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Ron Paul - Throwing Up the Signs... - Rod - 12-09-2007 12:25 AM
I picked these up off my RSS news reader.
http://www.henrymakow.com/_a_reader_has_pointed.html - Points out his unusual way of greeting.
Please Ron, Get a Clue
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
November 30, 2007
Why Can't He Just Wave? (Is there anything more all-American, and inclusive?)
A reader has pointed out that Ron Paul has a habit of flashing something like the horned goat handsign . She sent 5 "You Tubes" in which he does this and as a result, she has now withdrawn her support. She notified his campaign manager who laughed it off as the "rock on" sign.
She says Paul has been on Alex Jones show and should know the significance of this sign, which Illuminati like Clinton and Bush flash regularly. She also points out that Paul worked for Ronald Reagan who was certainly Illuminati. Reagan was for small government and against abortion as well.
True, the thumb is in a different place than the horned goat. It is extended rather than folded over the fingers. Some say this is the "Hawaian universal hang loose" sign. Others say it is "I love you" in universal sign language or the sign of "The UTexas Longhorns." Whatever. It is much too reminiscent of the horn's goat which all Illuminati members use. (Obviously they are going to say it means something else.)
How can we support a man who doesn't understand such a basic point? Why is a 72- year-old physician pandering to youth? His supporters aren't hippies or rock concert go'ers. Paul should address this issue. Is he Illuminati?
The Illuminati Sign
see homepage http://www.henrymakow.com for Paul giving what look like masonic handshakes to Ben Affleck and P.J. O'Rourke on Bill Maher's show (scroll down)
Comments for "Please Ron, Get a Clue"
James re. money said (December 2, 2007):
n Canada the monetary reform people are located at http://www.comer.org Everybody has different theories of how to solve the 'debt crisis' etc. And many of the reformers such as what was presented on the "Money Masters" video or the Gold Standard folks are usually off the mark. Things desperately need to be simplified in this area. Here's some basic observations:
-since Canada's beginning in 1867 till today, it has paid off it's national debt by a factor of 16 or more. So obviously we or any country don't need to pay more. Any schemes to do so are flawed, the debts just need to be written off. Obviously assassinations would ensue if this were attempted.
-one of the main problems with Money is that it has to be paid back, returned to the bank, and taken out of circulation. That is because almost all money is created as a loan from a bank. All money is an illusion then, it is temporary, in circulation with a shelf life of the time of the loan repayment. And government gives banks the legal right to create this 'temporary' money. An article at
explains how banks really make their money, it's not on the returned principal, which they aren't allowed to keep.
If our government wiped out it's debts and then created say $100,000 to give out to every citizen with the proviso that it didn't have to be paid back - that's an example of how the economy could get a solid money supply. Lincoln's greenbacks were a similar idea. All other monetary reform schemes that don't address the fact that money is created with a limited lifespan miss the point (debt should also have a corresponding limited lifespan as well). You either have Permanent money (created by the Treasury, or Gold/Silver - poor choices) or Temporary money (current system). But to have permanent debt in either system is just a complete (Satanic) joke. How many reformers have figured out this point?
Kurt said (December 2, 2007):
Ron Paul seems like an accessible type of guy, why doesnt someone ask him about the hand sign? With no other dirt on the guy and a reluctance to attack him on the issues he espouses, the establishment seems to be trying to use the paranoia of his supporters to discredit him.
Kurt-if you're not paranoid, you're not informed.
"Bill Cooper" said (December 2, 2007):
I noticed that there is a letter of concern about the gold standard, being proposed by Ron Paul, on your webpage now. I was actually logging onto your page at the time to address just that concern. I agree with much of what Paul has to say, but as has been noted on your site in previous letters, propaganda has to contain a lot of truth so that it will be digestible.
Indeed, the wealthy have been keeping gold prices artificially low over the past century, and buying up massive reserves of it. Another little known, but significant thing to mention is that a process has been invented to create gold by decaying mercury using radiation from a nuclear reaction. Thus, I see a switch back to a gold standard as useless. Obviously, the wealthy bankers who currently control the fiat system, also have control of the gold. What good will a small amount of circulating gold do us if we can't eat in the near future?
