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The Sura 4:82 Challenge To All Muslims. - Starjade - 05-23-2007 10:57 AM
Quote:Aux said; How does invoking Deut. 19 prophecy suddenly make you a Prophet? Have you not read the rest of Deuteronomy? There’s a bit more to it than that. It’s there to weed out all the dregs on a will to power who only serve their Father and/or their own belly.
Starjade laughs; let me invoke the law so that you might understand.
This law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards is a law that determines matters of the truth regarding any crimes of iniquity or sin.
Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
Deuteronomy 19:16 If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong;
Deuteronomy 19:17 Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days;
Deuteronomy 19:18 And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother;
Deuteronomy 19:19 Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.
Now hear these words so that you might grasp and understand the message that I am giving to you and to the rest of mankind. Be certain of this I am 100% completely serious whether you believe it or not. It is far wiser not to speculate your opinions but instead hearken to what I am about to say then think very long and hard about what you have heard. Remember the Law of Deuteronomy is the law that is doing the Judging not you or any Jews. The law binds all Jews and so they have no choice but to accept the conclusions of this law. And do remember that all descendants of Abraham are Jews.
The Sura 4:82 Challenge To All Muslims. - Starjade - 05-23-2007 10:58 AM
The Doomsday Prophet Starjade’s well known Proclamation.
I am the long awaited Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verses 15/18 Prophet. That very specific that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up in the Midst of the Jews. I am the Crown of the “LIVING” White Sphere of Kether. Kether is a Hebrew name for God and so I am saying that I am God’s Crown with that Title. I am that Lord King and a King of Kings and that makes me the Messiah and the long awaited Deuteronomy Prophet and the Saviour of the Jews. Oh and do not forget I am also a son of the Living God. Not that I need to brag.
The religious congregations could not believe and would without doubt accuse me of Blasphemy which just happens to be a crime of iniquity and sin. Now under religious law the law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 and onwards becomes invoked and it is by that law the religious congregations must Judge. So the accusers then make their accusation of Blasphemy to their Rabbis and Priests who live in these Times and the normal procedure would be that I would be arrested and charged with Blasphemy. The matter would then go to court to be Judged before the Lord thy God and before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days. Two or three witnesses must then be called to give testimony for or against the accused. This is a matter of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15 law and as anyone with a copy of the Old Testament can see that is what the law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15 onwards says is that procedure.
I of course who is making that proclamation have already named more than four witnesses who can give Testimony that I have Prophesied several earthquakes one of them precisely to the Time of the day. Plus a Volcano erupting and even named that Volcano. During that Prophesying of those earthquakes I foretold of a Mexican earthquake and whiles describing those scenes I came upon a woman buried in the earthquake rubble praying not for herself but for babies that were behind her. I related her prayers to a room full of people who were almost one year in the past to that future event and I also explained to those people of how I sent help to her. Those babies are today known as the Mexican miracle babies and it is already accepted that they are alive today because of a miracle.
That story is long and so I give you this link to the End of Times web site where it is already writ in detail. This is what those more than four witnesses needed by Deuteronomy law can give witness Testimony too.
Before the Lord thy God and before the Rabbi’s and the judges, which shall be in those days. I can for a fact under Deuteronomy law establish for a fact that I am a genuine Prophet who does have a provable connection to the Living God. The matter however continues. It can also be established that I have also prophesied other apocalyptic earthquakes. I have in 1994/95 contacted the Jews and beyond those conversations it can be established that I have given them details of those other apocalyptic earthquakes with a view to a mass Exodus of all Jews from the four corners of the globe and advised them to Exodus to Africa where they must build a third Temple to the Living God. This I have said must be a biosphere which they must go and live in whiles they await a land that I have promised them which will arrive in the South eastern Atlantic basin next to Africa on that apocalyptic day.
The Jews have been waiting thousands of years for a Prophet from the Living God to arrive on this Planet with details of those End of Times and to gather them up from the four corners of the globe and lead them all to a new promised land. The specific Prophet from the Living God that they had been waiting for is that very specific Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verses 15/18 Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews.
As far fetched as my statements and proclamations may seem it is a fact that they can be established by witness Testimony by many more than four witnesses and by the very Deuteronomy laws that binds all the Jews. This being a fact the Law of Deuteronomy Judges for the Jews and so nobody was even asking them for their opinion. The law of Deuteronomy can establish all of my claims and proclamations are true and what makes that even the more fantastic is that specific law was brought down by Moses from the Living God himself and is therefore the actual word of the Living God establishing my Crown right here on earth.
Now what do you think some accuser can do when faced with that evidence establishing my statements to all be true. Can they stand before the Lord thy God and the Rabbi’s and Judges that exist in these days and say that all they have is their own opinions that they just do not believe when those facts stare them right in the face. The law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15 and onwards already establish my words are true even before we stand before the Lord thy god and the Rabbi’s and the Judges that exist in these Times and all they could do is obey Deuteronomy law.
