RE: Government Control Freaks Forcing Preppers Off Their Land (2012) - yeti - 06-25-2012 03:22 AM
(06-25-2012 02:19 AM)SpigotOnHOT Wrote: he was a man slapped with phony tax charges by the IRS, and wasnt going to be pushed around. So when someone ("a cop", or many cops in this case) came to abduct him against his will, he defended his right to be free(shooting an ignorant cop in the face).
The reason the cops were there had nothing to do with the IRS. They were serving a warrant for weapons charges.
It sounds like you believe that it's OK to shoot a cop in the face because he's doing his job. Am I right?
RE: Government Control Freaks Forcing Preppers Off Their Land (2012) - SiLVa - 06-25-2012 06:28 AM
The cops were there at near midnight and in plain clothes pretending to be kids partying down the street, to provoke Bill to come outside. The officers involved were told to not let him back in the house alive because they claimed he had multiple assault rifles and explosives inside, which was not true. They didn't follow protocol to get him medical care, and the autopsy showed evidence of point black execution style shooting.
I think you do have a right to defend yourself if people are shooting at you and you have no idea why.
RE: Government Control Freaks Forcing Preppers Off Their Land (2012) - yeti - 06-25-2012 04:14 PM
(06-25-2012 06:28 AM)SiLVa Wrote: The officers involved were told to not let him back in the house alive because they claimed he had multiple assault rifles and explosives inside
I'd like to see your proof of that.
(06-25-2012 06:28 AM)SiLVa Wrote: They didn't follow protocol to get him medical care,
How so? Do you have proof that this is true?
(06-25-2012 06:28 AM)SiLVa Wrote: the autopsy showed evidence of point black execution style shooting.
Where is this report?
(06-25-2012 06:28 AM)SiLVa Wrote: I think you do have a right to defend yourself if people are shooting at you and you have no idea why.
OK, but that doesn't apply in this case. They identified themselves as sheriff's deputies. He shot one of them in the face before they fired on him.
RE: Government Control Freaks Forcing Preppers Off Their Land (2012) - Loke - 06-25-2012 06:05 PM
SiLVa probably read this webpage: http://www.burlingtonnews.net/cooper.html?
The bible-thumbing crazed and lunatic "Good o'le Bill" actually did shoot a (police)man not one, but twice in the face, before being gunned down as a mad dog himself...
Quote:The deputy, whose name was being withheld by authorities, was shot twice in the head while trying to arrest Cooper, a state Department of Public Safety spokesman said today.
Quote:PRESS RELEASE FROM SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT
Details are still sketchy on what caused the Cooper shootout on November 5, 2001, but a fax sent from the Apache County Sheriff's office sheds some more light on the subject.
William Cooper was fatally wounded during a late night gunfight. Contrary to what was reported earlier, it was not a SWAT raid, but a simple confrontation between police and Cooper. One Apache County deputy, Robert Martinez was critically wounded in the exchange. Here's what we know so far:
According to the Sheriff's report, several deputies were positioned outside the Cooper residence to serve a warrant for Aggravated Assault and two counts of endangerment. Cooper had stated numerous times in the past that he would not surrender to law enforcement via his website and shortwave radio. Obviously, law enforcement took him seriously. The showdown began at approximately 12:15 pm local time.
After leaving his residence in his vehicle, the report states that Cooper confronted plain clothed deputies a short distance away. "As Cooper drove back to his residence, deputies attempted to stop him using a fully marked patrol vehicle to block the driveway. Cooper refused to stop or comply with verbal orders by the deputies", according to the report.
Cooper then drove around the patrol car to evade the arrest, and the report stated that he tried to run over one of the deputies en route back to his residence. Cooper was then followed a short distance to his residence where this time he was confronted by uniformed deputies. "After refusing once again to comply with the deputies orders, Cooper exited his vehicle and began running toward the house, firing shots with a handgun toward the deputies", the report said.
No where in the report did it mention that Cooper only had one leg - the other lost in combat long ago. Cooper died on the scene.
