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Solar Could Sun Cycle 24 wreck havok? What you must know to live. - hardboiled11 - 03-10-2008 02:36 PM
Some links to look at first.
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/21dec_cycle24.htm
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2007/s2847.htm Solar max cycle may start this month?
http://openpresswire.com/2008/01/06/5/ Sun approaches Solar Cycle 24, could wreak havoc
http://www.dailytech.com/Solar+Activity+Di...rticle10630.htm Solar Activity Diminishes; Researchers Predict Another Ice Age
http://www.spaceweather.com/images2008/09m...pgr94fnmqh6j7u6 updated image of the sun, no sign of activity yet, so it might be off into the future more.
http://www.boston.com/business/personalfin...eries_hit_home/ food gone up in price much
This is you're first, and final warning for possible future (its like holding war games), we grew up in this age not knowing anything other then we know in our daily lives, its easy to either accept everything or deny everything. It's all up to you any how, the age has to end some time though, no steam engine will last forever, specially when its getting shot at with rocket propelled grenades. You eventually have to get out of the luxury cart in the back, and run for your life at least or something, like fight for your life.
I know a lot of armchair survivalist out there are ready to go any moment, they had a 2 week adventure on some back packing or hunting trip and they still alive, I am sure with the scenario that is possible to happen, they will have no problem with it. When the economy collapses and its coldest year on record, with roaming bands of other hardcore survivalist. Well the reality of it might not be as severe or more so, imagine the injuries, starving and its really cold and you have a bullet stuck in your nuts from a few hours back trying to shoot over a rolled walmart truck full of some nice GMO preservative covered shit. Eventually after a couple encounters you get riddled and lay dieing and freeze to death, bleeding to death was to hard because the blood froze on the way out. That's just the good stuff, I know a lot of family people around will try and stay with em, but try and imagine if a few of t hem died eventually all of them, you would probably suicide couldn't take the emotional burden, that's with the cold starving hostile environment that used to be a nice community, at least until Society broke down and government locked everything inside the cities, well partially enough. Look back at the beginnings of Soviet Union if you want to get a idea.
That will probably bit into the future though, so don't worry, we have some top survivalist, economist though stating things like "SELL everything you don't absolutely Need, take the money and buy FOOD to store. Learn to gather rain water, and other sources of water. You'll be glad you did it before it all crashes down." Almost all of them fail to mention, learning how to barter locally, find some local farmers, and other businesses, get to know them a bit to. You can easily find out some local farmers/harvest http://www.localharvest.org/ through this web page.
The possibility's of what might happen, and what will happen could be a mixed bag, but the outcomes usually all them in one sometimes, even if its moderately bad.... with the years of conditioning with horrible substances in our food and water that make us a bit more weak then we naturally are.
Most of the things you need to survive you should already be doing since you can or its healthy, this article is mostly directed at Americans though, I am going to run down some things that one should be capable of if they even want to live 1 month during the climax of what may occur, or other natural or man made disasters, they are bound to happen, one with no skill can not rely on luck their entire lives.
Basic physical skills
Should be able to do
Run a 4 miles in 34 minutes at least (thats a 8 min and 30 second pace)
20 dead hang military pull ups (not chin ups), be able to lift oneself up above the bar also.
80 sit ups in 2 min
70 push ups in 2 min
be able to carry 50+ lb object like a log for 2 miles at a 11 min a mile pace, another good way is a backpack with gear.
swim 500 meters in 8 minutes
Get over the cold mentally.
Not that bad of a requirement but its nothing compared to where we can all be at.
For what is old can be new again, for what is new will soon be old.
A lot of modern techniques and gadgets may become useless if the disaster goes from bad to extremely bad, to catastrophic, ammo for guns doesn't grow off tree's, nor does parts for cars, and other mechanical objects, specially electrical, if there's no one producing you wont be using. The whole setting up of world Unions thing is probably just being put in place, so there's at least one stable region on the planet if a major catastrophe, you might have a society that's in a control grid but has a stable system going on, but is highly corrupt and it might end up being the front for a all out war.
I will leave up on what crap you decide on and what you learn and gear you pick, or set up of survival bunker or room you design, this is as much as I can suggest. Some links and a thread. So in a years time we will see how things unfold, just hope it doesn't bit your head off.
http://www.wheatmontana.com/index.php
http://waltonfeed.com/
http://www.mvseeds.com/gardencan.html
http://www.pleasanthillgrain.com/
Solar Could Sun Cycle 24 wreck havok? What you must know to live. - triplesix - 03-10-2008 04:17 PM
Our ape ancestors didn't spend however many million years surviving on this planet on milled grain and fine smoked meats. If it ever comes down to survival, I'm eating bugs. There's more than enough food around, if you're willing to eat it. Dying over a taboo like that makes no sense. Rather eat some ants than go cannibal.
Dig a couple large pits a day and you'll have a minefield with which to trap animals. Place tree branches and such over them and let animals walk into their doom. Once caught, prepare a smoker and salt, easily obtained by evaporating some sea water. Butcher the animal only when your smoker is prepared to operate for the full duration.
Always make sure you have a large stockpile of food, far larger than you consume in one day, enough for a month at least rationed out, and preferably have a safe means of storing it.