The Sura 4:82 Challenge To All Muslims. - Starjade - 05-23-2007 10:59 AM
I further add that although many may live in denial over this issue. It cannot be denied that I am a genuine Prophet with a provable connection to the Living God who has been established by Deuteronomy law which is the Living Gods word on that matter which binds all the Jews. And the Jews cannot deny that these things have occurred and that what I say has already been done. I do keep records and the International Order of Kabbalist Jews published some of my hand written letters to them with my plans for that Exodus from the four corners of the globe in their 1995 issue of their Kabbalist magazine. This magazine went world wide to millions of other Jews living all around this Planet and at that Time I was also planning the Exodus of Christians and Muslims and Buddhists and others as well as I am the kind of Soul who does like to broaden my horizons.
So then when these matters are diligently examined, before the Lord thy God and the Rabbi’s and the Judges who live in these Times. All the proclamations I am making can all be established to be genuine and true because unlike the false pretenders to my Throne. I have already named those witnesses up front and my Exodus plans for the Jews were well known. And it was the Jews who said to me what proof did I have that I was that Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verses 15/18 Prophet that the living God promised Moses he would raise up. What proof could I give to them to show to their congregations. My reply of course was to bring to them the law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15 onwards to show to the Jews that it can indeed be proven and by Jewish law that I was that specific Deuteronomy Prophet.
When speaking of conspiracies you might note that you do not hear about me on the telly though. There is a news blackout regarding my arrival. Perhaps if you consider my astonishing Revelations and the things I say about Jesus, Muhammad, Christianity, and Islam you might grasp why it is that those specific congregations dare not ever accuse me of any blasphemy in any public place because they know I will eat their religious scholars for breakfast and cause their religions to bite the Dust. Just as here and in many places you did see me openly challenge them.
Starjade concludes; anyway Aux perhaps you can now understand just how the law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15 onwards can establish that I am a genuine Prophet with a provable connection to the living God. Who has already contacted the Jews with details of the apocalypse with a view to an Exodus using Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15 law that binds all of those Jews. As I have said as the law of Deuteronomy has said you need two or three witnesses to establish if a thing is true or not and I have lots of witnesses that I can call to give testimony for my Crown.
I did all of this by the way and established that I was that specific Deuteronomy Prophet. Only so that I could mass Exodus millions of millions of people out from the four corners of the globe. Out of those future earthquake zones that I have seen kill billions of people at that future Time. My Titles may sound unbelievable but one must never forget that it can be established by Deuteronomy law and the word of the living God that I am still a very genuine Prophet who does prophesies real earthquakes that do actually happen as witnesses can testify too.
The Jews in their millions of millions just happen to be waiting for a Prophet from the Living God to come and do just that. That specific Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verses 15/18 Prophet. I saw that Exodus of the Jews as a way that I could move millions of millions of people out of those world wide earthquake zones that I have already seen kill billions of people at that future Time. And in an apocalypse of earthquakes that will certainly cause this Planet to become extinct of all oxygen breathing life forms unless people prepare for that Grim day.
The Sura 4:82 Challenge To All Muslims. - Starjade - 05-23-2007 11:00 AM
Quote:Aux you presumed to say; If you were in Israel right now spewing this hokum, you’d be put to death if serious Old Testament, Orthodox Jews were around you, you know that? They’re obligated right there in the prophecy you assume to fulfill, put there as a grave warning against the exact thing you’re doing. Are you so far gone that you don’t understand that? You’re either insane or don’t even believe the Old Testament.
Starjade says; whiles I note your opinion on the religiously uneducated grunts that walk the streets of Israel might I point out that all Jews are bound by Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15 law. Even if they are the Ishmaelites. If they thought I was guilty of blasphemy then they would make that accusation known and a trial would ensue and establish that all of my words are true. So what does a Jew think its going to do. I have just explained Deuteronomy law and that is what they are bound by the law of Deuteronomy to do.
But in establishing my Crown before the Lord thy God before those rabbis and the Judges that will be in those times there is a price to pay. Already I can say those Jews do not want to pay that price and so they break their Covenant with the living God forcing me by religious law to stone them all to death in the very earthquake rubble I had attempted to save them from. The Jews already know what I want from them and it is my way or no way for to me the living God said they must hearken. Be certain my Exodus plans ran very deep. This was not some game I was playing. And as you point out I did lay my own life on the line to save them. But as I have pointed out Deuteronomy law does establish that I really am who I say that I am and by the way as you paid no attention. I am and would and shoul be Judged by Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15 law and not by some common grunts that voice some shallow opinions in the street. The law says before the Lord thy God and the law is Gods word. And before the Rabbi’s and the Judges that will be in those days. Not by some grunt in the street. They do not have a right to Judge such matters.