It seems to me with tough times ahead, it would make more sense to be buying tools, tents, seeds, guns, food, knives, etc. Gold will be useless when chaos hits. I think that the drive to push people to purchase gold is just a shiny distraction. I remind you that the first mention of the number 666 in the Bible relates to the number of talents of gold that Solomon had received in taxes.
S said (December 1, 2007):
The economic history of the US while it was on the Gold Standard (see, for example, the book "The Great Red Dragon" by Woodfolk ) shows how mercilessly the economy of a nation on the gold standard can be manipulated - especially by those who have large reserves of gold, such as the Rothschilds. In fact, until very recently, the Rothschilds used to the fix the global price of gold twice daily.
It is far better to regulate the money supply by tying the value of the currency to a diversified basket of commodities and labour, rather than exclusively to gold.
I wrote to Ron Paul, on both his campaign email address as well as his House of Representatives email address, suggesting to him that his Gold standard policy was misguided.
No reply, and he continues to talk about the Gold standard.
It is true that his non-interventionist message undermines the neo-con manufactured consensus. On the other hand, he never talks about the real issues - such as the vice-like grip of the Zionist plutocrats on Western societies. Add to that his dangerously misguided gold standard policy. So it's very difficult to give him a whole hearted endorsement. But Mike Gravel endorses global warming and carbon taxes and Kucinich wants to confiscate guns! Doesn't seem there is anyone really credible out there.
Dr.F. said (December 1, 2007):
Let's not be naive here. Given the level of technology that is known regarding mind control / influence (never mind what they understand or practice that has not been leaked or written about), anyone can be taken and changed, and thus controlled. Including you and I Henry. In my opinion, I figure there is a 99% chance that Ron Paul is currently entirerly under "their" control, because why would they risk someone rising to power (albeit in limited capacity as President) and foiling some of their plans??? It is child's play to break into someone's home at night, neutralize any bodyguards or guard dogs, inject them with hypnotic drugs, subject them to a variety of frequency devices and erase or create any number of memories or agendas that would seem perfectly real to the subject.
This reminds me of a documentary I watched on Hugo Chavez last year (can't recall name), that detailed his rise to power, then "attempted" over-through. The most important detail of the entire debacle (which was totally glossed over by the film makers) was the fact that Chavez was mysteriously abducted by some US military force and taken to some island (base?) for many hours just prior to him being reinstated. Well, I wonder why??!! A handful of hours is more than enough time to install serious programming into any human being. Thus, Chavez should be considered suspect, despite hurling well deserved vitriol at Bush and the Bandits. Ergo, Ron Paul as well.
Similar things happened to the comedian Dave Chappel (sp?), who stepped on the wrong toes and got seriously messed with. I read a blog created by a friend of his that discussed many bizarre things that never got mentioned in the media, naturally. The only thing that puzzles me about the Ron Paul thing is that the hand signs seem a little too obvious. Why now, and why so frequently? As depressing / paranoid as it might be to consider during these current times, we must be very suspicious of anyone who is on TV or gets published in the mainstream media because of how controlled these outlets are. I hope I am completely wrong about Paul, but even if I am, we all know there are many ways to manipulate elections anyway, so we will have to contend with another Clinton and get dragged down even further. How low do we go before we really fight?
Doyle said (December 1, 2007):
I have just read your article about the sign of the devil being flashed about. Whatever it is throughout other places, please keep in mind it is the sign of the football team at the University of Texas. Hook 'em horns is flashed whenever to Longhorns see each other. I am sure that most people in the state of Texas use this sign as a recognition of the University of Texas Longhorn football team.
I am a faithful reader of your website and I thank you for providing this information to everyone who will read with an open mind. I am with you all the way on this.
The handsign of Baphomet predates the Texas Longhorns. The team sign doesn't account for the fact that Illuminati leaders from all over the world use this sign. They would never get young people to use it if they were up front about its meaning. So they say it is "love" "rock n"--this is the way satanists work.