When Deputy Martinez took a head shot, officers returned fire, the report said. According to the Sheriff's office, "the surgery on Martinez went well" , but the condition is still critical. There was a positive history written up about Martinez in the report, but nothing positive about Cooper, of course. Deputy Marinez has served as a law enforcement officer for 4 years and was serving as a tactical officer at the time of the shooting. His experience also includes patrol and criminal investigation. Deputy Marinez is 40 years old and has served as a United States Marine during Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm. Deputy Marinez is married with three children.
Quote:Another [later] Version by Sheriffs Department
In 1998, the Federal government had several outstanding warrants for Cooper and his wife for tax evasion and bank fraud. On his website, Cooper began posting daily updates on the activities of federal agents as they attempted to serve the warrants. The Feds had to act cautiously as the highly-publicised debacles of Waco, Texas and Ruby Ridge, Idaho, were prominent in the minds of officials and the watching public. Coopers Asian wife Annie and two daughters had left the United States in June 2000; Cooper claimed he sent them away for their own safety. Fearing that he too might soon be under siege, Cooper used his radio broadcasts and website to remind everyone about these tragedies, which had ended in the deaths of the Branch Davidians and Vicky Weaver and son at the hands of the FBI. He also used these platforms to reiterate his intention to use lethal force on anyone who trespassed on his property, including law enforcement officers who might "attempt to serve illegal warrants."
And so, in November 2001, it came to an explosive end. Cooper spotted a man driving past his home and for some reason ran out of his house, jumped in his car and drove after the man to make him pull over. Cooper threatened him at gunpoint. It transpired that the man was a local doctor; he waited till Cooper left then contacted the police, who issued a warrant against Cooper for "aggravated assault with a deadly weapon."
Apparently sensing Coopers mental disintegration, the local authorities convinced the Federal authorities to back off to prevent a possible tragedy. However, they were also convinced that Cooper presented a real threat to the community; he was known to be heavily armed. They decided on a ruse to arrest Cooper by luring him out of his house. The plan involved deputy sheriffs in civilian clothes pretending to be teenagers on a lark in a pickup truck, driving around Coopers home at midnight; uniformed officers would wait out of sight nearby.
The plan worked; but instead of approaching the pickup truck on foot, Cooper jumped into his car and chased them. The police then identified themselves and ordered him to surrender. Instead, Cooper pulled out an automatic pistol, jumped back into his car and raced back to his house. When a police car attempted to block his way, he swerved around it and tried to run down an officer. Pulling up to his door, he jumped out, pistol in hand. Uniformed officers again ordered him to surrender. Cooper refused and began firing. Deputy Robert Marinez - a 40-year-old former Marine Corps veteran of Desert Storm and father of three children - was struck in the head. Officers returned fire, killing Cooper. At last report, Deputy Marinez was in critical condition at a Trauma Unit in Phoenix, Arizona. On 15 November, a memorial service was held for Cooper at the Jewkes Mortuary in Eagar, Arizona.
I have about as much sympathy for Milton William "Bill" Cooper, as I have for Jan Molenaar and Anders Brievik - and that isn't much. Beside rightfully being deemed crimes, then killing unarmed people and police-officers is perhaps the "best thing" anyone can do to hurt our common but almost lost case of truth, freedom and human rights.
We already have the result from incidents like this. The frequency, scale and means of violence against us "dissidents" from authorities have escalated beyond all reason - yet with full public support. Secret police, informing and crowd-control has become so normally exercised, and are being so publicly accepted, that Stasi in East-Germany would have been utterly green of sheer envy. The next Cooper are now just being SWAT'ed from the start, right after the SWAT-team has kicked in the door of the next small-time pot-growing Molenaar - and if he's lucky; only his dog will be shot. And, as the pressure builds, then the next murderous and psychopathic Breivik will undoubtedly surface, and escalate to even more insane levels of violence. All that (political) violence have achieved is that it have made people fear each other and have created a huge (most often unconscious) consensus for the NWO-politic of everybody being controllable; disarmed, medicated and in all and any way rendered totally harmless.