Oh and by the way. Do not forget the Ishmaelites who are today’s Arabs who give their worship to moon and have a golden calf called the Koran. Perhaps you are forgetting that I was challenged by Muslims to challenge Islam and under Islamic law. That law and that challenge protects my right to speak and I was challenged by Muslims themselves to speak. We all know that islam bites the Dust as does the Koran and the claims of Mad Muhammad. Yet do you see any Muslims on this Planet demanding my death.
You should have heard some of the things I have said about their false prophet mad Muhammad. Yet their Islamic leaders dare not make accusations of Blasphemy against me. They also know I will eat them for breakfast in a more public forum and that Islam will publicly bite the Dust. So they remain silent. I have taunted them as well but they are the wise for they know they are powerless against me. They will not make any accusations of blasphemy against me and would not dare do so that would invite a world media to that stage. Especially as Islam will bite the Dust and I will convert all the Ishmaelites and use Islamic law and the words of the Koran to force them to reject the Koran and the claims of their idol the false Prophet Muhammad.
Look at salmon Rushdie and those daft cartoons. They kicked off about those didn’t they? But nobody dares to say anything against the much loved Deuteronomy Doomsday Prophet Starjade. And if they did woe betide them and it was they who challenged me to challenge Islam in the first place. They did not expect me to be so powerful that Islam would bite the Dust. So then Aux you have your opinions but forget that I am the expert on these matters and I know my own business better than you. I can walk those streets safely even though I cause a great gnashing of teeth.
The Sura 4:82 Challenge To All Muslims. - Starjade - 05-23-2007 11:01 AM
Now I also challenge you and any religious scholar to establish beyond any doubt and by that same Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15 law that Jesus and Mad Muhammad were who they are pretending to be. And do not mind if I scoff at your attempts to verify your own religion. After all I am the only one on this Planet amongst us who has had a hand in a miracle and those impossible things just take a little longer.
Quote:Starjade says; Now I also challenge you and any religious scholar to establish beyond any doubt and by that same Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15 law that Jesus and Mad Muhammad were who they are pretending to be. And do not mind if I scoff at your attempts to verify your own religion. After all I am the only one on this Planet amongst us who has had a hand in a miracle and those impossible things just take a little longer.
Quote:Aux you said; Beyond any doubt? You wouldn’t concede to a circle being round if it implied you were wrong somehow.
Starjade says; A Sphere is more than just being round. It has dimensions as well. I note you offer up no proof of your own religion only suppositions and hearsay testimonies. Mind you that is all your religion is. Yet read what I have said and how things are really done. You false Prophet Jesus did not talk the talk or walk that walk as I have done easily in my stride.
The Sura 4:82 Challenge To All Muslims. - Starjade - 05-23-2007 11:02 AM
Quote:Starjade say; Oh so now you think you are a person who can say this and that about Angels when they are obviously beyond your scope or knowledge. Just who do you think that you are? You know nothing of the Living God and Jesus is a fraud and if you doubt that then establish Jesus is genuine by Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15 law.
Quote:Aux you said; They are spoken of from God’s inspired word for his prophets to record, genius. Another childish question. Christ fulfilled the lot that apply up to our time, far too many to list here. I’m not here to educate you on the basics, but to show in you the perverted mind of an antichrist to others as witnesses.
Starjade laughs; Oh so it is name calling eh/ Wassamatter is trying to give authenticity to that fraud Jesus by Deuteronomy law too difficult to handle. You have no list. How silly to call the anti Christ thingy a Christian invention. Do not forget that Deuteronomy law already established that I am a Prophet with a provable connection to the Living God. That specific Deuteronomy Prophet no less as can be seen by my own acts and deeds.
Quote:Aux you said; It’s blasphemous that you even quote the Lord from the Holy bible. I feel dirty even responding. Nonetheless, you conveniently fail to read the following verses in John 5:31, which read: There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.
Starjade doth say; Oh and are we going to get to know who this acclaimed witness is then. Where is his/her testimony then? Is this witness ole John the Baptist born by proclamation of the (cough) fabricated Angel Gabriel 6 months before the fraud Jesus is claimed to have been born?
Or is it God again after all that is a common Christian thingy. So then, show exactly where God appeared to give witness for Jesus then. Oh OK we all know God did not appear and I was just stressing the point. So once again as Jesus said. Jesus had said in John Chapter 5 Verse 31: If I alone bear witness to myself, my witness is not true. Also in John Chapter 8 Verse 17: Jesus said to the Jews: Also in your own law it is written, the witness of two men is true. Verse 18: he continues to say: I am the one who bears witness about myself and the father who sent me bears witness about me.
The writers of the disciples of Jesus who gave hearsay Testimony that stood against the law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 had already claimed using the Angel Gabriel that Jesus was the Son of the living God and Jesus was naming God as being his other witness. However as God could not be produced to give any Testimony for Jesus, then it was only his own Testimony and his own Testimony is not acceptable by religious law and cannot be established as being true.