We can't be in denial about this. Ron Paul is showing very poor judgment. I want to believe that that is all it is.
Jean D'Eau said (November 30, 2007):
have just read your "Please Ron, Get a Clue" and also watched the videos: obviously, Ron Paul is making the sign. He makes it in the same way than Clinton -with the tumb extended. Here in Hungary, the current neo-liberal PM (pretending to be "socialist") as well as the previous one were also seen making the sign. Do you think the videos on U-Tube could be manipulated by them in order to besmear Ron Paul? I hope so because, If the videos are not manipulated, then I would say Ron Paul is probably one of them and... do you know what this would mean? This would mean very simply that, whoever will be elected in 2008 -Clinton, Giuliani or Ron Paul- we shall anyway have a nuclear war between the West and the East in the next five or six years.
http://www.henrymakow.com/post_4.html - Provides evidence that he is a Freemason & Cabalist
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
December 2, 2007
Gerald Paul-A good reference for Ron Paul's credibility:
I was on probation at the age of 17 for a couple possession of marijuana tickets. My probation officer asked me why i was so angry w/the state of the world. I started trying to explain to him about how mine and my families freedom was controlled by private bankers and that our country had lost its sovereignty. I was told by my PO that i was uneducated in these issues and that i was paranoid so i would have to go see the County mental health people. However, Ron Pauls brother Gerrald Paul was an intern pastor at my families church and he was also a registered psychologist so i was able to see him instead.
This man helped me immensely, reassuring me that i was not crazy or paranoid and that almost all of what i believed in was actually true. He helped me put the state of the world and the power that i had to help it into perspective. This is also when i first learned of Ron Paul and their other brother who defends small businesses in Texas from paying income tax. They are a good Christian family, masonic or not Ron Paul is out to do the right thing. I have uncles and grandfathers who are masons and they are good people who are very aware of what is truly going on in the world. I'm absolutely positive that Ron Paul is sincere and would follow through w/all his promises if elected. I know that the voting system is rigged and he probably won't win but do not discredit him just because he knows a secret hand shake. He is at least great benefit to humanity because of the awareness he has raised.
thanks henry, your articles continue to be a great source of inspiration to me--Neil
From Richard in Hawaii-
That screen grab you posted of Ron Paul giving the masonic handshake to PJ O'Rourke is from the following clip of Bill Maher's show:
Prior to that, you can see Ronny give the same masonic shake to Ben (John Kerry's my hero) Affleck. At the end of the interview RP and Maher share a cabbalistic high and low shake with Maher giving the left hand cover and wrist grab. Ron gets up and leaves flashing another masonic/cablistic sign with the index finger pointing up and the thumb extended horizontically.
The only question I have left is: Is Ron Paul Jewish? He's certainly a mason and a cabalist, and an insider.
And, btw, the Hawaiian hang loose sign is made with the thumb and PINKIE, ie. smallest finger extended, with the index, middle, and ring fingers all closed over the palm.......not even close to the diablo sign.
[Watch Bill Maher change his tune. "Every Muslim who attacks us is not a terrorist, at least not in Iraq."-Makow]
From Mo in Michigan:
I too have had my moment of doubt and paranoia regarding the authenticity of Ron Paul because who can we really trust any more in these times?
Then I quell my fears by the reassureance that he has never lied and has been uniformly consistant in his voting record and ideology during the last five years I've been tracking him. In short he is a man of principle, not of convenience. Given this precedent, any about face by him at this point would have to be a truly elaborate hoax and an ultimate con job.
Detractors of Paul often cite Libertarianism in the extreme. They fear, for example, that free market economy will mean more unbridled favoritism for corporations because of the "free market economy" tenet that Libertarians embrace. They overlook the fact that a "free market" does not mean wanton disregard for the well being of its citizens adversly affected by a runaway pro business environment. That is the model for our present administration which violates another cornerstone of Libertarian adherence, namely accountability.