Governments are world-champions of violence - it's their game, their rules and nobody can even compare. Violence will only lead to the demise of our cause!
RE: Government Control Freaks Forcing Preppers Off Their Land (2012) - SiLVa - 06-26-2012 04:29 PM
(06-25-2012 04:14 PM)yeti Wrote:(06-25-2012 06:28 AM)SiLVa Wrote: The officers involved were told to not let him back in the house alive because they claimed he had multiple assault rifles and explosives inside
I'd like to see your proof of that.
(06-25-2012 06:28 AM)SiLVa Wrote: They didn't follow protocol to get him medical care,
How so? Do you have proof that this is true?
You really think there is proof of them being told to not let him back in the house? Are you that naive? Like you care either way...you've made up your mind already when it comes to Cooper.
And based off what evidence that youve seen? I didnt read any news paper articles, I get my information from Doyel, one of his closest friends at the time. He spoke with the officers involved after the shooting. All this information was relayed to him.
Think about it, if they shot him damn near midnight and didnt have any ambulance on the scene within an hour, that would be negligent. That is exactly what happened. Ambulance didnt show up til almost 6 in the morning.
(06-25-2012 04:14 PM)yeti Wrote:(06-25-2012 06:28 AM)SiLVa Wrote: the autopsy showed evidence of point black execution style shooting.
Where is this report?
Why, couldnt look for it yourself? There is also more information on this from Doyels perspective in the Documentary, Hour of our Time.
Here's his Autopsy report:
http://hourofthetime.com/1-LF/Bill_autopsy_report_07Nov2001.pdf
Take note of the gunshot wound to the head. Stipling around the wound is evidence of an extremely close (inches) shot to the head.
Is that fucking protocol? I dont think so.
If you want the toxicology report I can get that too.
(06-25-2012 04:14 PM)yeti Wrote: OK, but that doesn't apply in this case. They identified themselves as sheriff's deputies.
Oh yeah? Where's your evidence of that?
I never said Bill didnt do anything wrong. But they clearly murdered him that night. the evidence is overwhelming. He was an old man with a prosthetic leg, They couldve taken him alive had they really wanted to. Clearly, that wasnt the intention.
(06-25-2012 06:05 PM)Loke Wrote: SiLVa probably read this webpage: http://www.burlingtonnews.net/cooper.html?
The bible-thumbing crazed and lunatic "Good o'le Bill" actually did shoot a (police)man not one, but twice in the face, before being gunned down as a mad dog himself...
I have about as much sympathy for Milton William "Bill" Cooper, as I have for Jan Molenaar and Anders Brievik - and that isn't much. Beside rightfully being deemed crimes, then killing unarmed people and police-officers is perhaps the "best thing" anyone can do to hurt our common but almost lost case of truth, freedom and human rights.
We already have the result from incidents like this. The frequency, scale and means of violence against us "dissidents" from authorities have escalated beyond all reason - yet with full public support. Secret police, informing and crowd-control has become so normally exercised, and are being so publicly accepted, that Stasi in East-Germany would have been utterly green of sheer envy. The next Cooper are now just being SWAT'ed from the start, right after the SWAT-team has kicked in the door of the next small-time pot-growing Molenaar - and if he's lucky; only his dog will be shot. And, as the pressure builds, then the next murderous and psychopathic Breivik will undoubtedly surface, and escalate to even more insane levels of violence. All that (political) violence have achieved is that it have made people fear each other and have created a huge (most often unconscious) consensus for the NWO-politic of everybody being controllable; disarmed, medicated and in all and any way rendered totally harmless.
Governments are world-champions of violence - it's their game, their rules and nobody can even compare. Violence will only lead to the demise of our cause!
You assume too much. I didnt get my info from an article. I know a good friend of Bill Coopers. Dont always believe everything you read.
Cooper wasnt a Bible thumper. He may have considered himself a christian but he was no bible thumper, that much I know for sure.