Do note by the way that the character Jesus is speaking of the famous law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15. A two or three witness law.
The Sura 4:82 Challenge To All Muslims. - Starjade - 05-23-2007 11:03 AM
Quote:Aux you said; 5:33 – Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth.Starjade says; Tsk tsk Jesus is a liar for we all have so called gospel testimonies from Mathew Luke Mark and John giving their so called testimony for Jesus even though it is all just hearsay. To satisfy the law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15 you need two or three witness Testimonies and so the admittance of no testimony is another nail in the coffin of Jesus and yes the pun was intended even if obscure.
Quote:aux you say; If the witness of two men make a thing true, how much more the Son and the Father?
Starjade repeats; The father is claimed to be God and as God does not appear to give witness for Jesus then it is all his own testimony. Clearly as you are ignoring my word on the matter perhaps you would listen to the claimed words of ikkle baby Jesus himself. Jesus had said in John Chapter 5 Verse 31: If I alone bear witness to myself, my witness is not true. So as was pointed out Jesus does not have any witnesses at all.
Quote:aux you say; And as expected, you’re understanding is reduced to that of the flesh, nevertheless you have John the Baptist as a witness.
Starjade scoffs; Oh so now the other fabricated character as proclaimed by a fabricated Angel Gabriel is someone the Christians claim is a witness for Jesus hahaha told you they fabricated that character to make such proclamations. Are you going to get around to explaining how Luke told that tale of ole Zacharias in the Temple when he was not a witness to the event he describes and neither was anyone else. A character writ into a book under such a shady explanation is not a viable witness. You would also need witnesses to establish John the Baptist was real and you do not have any witness testimony that could support that.
Quote:aux you say; Furthermore: 1 John 5: 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Starjade says; The Living God does not appear to give any witness for Jesus as you well know. The word of God can be found in the law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15 and that does not bear witness for Jesus but does in fact establish Jesus as a fraud as I have explained. Don’t you think it is laughable that you are claiming a ghost is a witness for Jesus. Oh well if you want to be silly then show us all exactly where this ghosty thing has written any witness testimony in the Bible. As common sense should prevail then still you have shown no actual witnesses for Jesus and no testimonies to back those silly claims up. As the law of Deuteronomy insists you need actual witness testimony. Maybe next time you might choose Kermit the frog or miss piggy as your other witnesses.
Quote:aux you said; Fitting that you should choose the same argument that the Pharisees argued against Christ. At least you’re showing your true self and who your Father is, will you join him in the pit?
Starjade says; The Christ is a mushroom if you are speaking of that fraud Jesus then do so by the name of Jesus so there is no misunderstanding. My father is the living God and the Living Gods word really can establish that I am a Prophet with a provable connection to the living God. As for your pit thingy have you not being paying any attention. Your Christian doctrines are false. Even Gods word says so. The only pit you will be encountering is the one you dug to bury your head in the sand.
The Sura 4:82 Challenge To All Muslims. - Starjade - 05-23-2007 11:04 AM
Quote:The first time Daniel encounters Gabriel is in a deep sleep – different times throughout the bible have angels appeared to people in dreams. The second time Daniel encounters Gabriel while he is awake. How Gabriel visits Daniel doesn’t really matter, but you seem to make it a big issue, so regardless you’re wrong, because Daniel encounters him while both asleep and awake.
Starjade says; Many claim to have visitations by angels but lets get their chapter and verse so we can see if they are telling the truth or a lie. And let us discuss only the Angel Gabriel as that is the claimed angel that is under question. Read this statement. Daniel 8:15 And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man. Daniel 8:16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.
In the first instance the appearance of a man was not then of Gabriel but of another who called and said Gabriel make this man understand. And Daniel admits that he was asleep. Daniel was called the dreamer of dreams for good reason.
Quote:aux you said; Again, Daniel noted Gabriel had “the appearance of a man” which is communicating something besides being just a man, there’s no other explanation. That’s point 1.
Starjade repeats; In the first instance the appearance of a man was not then of Gabriel but of another who called and said Gabriel make this man understand. And Daniel admits that he was asleep. Daniel was called the dreamer of dreams for good reason.
Quote:aux you said; Take into consideration with that the role of an angel that Gabriel fulfilled (point 2)
Starjade says; Don’t you mean that the Christian writers used Gabriel calling him an angel to proclaim the birth of a fraud called Jesus to make it appear that the Prophecy made by Isaiah had come true. If you are going to make that proclamation on flimsy unsubstantiated evidence then explain why this character Jesus did not fulfil this other prophecy of Isaiah. Isaiah 11:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. Isaiah 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
The Sura 4:82 Challenge To All Muslims. - Starjade - 05-23-2007 11:09 AM
aux you said; and the fact that Genesis refers to angels as men just like Daniel does (point 3)
Starjade says; You mean that one instance regarding Lot that you mention which on its own is also a shady statement. That is hardly the same thing now is it. Lot was depicted as being awake whiles Daniel was certainly asleep. Do you claim all references to men are references to angels then. ?