I too hope my multiple donations to both Paul will not fall prey to a bait and switch ploy should we be so fortunate to have land in the Oval Office a year from now. Were Paul just another politician with a sordid background like Bush and Clinton I could see why the hand signs would be telltale and worrisome but considering what we know about the man I choose to believe that it is a coincidence. And yes I agree with another of your readers that someone should point this out to Paul.
Ron Paul - Throwing Up the Signs... - mastermg - 12-09-2007 01:05 AM
Ron Paul is a weird guy... he may appear like something at first and change the way people look at him the second.
Ron Paul - Throwing Up the Signs... - hilly7 - 12-09-2007 02:19 AM
The hand signs I saw him give is the sign for the word love. My youngest is legally deaf. Not sure if it's universal or not, mostly cultural sign but in English.
Ron Paul - Throwing Up the Signs... - LivingPharaoh - 12-09-2007 02:24 AM
:confused:OMG! Ron's one of "them"? I'll have to go check this out.
Quote:The hand signs I saw him give is the sign for the word love. My youngest is legally deaf. Not sure if it's universal or not, mostly cultural sign but in English.
When it comes to symbolism, the slightest difference obscures the meaning and changes it to something else. Much like language itself.
Ron Paul - Throwing Up the Signs... - LeveL - 12-09-2007 02:31 AM
USrael needs an entire change of Government, not just the President, he runs nada.
Ron Paul - Throwing Up the Signs... - Rod - 12-09-2007 02:46 AM
Quote:The hand signs I saw him give is the sign for the word love. My youngest is legally deaf. Not sure if it's universal or not, mostly cultural sign but in English.
Thanks for the info, however he is giving ol Billy the Masonic handshake in that screen shot. My belief is that as others have already stated he is part of the system, a spoiler or worse a plant. I have no doubts now.
Ron Paul - Throwing Up the Signs... - LivingPharaoh - 12-09-2007 03:58 AM
Too perfect events are too perfect
Ron Paul - Throwing Up the Signs... - hilly7 - 12-09-2007 07:05 AM
Quote:Quote:The hand signs I saw him give is the sign for the word love. My youngest is legally deaf. Not sure if it's universal or not, mostly cultural sign but in English.
I don't much care if he gives the Masonic handshake. I'm sure there are good and bad Masons, like everything else. The one thing I've not bought into is the whole group being good or bad thing on any group.
Ron Paul - Throwing Up the Signs... - nex - 12-09-2007 10:27 AM
This is the kind of stuff that makes the real Illuminati fall over each other laughing.
Ron Paul - Throwing Up the Signs... - LivingPharaoh - 12-09-2007 04:42 PM
Quote:You have a point. I've met very lovely Masonic people, who have choosen Freemasonry as their path and hold no ill against humanity.Quote:
But whatever allegience.. You server the Brotherhood. You help the Brotherhood. If you can't fulfill that, they just move you out of the way. Replace you with a guy that's willing and able.
Also: It's important to know the BAPHOMET SIGN is not Freemasonic. Yes, it's a sign of "Skulls and Bones" but each society has its own customs.
So someone check up if "the Good Doctor" has attended S&B at Yale. Then we'll know for sure.
Ron Paul - Throwing Up the Signs... - LeveL - 12-09-2007 05:12 PM
All that stuff DBS says about Ron Paul wanting currency going back on the gold standard is true - Rothschild and Co own all the gold and can manipulate its value just the exact same way as the Federal Reserve (ahem - all owned by sub-branches of Rothschild!) manipulates the currency now - that is the main complaint about it and reason to even move to another way of valuing money in the first place. Its swings and roundabouts. Doesn't matter what you do or who is President. If it did, we wouldn't be in this mess as it is.
Like someone once famously said "If voting changed anything they would make it illegal"
Voting Ron paul in won't change anything. It just serves to please a few million passive people who will be happy he got in, thats if he does even get in - of course we all know Hitlerry/Shillary/Billary is probably going to get in via the rigged machines and so forth.