To compare Cooper to Jan Molenaar and Anders Brievik is not understanding the facts. Cooper wouldve never shot anyone if he wasnt provoked out of his home and threatened by people who were not dressed as police officers. If he was being handed a warrant through his front door, perhaps things wouldve been different. The whole set up and everything afterwards makes this a unique case. Its not as if Cooper went on a rampage trying to kill cops at random. Thats not what happened. Infact you are right to an extent, Cooper even wrote that shootings would increase and lead to a more clamping down on society, however I dont think he was including shooting in self defense.
RE: [split] Bill Cooper's death - rsol - 06-26-2012 05:36 PM
I'm going to ask about the doctor. he seems to be the spark here. is this true that he threatened a doctor with a weapon?
I think that is the most important aspect here.
Self defence is one thing. however, if you are walking around with a gun ready to fire on anyone near by and show people........If I was in charge i would consider you a threat. regardless of politics or if you home school your kids, live off the grid... whatever. threatening other members of the public with a lethal weapon makes you a danger and thus makes arrest inevitable.....
If there is a police officer with a gun shot to the head, if there was a murder going on, that cop wouldn't be breathing through a tube. if its all a set up why bother with a confrontation. such a thing would bring more possibility for witnesses. all im saying if it was a murder to be dressed up as an altercation, that's a pretty awful way to plan it.
I consider the branch dividion thing to be a disgrace, it doesn't mean that armed militiamen have the rights to walk about bullying doctors just because they "think" it might be the man.....
From an English person, i have always wondered about the American obsession with being heavily armed in order to feel safe.... feelings come from a state of mind, not a state of affairs....
I know that there are folks here crying fowl. cool. but dont just assert. if you wish to dig this up then great. yeti makes his mind up on the evidence. if you have better evidence he will change his mind. I am of similar mindset with a slightly less abrasive way of putting it across. forgive the hairy one silva.
RE: [split] Bill Cooper's death - SiLVa - 06-26-2012 07:06 PM
According to Cooper's friend Doyel,
The doctor, Dr. Scott Hamblin, had an elaborate story of Bill following him to his home and pulling all the way into the driveway, facing the Living Room windows. He claims to have gone out and confronted Bill and the doctor's wife claims to have watched the entire incident out the window, less than 15 feet from the truck. However, the Eagar Police dropped the complaint and statement that they made because the license plate number they gave, description of his truck, color of his truck, etc. was all wrong. The "gun" description was wrong, his height was wrong compared to the husband, etc.
So obviously the local police didnt think this was worth issuing a warrant. They had a relationship with Cooper and most likely didnt even think this was going anywhere.
The whole "raid" was not handled by the county Sheriff, it was organized by one of his underlings, The Sheriff was out of town that day. The Sheriff had told Doyel that it would not have gone down that way if he was there.
Im done with this topic...just wish some would keeps their wrong/unjustified comments to themselves. Its obvious that Yeti has always had a bias opinion when it comes to Bill Cooper. There's always more to the story.
Here are links to the transcripts of an interview with Doyel regarding this subject:
http://www.hourofthetime.com/robdoyelbillmurderpartone.html
http://www.hourofthetime.com/robdoyelbillmurderparttwo.html
RE: Government Control Freaks Forcing Preppers Off Their Land (2012) - yeti - 06-26-2012 07:26 PM
(06-26-2012 04:29 PM)SiLVa Wrote: You really think there is proof of them being told to not let him back in the house?
You made the claim, so you have to prove it or withdraw the claim.
(06-26-2012 04:29 PM)SiLVa Wrote: Are you that naive? Like you care either way...you've made up your mind already when it comes to Cooper.
I think he was a dangerous drunken lying fraudulent asshole, as did pretty much everyone who met him.
(06-26-2012 04:29 PM)SiLVa Wrote: Think about it, if they shot him damn near midnight and didnt have any ambulance on the scene within an hour, that would be negligent. That is exactly what happened. Ambulance didnt show up til almost 6 in the morning.
Wasn't there an ambulance for the cop who was shot in the face?
(06-26-2012 04:29 PM)SiLVa Wrote:(06-25-2012 04:14 PM)yeti Wrote: OK, but that doesn't apply in this case. They identified themselves as sheriff's deputies.Oh yeah? Where's your evidence of that?