I'd recommend having a few plastic and metal objects, containers, etc. around so that if survival like this becomes an issue, you're not completely stone age about it. Even just one or two plastic containers guarantee a storage space free from insects, bacteria, etc. It would make some things substantially easier. A flint and steel fire starter is a good thing to have and they last nearly indefinitely.
Anyway, all this crap is discussed in the survival forum for people who really think it will come to this. Personally I don't, but it's a good thing to learn. I'm not sure you will necessarily have to get as ripped as 20 dead hang pull ups and 70 pushups in two minutes. I've been exercising fairly regularly for many years and these are not easy benchmarks. I'd say if you can perform 30 decent, well-formed pushups on demand you are already in much better shape than most. If you're trained in any martial art you take seriously, you can defeat someone much stronger, if that's the concern for strength. Pretty much any black belt from any discipline with any real sparring experience would have the know-how to cripple another human assuming they aren't trained for combat as well. Otherwise I do not see such health as necessary, and excessive muscle mass consumes large amounts of calories, and will increase the hunger demand of each day.
Just my opinion on the piece.
Peace.
Solar Could Sun Cycle 24 wreck havok? What you must know to live. - Cycle of Eternity - 03-11-2008 05:59 AM
i don't know if im the only one... but I JUST CAN'T WAIT for shit to hit the fan. really... im anticipating it. so-called humanity needs a wake up call from mother nature.
however it may happen... it needs to and soon.
Solar Could Sun Cycle 24 wreck havok? What you must know to live. - mastermg - 03-11-2008 06:59 AM
I have a theory for what really is going to happen in 2012. Ill write about it later, I need to research it more.
Solar Could Sun Cycle 24 wreck havok? What you must know to live. - hardboiled11 - 03-11-2008 08:51 AM
Thing is, not getting your ego in front of your true potential, these days the ego is much bigger then your idea of what is reality. A lot of people will be in for a fun ride, might be a short one for them though. Way to confident, will just get you killed, and it's easy to say you anit scared to die because you have not died that many times to be truly confident about it:P
Triplesix its really hard to say, and about out ancestors we really do not know what they went through and how they really lived, maybe only in recent 10,000 year period but everything is just speculation, we really don't know. One thing we do know, is we have to adapt like they did, in order to change with the times, if we do it well enough we might break the cycle who knows.
Solar Could Sun Cycle 24 wreck havok? What you must know to live. - DJOldskool - 03-11-2008 10:54 AM
From those links you gave, the consencus is not in yet. in a few months they should have a clearer picture on the maximum of the current cycle.
No need to panic just yet.
Solar Could Sun Cycle 24 wreck havok? What you must know to live. - hardboiled11 - 03-11-2008 10:58 AM
Well the solar max is supposed to have started back in Jan, but it didn't, the calm before the storm, we dunno how massive this one will be, might be even stronger then we last expected due to the daily.
Solar Could Sun Cycle 24 wreck havok? What you must know to live. - markko - 03-11-2008 12:52 PM
Well, solar cycles are a natural thing, there were many powerful in history, and it's not a big threat. In worst case scenario our GPS and GSM's wont work because of the interference. Regarding ice age - if it's to come, we won't see it, that's for sure... Earth will mantain it's temperature a long time after the sun cools down (because of the oceans), so cooling is a problem of generations ahead of us... I'd be more affraid of heating, cause there is nothing like oceans for cooling, that would stop earth from heating...
The problem with 2012 it it's so full of astronomical signs, its scary;
- venus crossing sun
- sun reverses its poles
- from earth's view we will be "aligned" with Milky way's centre
- many other, small signs
We'll see what it brings. I'll quote McKenna: "Nothing will happen, yet everything will happen". Time will answer.
Solar Could Sun Cycle 24 wreck havok? What you must know to live. - hardboiled11 - 03-11-2008 12:56 PM
Here is a good presentation to watch if you want, will explain a lot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLkze-9GcI part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN06JSi-SW8 part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCXDISLXTaY part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQQGFZHSno part 4
Solar Could Sun Cycle 24 wreck havok? What you must know to live. - mastermg - 03-12-2008 12:13 AM
Could this be the day the Antichrist is released onto this world? And after him, Gog and Magog?
Solar Could Sun Cycle 24 wreck havok? What you must know to live. - psilocybin - 03-12-2008 05:08 AM
I'll be laughing my ass of in 2013 when this shit doesn't go down...
I had a really long post drafted out, but I'm pretty much depleted with regards to this subject.
Intellekt has it right... I think it could be very interesting... I always like those post apocalyptic movies.
Solar Could Sun Cycle 24 wreck havok? What you must know to live. - hardboiled11 - 03-12-2008 10:27 AM
It's not about 2012, its about social break down:P
Solar Could Sun Cycle 24 wreck havok? What you must know to live. - LoopRadar - 03-12-2008 12:29 PM
Quote:Here is a good presentation to watch if you want, will explain a lot.Solid. Thank you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLkze-9GcI part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN06JSi-SW8 part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCXDISLXTaY part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQQGFZHSno part 4
LR
Solar Could Sun Cycle 24 wreck havok? What you must know to live. - hardboiled11 - 03-12-2008 03:51 PM
What kind of noob admin moved this to religion and occult:P
Solar Could Sun Cycle 24 wreck havok? What you must know to live. - psilocybin - 03-12-2008 05:00 PM
Quote:What kind of noob admin moved this to religion and occult:P
lolz maybe it's a statement.