[quote]and you have Gabriel qualifying as an angel, later clarified by Luke. If you can’t concede this most obvious issue, what makes you think we’ll take you serious on any other issues? Deny all you want, it really doesn’t matter at this point.
Starjade says; I already know Gabriel is a fraud on many issues especially on the issue of Deuteronomy law and this angel Gabriel character standing against the actual word of the living God. You are the one who is ignoring those obvious issues. There isn’t even evidence that can prove that Luke existed. There are only fabricated hearsay tales written in by Roman writers.
Starjade says; So you think the word of this fabricated character Luke is gospel truth eh. Explain then these contradictions within those gospels that have been invented.
Matthew 8 records the miracle of Jesus healing a Roman Centurion's servant. The Centurion visits Jesus personally to ask for a healing.
Matthew 8:5,6 And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him, And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented.
Matthew 8:13 And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour.
In the parallel passage in Luke 7, the Centurion sends a group of Jewish elders to represent him.
Luke 7:2,3 And a certain centurion's servant, who was dear unto him, was sick, and ready to die. And when he heard of Jesus, he sent unto him the elders of the Jews, beseeching him that he would come and heal his servant.
Luke 7:10 And they that were sent, returning to the house, found the servant whole that had been sick.
In Luke's account, Jesus never met the Centurion at all.
So who was telling the truth. Seems like the so called gospel truth is dodgy in the Christians testament.
In the gospels which say that Jesus prayed to avoid the cross, how many times did he move away from his disciples to pray?
(a) Three (Matthew 26:36-46 and Mark 14:32-42).
(B)One. No opening is left for another two times. (Luke 22:39-46).
What did the centurion say when Jesus dies?
(a) “Certainly this man was innocent” (Luke 23:47).
(B)“Truly this man was the Son of God” (Mark 15:39).
According to the gospels, what were the last words of Jesus before he died?
(a) “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!” (Luke 23:46).
(B)“It is finished” (John 19:30).
When Jesus entered Capernaum he healed the slave of a centurion. Did the centurion come personally to request Jesus for this?
(a) Yes (Matthew 8:5).
(B)No. He sent some elders of the Jews and his friends (Luke 7:3, 6).
When did the women buy the spices?
(a) After “the sabbath was past” (Mark 16:1).
(B)Before the sabbath. The women “prepared spices and ointments.” Then, “on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment” (Luke 23:55 to 24:1).
What was the purpose for which the women went to the tomb?
(a) To anoint Jesus’ body with spices (Mark 16:1;Luke 23:55 to 24:1).
(B)To see the tomb. Nothing about spices here (Matthew 28:1).
For no specified reason. In this gospel the wrapping with spices had been done before the sabbath (John 20:1).
A large stone was placed at the entrance of the tomb. Where was the stone when the women arrived?
(a) They saw that the stone was “Rolled back” (Mark 16:4). They found the stone “rolled away from the tomb” (Luke 24:2). They saw that “the stone had been taken away from the tomb” (John 20:1)
(B)As the women approached, an angel descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and conversed with the women. Matthew made the women witness the spectacular rolling away of the stone (Matthew 28:1-6).
The three Synoptic Gospels are unanimous in placing the Last Supper on the day of Passover.
Luke 22:7,8,15 Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed. And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat...And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer...
The Gospel of John, however, records that the Last Supper took place before the Passover.
John 13:1,2 Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father...And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him...
John 18:28 Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover.
The Sura 4:82 Challenge To All Muslims. - Starjade - 05-23-2007 11:11 AM
Quote:Starjade says; Firstly Daniel was explaining a dream. In your bible it may say form but it does not in mine and mine is 300 years old and designed to be read in Churches. It does not say form. You say form. And Daniel speaking says he saw the appearance of a man. NOT ANY ANGEL….
Quote:aux you said; ANGELS ARE IN THE APPEARANCE OF MEN!! This is basically where the whole show stops with you I’m afraid. What hope have you to ever learn spiritual insight from the bible if you can’t understand this simple matter. This is 2+3 material, and you want to jump to differential equations.
Starjade says; at no time does Daniel mention any angel when he speaks of Gabriel. Your quotes are of two claimed angels by Lot that are described as being like men but that is another story. The matter of Gabriel which we were speaking about does not mention Gabriel as being any angel seen in Daniels dream but it does speak of a man. Daniel has described his encounters with an Angel in the lions den but on this occasion when speaking of Gabriel he does not say angel he says a man. It is only you insisting Daniel was wrong in his description whiles Daniel who admits he was dreaming does only describe a man.
Quote:aux you say; In Genesis 31:11 an angel appears to Jacob in a dream too. SO WHAT’S YOUR POINT? Gen 31:11 And the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, [saying], Jacob: And I said, Here [am] I.