The sheriff's report.
(06-26-2012 04:29 PM)SiLVa Wrote: they clearly murdered him that night. the evidence is overwhelming. He was an old man with a prosthetic leg, They couldve taken him alive had they really wanted to. Clearly, that wasnt the intention.
He shot a cop in the face. They had a reason to kill him, called self-defense. Killing in self-defense is not murder. The evidence is overwhelming. Had he not shot a cop the story could have been completely different.
If it was my intention to resist arrest by shooting cops, the last thing I would do would be to publicly say so.
Cooper is on record numerous times on public radio saying if they served warrants on him he'd never be taken alive. These are the words of a lunatic. Cooper was obviously a lunatic.
RE: [split] Bill Cooper's death - yeti - 06-26-2012 07:45 PM
(06-26-2012 07:06 PM)SiLVa Wrote: Its obvious that Yeti has always had a bias opinion when it comes to Bill Cooper. There's always more to the story.
My opinion of Cooper, which is shared by many many people, is based purely on Cooper's words and actions.
If you want to defend a lunatic who has brought nothing but shame to the truth seeking movement, OK, but you need to wake up to the reality of how much he did to destroy it, and be prepared to explain why such a person is worthy of anything but contempt.
Many of his defenders believe Cooper's frequent claims that he was an original researcher. It has been proven time and again that Cooper brought no original research to light at all. Younger people listen to his HOTT and other broadcasts and assume that because they heard the info from him first that he was the first. Bullshit. He rehashed it all, often while reading it directly from a book while on air.
RE: [split] Bill Cooper's death - SiLVa - 06-26-2012 08:10 PM
I'd like to see the original sheriffs report, where did you see it?
You can claim lunaitic all you want- facts are facts. Youre just cherry picking what you want to label him a crazy nut so you could ignore the facts. Protocol was not followed.
- Local police were not notified of the raid until after it was done.
- They didnt show up in proper uniform to serve the warrant.
- It was done near midnight
- After Cooper told the undercover agents that he was calling the local cops, they were supposed to reveal that they were county police - They did not.
- if they intended to have him cared for, they would have had an ambulance ready for him like they had for their fellow officer.
(06-26-2012 07:45 PM)yeti Wrote: My opinion of Cooper, which is shared by many many people, is based purely on Cooper's words and actions.Shared by many many people means nothing - a fallacy in fact. I can find many that believe the opposite. Many people with ill feelings toward Cooper also do not take into account that he apologized for information he put out there that many were upset with him about. He isnt a perfect human being, who do you know is infalible?
(06-26-2012 07:45 PM)yeti Wrote: If you want to defend a lunatic who has brought nothing but shame to the truth seeking movement, OK, but you need to wake up to the reality of how much he did to destroy it, and be prepared to explain why such a person is worthy of anything but contempt.
Here we go again...calling names without proof. Dont you ban people for doing that?
He has brought far more positive to the "truth seeking movement", as you put it, than shame. Otherwise people wouldnt still look to him as a patriot. And Im sure I remember you defending the good qualities of people like Alex Jones or Davis Icke, without harping on the plentiful amount of shameful moments both have brought us. I would love for you to elaborate on exactly how much Bill did to destroy it. As I pointed out, he apologized for mistakes he made but always encouraged people to do their own research.
(06-26-2012 07:45 PM)yeti Wrote: Many of his defenders believe Cooper's frequent claims that he was an original researcher. It has been proven time and again that Cooper brought no original research to light at all. Younger people listen to his HOTT and other broadcasts and assume that because they heard the info from him first that he was the first. Bullshit. He rehashed it all, often while reading it directly from a book while on air.He did do his own research. Doyel did as well. They formed CAJI as a network to do just that share research and information. Stuff he read over the air was never claimed to be his own research , but rather it was information he had found while doing research. He always gave the names of the books he was reading. He didnt take credit for anyone elses work and I dare you to prove otherwise.