Ron Paul - Throwing Up the Signs... - Hei Hu Quan - 12-09-2007 06:23 PM
Ron Paul abstaining from voting on October 23rd, against the H.R. 1955: Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 is far more disturbing than whether he's flashing the 'Il Cornuto'. This act which has already passed 404 to 6 is on its way to the senate for full passage. When passed it will be able to brand anti-globalist bloggers, and other Truth movement infowarriors as terrorists and enemy combatants. It's the first step in isolating and using terror as a means to divide the Truth movement and destroy free speech and dissent. The second step is public examples, pick-up lists and concentration camps.
Ron Paul - Throwing Up the Signs... - LeveL - 12-09-2007 06:51 PM
Quote:Ron Paul abstaining from voting on October 23rd, against the H.R. 1955: Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 is far more disturbing than whether he's flashing the 'Il Cornuto'. This act which has already passed 404 to 6 is on its way to the senate for full passage. When passed it will be able to brand anti-globalist bloggers, and other Truth movement infowarriors as terrorists and enemy combatants. It's the first step in isolating and using terror as a means to divide the Truth movement and destroy free speech and dissent. The second step is public examples, pick-up lists and concentration camps.
HHQ you always spell it out in such a coherent way, on here and on the radio.
Right now we are free to discuss all this stuff but I wonder how long it will last?
Well, the US might pass bills but I live in England, which is no better, a total nanny state these days, the shit they have us all doing like the recent thing: having everyone recycling their own rubbish and the council not picking up our rubbish every week like they used to, at the same time not giving us ANY rebate on the council tax that funds those collections. As Carlin said "No one seems to notice, no one seems to care." All it ever does is makes me angry-as-hell. But then I know thats exactly the intention behind it, at least in the US... the more angry a minority of people get, the easier it is to pinpoint those "types" and as you say, at some point all the dissenting people will be herded into those FEMA camps.
US laws can't stop me blogging, but there will be equal laws in the UK coming in, we work in tandem with the US on that front, its a truly global thing where every country in the entire west is getting to be the same... some countries like France, do not easily put up with things like that... which makes me wonder, if the "NWO" is to be successful, how they are ever going to get people like the French to go along with their crap? French riot if a bottle of wine goes up by a few centimes! GOOD, thats the way it should be, thats NOT the way it is in the UK or US, we all just put up with it, no one seems to notice, no one seems to care. I might take the piss outta the French a bit for surrendering all the time etc but hell, they sure don't surrender to their Government the way US and UK people do, its pathetic when you look at it.
Ron Paul - Throwing Up the Signs... - ozlo - 12-09-2007 08:45 PM
Quote:Ron Paul abstaining from voting on October 23rd, against the H.R. 1955: Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 is far more disturbing than whether he's flashing the 'Il Cornuto'.
It was kind of difficult for him to vote when he was out of town the day the vote was taken. It's gotten to the point where I don't follow most of the threads on here anymore because so many of you have begun to believe that EVERYTHING is a conspiracy, nothing good can happen in the world, and all is lost.
Ron Paul - Throwing Up the Signs... - LeveL - 12-09-2007 09:12 PM
Quote:I agree with you, from the reading up I've done it seems RP is a great friend to the multi-national corporate agenda even though he ostensibly advocates a devolution of federal government.
Before Ron Paul started running, there was a "gap in the market" so to speak, where ALL the Presidential candidates were people who seemed to be detatched from what the public actually wants. Ron Paul probably just saw that gap and filled it in. Now, I am not trying to critisize him here, he has ALWAYS been a guy who says the right things, so has congress woman Cynthia McKinney, but running for President is a whole other ball game IMO, seems like he is just there to give some people some hope, whereas the way I see it, you could have Superman himself as president and the actual policies would not change. Didn't the Democrats say they would withdraw troops from Iraq when they take the house? Now they have control of the house and are every bit as supportive of the
Its like a friend steals money from you and you catch him, but hey, he is your best friend so you forgive him. The week after, again you catch him stealing your money, but you forgive him again. For years, decades even, he steals your money and you ALWAYS forgive him! Thats what people are like man, the Government treats us all like their bitch... and WE ARE their bitch! Thats half the problem, we just put up with it.