Starjade says; We are not speaking of Jacob we are speaking of Daniel. Jacob had no problem speaking of a dream of an Angel. Daniel had no problem speaking of an Angel in the lions den. But when he spoke of Gabriel he only described a man that he saw whiles in a deep sleep. By the way be wary of speaking of Jacob for there is also a hidden text within the Old Testament regarding the speckled things which are of course sacred fungi that happen to be speckled. But that is another conversation.
Quote:Aux you said; Genesis 19 refers to angels as men too. SO WHAT’S YOUR POINT?
Starjade says; The point is that they mention Angels and Daniel DOES NOT.
Quote:Aux you say; About using the word ‘form’ instead of ‘appearance’ I already corrected that error and explained it, like this matter anyways, it just shows how desperate you are.
Starjade says; I copy all the things I am going to reply to into word and save it to disc. I only know what is written as I scroll the screen and that is the first I get to read the subject matter. I did reply to your original error justly as you admit and corrected at that later date. But at that later time the reply you gave on that matter just appeared and I replied to what was said. You are truly delusional if you think that I and desperate. You are already ignoring statements I make because you cannot reply. I wanna hear what you got to say about those errors in your gospels that you believe are all so true. I just bet you avoid a reply to those as well.
Quote:Aux you said; At this point it just becomes degrading to even engage you in any real discussion anymore. You can’t even get passed Genesis 19 and you want to talk about the apocalypse and the exodus?
Starjade says; It is well known that Starjade will reply to all that is said and at great length. Unless you continue with repetitive blabbery. I was not speaking og Genesis you were. I was speaking of Daniel speaking of a man not any Angel. Daniel has spoken of an Angel in the past but when he speaks of Gabriel he speaks of a man. Had Gabriel been an Angel Daniel would have said and he did not he spoke of a man.
Second point is that the long awaited Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verses 15/18 is a specific Prophet who has that specific knowledge of the apocalypse. He was coming as all Jews expected to gather up all of the Jews from the four corners of the globe in an Exodus. So my comments were justified and it is you who are too religiously ignorant to grasp that factual situation.
Quote:There’s really nothing more to add, you’re flapping like a fish out of water and have to resort to mixing biblical truth with the koran;
Starjade says; This thread is the Sura 4:82 challenge to all Muslims and the Koran has more right to be mentioned and Muhammad does claim that he is that long awaited Deuteronomy Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up in the midst of the Jews. And Muhammad claims he was told that he was that specific Prophet by none other than your fabricated Angel Gabriel himself and in person. The whole of the Koran was said to have come from the mouth of that fabricated Angel Gabriel.
Again I point out that this Angel Gabriel is being used to promote both Jesus and Muhammad as being that Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up. Too bad that God only promised to raise up only one Prophet. So certainly either Jesus or Muhammad or both must be liars and frauds. As is the case with the New Testament and the Korans proclamations regarding this Angel called Gabriel. Your insulting banter about fish out of water does not wash for it is clear I have a staggering knowledge and the waters I swim in run very deep whiles you are the one who is taking swims in denial.
The Sura 4:82 Challenge To All Muslims. - Starjade - 05-23-2007 11:23 AM
Quote:Aux you said; another desperate attempt to sully the good name of Jesus Christ our Lord to suit your dark agenda. You really just hate Jesus, that’s all it’s about pure and simple. You have nothing but hate in you and that’s what motivates you. You hate the truth. <shakes head>
Starjade says; Jesus is as insignificant to me as the stench of gnats piss on a summers day. We were not really discussing Jesus anyways we were speaking about who exactly is that long awaited Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verses 15/18 Prophet that the living God promised Moses he would raise up. It sure as hell wasn’t Jesus or Muhammad. Too bad for you all that Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15 has already established by Gods word that only I am that specific Prophet. And as I have pointed out the law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verse 15 is a law that determines matters of the truth especially with regards to crimes of iniquity or sin.
Quote:aux you finally say; Maybe now some people can understand why my first message asked if this was a joke. Sad part is, it prolly isn't.Peace in Christ Jesus all PS- Crack kills
Starjade says; You asked because these things run too deep for the usual shallow thinking religious mind. You can accept things that were indoctrinated into you and when Questions arise you are at a loss and become bewildered.
The Sura 4:82 Challenge To All Muslims. - Starjade - 05-23-2007 11:42 AM
Quote:As I said, there is nothing left for me to engage you on, you already lost but you're in denial of reality.
Starjade says; never count your chickens before they are hatched. Starjade has not lost and you are the one who is swimming in denial.
Quote:Aux you said; You also misrepresent what I say (I did not claim Moses wasn't real, but that others do just like you do with Jesus; I did not claim that Christ fulfilled all prophecies, but only those that apply up to our time, some are left for his return obviously – The book of Daniel gave the 69 weeks of years from the commandment to rebuild the temple, which Cyrus did, of when to expect the Messiah. Jews who don’t accept Christ hate that one. Case closed.)