RE: [split] Bill Cooper's death - yeti - 06-26-2012 09:14 PM
(06-26-2012 08:10 PM)SiLVa Wrote: You can claim lunaitic all you want- facts are facts.
You can claim all you want that going on public record saying you're going to kill cops is not the action of a lunatic. The vast majority of the people on this planet agree with me. Facts are facts indeed!
(06-26-2012 08:10 PM)SiLVa Wrote: Youre just cherry picking what you want to label him a crazy nut so you could ignore the facts.
Bullshit. Quit lying to justify your defense of a lunatic. Cooper was a crazy nut long before he suicided by cop.
Cooper claimed that the driver shot JFK based on grainy film he stole from a former business partner. Tell me that's not the action of a lunatic.
(06-26-2012 08:10 PM)SiLVa Wrote: - They didnt show up in proper uniform to serve the warrant.
You claim this is a fact? Others dispute this. Therefore it's not a fact.
(06-26-2012 08:10 PM)SiLVa Wrote: After Cooper told the undercover agents that he was calling the local cops, they were supposed to reveal that they were county police - They did not.
You claim this is a fact? Others dispute this. Therefore it's not a fact.
(06-26-2012 08:10 PM)SiLVa Wrote: if they intended to have him cared for, they would have had an ambulance ready for him like they had for their fellow officer.
You're claiming that because they didn't send an ambulance for 6 plus hours that they didn't care for him. How is it possible to care for a dead guy? How likely is it that cops are going to care for a corpse that shot one of them in the face?
RE: [split] Bill Cooper's death - SiLVa - 06-26-2012 10:06 PM
(06-26-2012 09:14 PM)yeti Wrote:Appeal to majority is still a fallacy, not good enough.(06-26-2012 08:10 PM)SiLVa Wrote: You can claim lunaitic all you want- facts are facts.
You can claim all you want that going on public record saying you're going to kill cops is not the action of a lunatic. The vast majority of the people on this planet agree with me. Facts are facts indeed!
Now youre reaching... Someone saying that if the feds come onto their property where they have no jurisdiction, they will be shot is not the sign of a lunatic- its not even a crime to say so! Otherwise it wouldve been 1998 that they went after him- not 2001.
This is some weak evidence to prove him a lunatic yeti, come on.
(06-26-2012 09:14 PM)yeti Wrote: Bullshit. Quit lying to justify your defense of a lunatic. Cooper was a crazy nut long before he suicided by cop.
No sir, your'e lying by ommision. I dont have to justify shit. Its you that has to justify your overwhelming hate of a dead man that made some mistakes, but was someone thats brought many people on the side of seeking real truth not just blind nationalism. What have I lied about?
(06-26-2012 09:14 PM)yeti Wrote: Cooper claimed that the driver shot JFK based on grainy film he stole from a former business partner. Tell me that's not the action of a lunatic.
Its not the act of a lunatic. AJ also claimed Russia launched nukes in Y2K, does that mean he's a lunatic? Or just a flawed individual?
Cooper had flaws, Ive said that many times. He was a recovering alcoholic, had anger issues. That doesnt mean he was a lunatic. Easy for people to write off as one but thats just too easy- and lazy. There's always more to the story.
(06-26-2012 09:14 PM)yeti Wrote:What "others" are you talking about? The people that killed him?(06-26-2012 08:10 PM)SiLVa Wrote: - They didnt show up in proper uniform to serve the warrant.
You claim this is a fact? Others dispute this. Therefore it's not a fact.
(06-26-2012 08:10 PM)SiLVa Wrote: After Cooper told the undercover agents that he was calling the local cops, they were supposed to reveal that they were county police - They did not.
You claim this is a fact? Others dispute this. Therefore it's not a fact.
Go ahead and read the interview with Doyel... It was the Eagar police officer that was at the briefing with the Sheriffs that did the raid, a Sgt. Fraser that relayed those two facts to Doyel. It was also he that said they werent intending to let him back in the house. If you want to believe the feds that murdered Cooper over the local police that knew what was going on, be my guest.