Starjade says; I thought you were claiming that it could be said Moses was not genuine. I showed then by Egyptian history it can be established that the tale was true. Jesus did not fulfil any prophecies. It is only silly Christians making speculations for their idol. The Third Temple has not been built? I do have plans for that though.
Quote:Aux you said; You contradict yourself (telling me Jews don't believe in the angel Gabriel as some kind of proof, then tell me not to care what Jews think when I show you in fact some Jews do, more than a small minority I might add)
Starjade says; Life can be a contradiction. I pointed out that the Jews can believe in almost anything. Some believe the moon is god and others believe in a golden calf whiles others believe in Jesus but these are a mere few. I did however, advise you on what you should do.
Quote:Aux you said; You're just dead wrong on several things.
Starjade says; Like what?
Quote:Aux you said; Most importantly (and this is what I knew you would try to do to weasel out of the death blow I dealt you) the TRUMP CARD is when you fell on your own (dull) sword by claiming the OT had parts that were dubious and/or fabricated, thus UTTERLY undermining your own claim of authority (the OT).
Starjade says; My arrival authenticates the Old Testament and it is well known some tales were writ to hide other hidden words within its text. I can cite the story of the Garden of Eden as an example. I was simply pointing out that some tales were writ to hide other tales that contain hidden knowledge.
Quote:aux you said; I believe the exact quote (after I decimated you petty argument) was: “As you claim unwittingly but we have only the writer’s word that Lot saw Angels. They also liked tall tales in their preaching’s in the Old Testament as well you know. I personally think that tale told was done from a moralizing viewpoint. Not from actual reality.”
Starjade says; Hey if you want to ignore my advice then do so. However not all tales in the Old Testament can be verified as being true. For many it is only the belief that it is true. I know the Old and New Testament and the Koran and Buddhism and some other things as I have extensive knowledge on religious and mystical beliefs. Yet do note that I am not bound within the confines of any particular for of worship. And I do not believe everything I read just because somebody wrote it.
Quote:Aux you said; That’s it. Byebye. Turn out the lights, etc etc. Oh, and you’re level of scholarship on the origins of the New Testament is on par with Dan Brown.
Starjade says; presumptuous speakers like you always drown in denial. What is the matter are these conversations getting way too deep for you. Sneaking away will not alter the truth of the reality of the statements that have been made.
The Sura 4:82 Challenge To All Muslims. - Starjade - 05-24-2007 09:57 AM
And just where are all those so called Islamic scholars then. And what has happened to all those Muslims. They bagged the brag about Islam and yet dare not come forwards to defend Islam from my Revelations. You all saw the email I sent to their named scholar but he dared not come here on a visitation to face me did he. :P
<div align='center'>When you speak of conspiracies consider that conspiracy of silence by Islam. </div>
As for you Christians :D did you know that the last Pope had some of my writings at the Vatican. Yes it is true and Lancaster Cathedral in Britain sent them to him just before the year 2000. My Revelations put that Roman Catholic pope in a panic. He put up security around the Vatican in fear of Doomsday Cults it was announced. But the reality was he was in fear of the Living Gods Crown the much-loved Deuteronomy Doomsday Prophet.
What is more he was involved in a conspiracy with the Crown of England regarding the much loved Deuteronomy Doomsday Prophet Starjade. I did warn that Pope if he did not accuse the Crown of England of its Blasphemy then I would see to it when I gained power over the Muslims that I would have them bulldozer down every Roman Catholic Church in their territories.
Of course as the Pope and the Crown of England knew by evidence that I was established by Deuteronomy law to be authentic then that gave that Pope reason for concern and that was why he did his little tour of the Middle East sucking up to the Moon worshippers of Islam. He felt he had that Time because it was known I was at college and posting revelations from their. Mi5 had been in action and contacted the college to get the much-loved Deuteronomy Doomsday Prophet Starjade banned from the Internet.
So whiles I was being harassed by those maggots the Pope did his thing in the Middle east presumably thinking he could save his silly churches. But on all accounts they all underestimated me. As you can all see I am still here despite their attempts to destroy me? They should have taken note of the Things that I had been saying the silly fools. And just so you all know. The Roman Catholic Pope and the Crown of England both have evidence that I am that Deuteronomy Prophet and are conspiring to keep that a secret.
They both have copies of my many writings with the Jews regarding the Exodus of Jews from the four corners of the globe. But as you all know they do not like the Jews or Muslims and they did not like my plans to save them.
They know because of the Crown of Englands Blasphemy that I will not give the details of the apocalyptic earthquakes that I have seen devastate Britain during those End of Times which will kill everyone in Britain if they are not forewarned or prepared. This also means Ireland, as I cannot warn what happened to Ireland without explaining what happened to Britain. Those lands contain millions of Jews Muslims and Christians and others which is how conversations to their Churches began and how the Pope ended up with some of my writings along with some serious warnings. Millions of their congregations are going to die and so one might think that they would be concerned but they could not care less. Anyhow it is as well that Pope dropped dead eh?