They didnt have to kill the guy over this petty warrant. You know that much is true. Unless that was the intent, if you dont see that your blind and I seriously think your a bit suspect for being so biased.
Had these officers shown up and handed Bill a warrant and he just started shooting , you might have a point. But all the acting like kids down the road, in unmarked cars and out of uniform at 12 midnight is not a normal way to issue a warrant.
RE: [split] Bill Cooper's death - yeti - 06-26-2012 11:57 PM
(06-26-2012 10:06 PM)SiLVa Wrote: Appeal to majority is still a fallacy, not good enough.
It is not a fallacy that the majority of people agree that bragging about killing cops, which is what Cooper did, is the act of a lunatic.
(06-26-2012 10:06 PM)SiLVa Wrote: Someone saying that if the feds come onto their property where they have no jurisdiction, they will be shot is not the sign of a lunatic
Like hell it isn't. You sound like a lunatic yourself.(06-26-2012 10:06 PM)SiLVa Wrote: This is some weak evidence to prove him a lunatic yeti, come on.
(06-26-2012 10:06 PM)SiLVa Wrote: Its you that has to justify your overwhelming hate of a dead man that made some mistakes, but was someone thats brought many people on the side of seeking real truth not just blind nationalism.
I don't hate lunatics like Cooper, I pity them. I am disgusted at the damage he did to our cause. You however don't even want to acknowledge that your hero was a fraud. I pity you for that. It's sad that you cling to his legacy like it was anything more than a crock of shit.
(06-26-2012 10:06 PM)SiLVa Wrote: AJ also claimed Russia launched nukes in Y2K, does that mean he's a lunatic? Or just a flawed individual?
Talk about grasping at straws!
(06-26-2012 10:06 PM)SiLVa Wrote: Cooper had flaws, Ive said that many times. He was a recovering alcoholic, had anger issues. That doesnt mean he was a lunatic. Easy for people to write off as one but thats just too easy- and lazy. There's always more to the story.
Yes there is more to the story - there's the evidence I provided to you. Such typical behavior for a Cooper fanboy to deny what is clear to everybody else.
(06-26-2012 10:06 PM)SiLVa Wrote: It was also he that said they werent intending to let him back in the house.
Duh! If my goal was to lure someone out of their house to arrest them then I wouldn't let them back in either. Only an incompetent would.
Why was Cooper dumb enough to leave his house in the first place? If some punks were down the road making noise after hours most people would just call the cops. That would have foiled the sheriffs' plans and Cooper would be alive.
(06-26-2012 10:06 PM)SiLVa Wrote: If you want to believe the feds that murdered Cooper over the local police that knew what was going on, be my guest.
Killing someone in self defense is not murder. Cooper shot a cop in the face. Sheriffs aren't feds.
(06-26-2012 10:06 PM)SiLVa Wrote: They didnt have to kill the guy over this petty warrant. You know that much is true.
Duh! Maybe the fact that he shot a cop in the face had something to do with it, ya think??
(06-26-2012 10:06 PM)SiLVa Wrote: Unless that was the intent, if you dont see that your blind and I seriously think your a bit suspect for being so biased.
If I'm biased for calling a proven lunatic a lunatic and refusing to condone shooting a cop in the face, then OK.
(06-26-2012 10:06 PM)SiLVa Wrote: But all the acting like kids down the road, in unmarked cars and out of uniform at 12 midnight is not a normal way to issue a warrant.
No, but Cooper wasn't normal - he was a known dangerous armed drunk who was on record as saying he was going to shoot cops!
You can call it murder if you like. The fact that he shot a cop in the face obviously indicates otherwise.
Unless you can prove that other cops shot the cop, Cooper died from his own lunacy, end of story.
(06-26-2012 10:06 PM)SiLVa Wrote:(06-26-2012 09:14 PM)yeti Wrote: Cooper claimed that the driver shot JFK based on grainy film he stole from a former business partner. Tell me that's not the action of a lunatic.Its not the act of a lunatic.
OK we're done here. You've just proven you're such a Cooper fanboy you've lost all sense of reason.