So stuff happens and the world continues on.
I also want to point out that when that Pope went on his tour of the Middle East I saw news bulletins which showed Muslims of all people kissing the hand of the Pope and calling him your holiness. It defies logic and belief considering those claimed views of Islam. Mind you they always were idol worshippers.
So Think on for there are many things that others have been busy conspiring about that go way beyond your wildest imaginations.
The Sura 4:82 Challenge To All Muslims. - Starjade - 05-24-2007 10:31 AM
Now this conspiracy by the Christians hath caused my anger to blaze. But even though it is clear I do have power over Islam my way of grinding Christianity to Dust is not just to expose Jesus to be a fraud, which was inevitable anyway. But to show how Christianity and the New Testament was fabricated. After all Jesus is a pretender to my Throne. As I have shown you all especially you Aux, it is a fact that Deuteronomy law does already establish Jesus to be a fraud most easily for they are hearsay testimonies without any witnesses.
But what of the tales within? How did they write out that fraud. Well I have ciphered the Christians New Testament and can show how it was done. Of course the Crucifixion thingy was easy to make up from statements taken from the Old Testament. Being brief
The 30 pieces of Silver.
Zechariah 11:12 And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver.
Zechariah 11:13 And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD.
Psalms 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
Psalms 22:1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
Isaiah 40:3,5.... John 1:23, Luke 3:3-6.
Isa.40:3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
Jn.1:23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Isaiah
Psalms 7:4 If I have rewarded evil unto him that was at peace with me; (yea, I have delivered him that without cause is mine enemy
Psalms 24:3 Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place?
Psalms 32:1 Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
Psalms 35:3 Draw out also the spear, and stop the way against them that persecute me: say unto my soul, I am thy salvation.
But But But . My favourite thing that I have ciphered out was the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. After all I am the Deuteronomy Doomsday Prophet and only I carry those Revelations of the End of Times. Ole Johns apocalypse was a thing stolen.
Isaiah long spoke of books and seals so that was an easy steal. And Zechariah already spoke of the famed four horsemen long before Johns claimed apocalyptic visions of what he claimed was the (cough) apocalypse. Of course John was not the Chosen one and was presumptuous to think he could speak.
Good ole Zechariah said:
4:1 And the angel that talked with me came again, and waked me, as a man that is wakened out of his sleep,
And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:
Johns (cough) Revelation
Revelation 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
Tsk Tsk Tsk. The Menorah is a Jewish thingy so it was hardly imaginative. And people to this day make wonders of these things. Myself I just yawn as it is all boring stuff and I think now where have I heard all this before.
Good ole Zechariah said:
6:1 And I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came four chariots out from between two mountains; and the mountains were mountains of brass.
Zechariah 6:2 In the first chariot were red horses; and in the second chariot black horses;
Zechariah 6:3 And in the third chariot white horses; and in the fourth chariot grisled and bay horses.
Zechariah 6:4 Then I answered and said unto the angel that talked with me, What are these, my lord?
Zechariah 6:5 And the angel answered and said unto me, These are the four spirits of the heavens, which go forth from standing before the LORD of all the earth.
Zechariah 6:6 The black horses which are therein go forth into the north country; and the white go forth after them; and the grisled go forth toward the south country.
Zechariah 6:7 And the bay went forth, and sought to go that they might walk to and fro through the earth: and he said, Get you hence, walk to and fro through the earth. So they walked to and fro through the earth.
Starjade doth laugh does any of this ring those bells.
And You Christians think you have some hope of defending Christianity from me hahaha. And Muslims do recall now and then that 11 Chapters of the Koran glorify Jesus as being the Prophet that he is claimed as being. And Mad Muhammad believed in Jesus and Christianity, which is why 11 Chapters of the Koran glorify Jesus as being who he is claimed to be. Which as you Muslims know is the very Deuteronomy Prophet that Muhammad has claimed himself to being. Hahahaha
Now come on you Christians and Muslims say it after me. Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb Christianity and Islam bites the Dust. Hahahahahaha
Oh and do remind yourself that I was only being brief.
The Sura 4:82 Challenge To All Muslims. - Starjade - 05-25-2007 10:10 AM
Starjade says; Oh dear I forgot to mention the riding on a donkey thingy.
Zechariah 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
Do you see how easy it is to steal text from the Old Testament to invent the tales of the Christians fabricated New Testament?
Oh but there is so much more for it is claimed that Jesus rode into Jerusalem on how many animals?
(a) One - a colt (Mark 11:7; cf. Luke 19:35). And they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their garments on it; and he sat upon it.
(B)Two - a colt and an ass (Matthew 21:7). They brought the ass and the colt and put their garments on them and he sat thereon.