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Today there was an article in a german newspaper. It was about some new experiments swiss scientists will do at cern. (if you dont know what CERN is - its europe bigges particle accelerator. Also check the wikipedia page if you need further infos). The thing is that they are trying to do some new experiements to simulate the big bang, by colliding particles. Thats nothing new, but it looks like that the swiss scientists are about to do something new or maybe something bigger within the next few months. The newspaper also reported that by doing those experiments there is a possibility that tiny black holes are created and the swiss scientist said that the possiblity to create black holes do exists. But the swiss scientist also said the chances that anything goes wrong are minimal and stuff like that. In the same article they asked a german scientist who is researching chaos theory that the risks are unknown and to high and that if something goes wrong and one of the micro black holes which are created by those experiements would become instable and begin to grow that the whole earth could be "suck in" in about 50months.

Ok I know there were a few hollywood movies about that topic and it really sounds like science fiction. But a few things made me think. First CERN is doing such research and the possibility that micro black holes are created in the process is real and even the CERN scientists agree to that. The CERN scientists are saying that they would have it under control and nothing will happen, but what if something uncontrollable happens? Second another scientists who is research chaos theory is talking about that those experiments are not controllable at all and there is the chance that something goes wrong and noone can simulate or say what is really going to happen if CERN is starting those experiments. Third the time frame he gave. Roughly 50 months and the earth could be "sucked into" the black hole. Fourth the mayan calender and the fact that it ends 2012. There are many theories about the mayan calender and why it ends 2012 etc. but well we have 2008 now... 50 months... thats 4 years and 2 months... also we are not sure when CERN will start those experiments but I think they will start it the next few months... Lets see... its april 2008, 50 months later we have june 2012. Lets say the CERN experiment starts in a few months and it will also maybe take a months or two till something goes wrong... december 2012 end of the mayan calender...

That really fits together or dont you think so?

Na, 2012 is a bunch of BS. Nothing will happen, trust me. Also, there is no way humans can create black holes, it is created by the collapsing of stars. Where will scientists find all the great gravity needed to create a black hole? No way this will be successful.

<div align='center'>oh my god, looks like they've had success already:whatthe:
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Perhaphs a B-day party for when the internet turns 19, to try an out do the "International Linear Collider" that will investigate phenomena that even CERN won’t be able to observe.

Quote:It was 1993 when CERN, the European Organisation for Nuclear Research unveiled the networking technology to be used around homes throughout the world.

question. Why does the end of a calender made millenia ago have anything to do with the end of the world? Our calender ends every year....

30,000 years worth of dates. Not one person i know ever thinks that it might just be they couldnt be bothered to do more as 30,000 years into the future was enough. put yourself in Mayan shoes/sandals. we need to make a calendar. ok lets make it for a thousand years. No, we are bound to last longer than that lets make it for 30,000 that way we are safe. plenty of time.

They speculate and will be testing because they don't understand fully how the physics of our world interact on the smallest of the scales (IF there is is a finite scale).
Let's just do it and see what happens. We can only learn from it.

We are nothing to the Universe!!! Do we know everything there is to know about the universe and even within our own world. Scientist think they know and try to justify everything through science and technology and experiments, thats Okay...but they know all that is to know? In reference to the Maya Calendar, many know crap about the whole thing but the maya calendar does have a significant time date stamp that something is brewing. Not only the maya, but the Mexica/Mexican, better known as the Aztec calendar refer to 4 worlds which ended in chaotic situations, the fifth sun which we are in at the moment is the bridge to the 6tht sun which initials another age. The bible also hints on this, but does not disclose dates or locations, it takes you through a whole different route. Its a whole universe or universes out there, we know -(something) compared to it.

Quote:The bible also hints on this, but does not disclose dates or locations, it takes you through a whole different route.

The route of the sun at 12:00 PM on solstice day.

hmmmm someone firing a few particles around and hitting them together is gonn afor m a black hole according to the bible? hmmm This is why religion really needs to stay out of science. makes itself look a little irrelevant.

Quote:hmmmm someone firing a few particles around and hitting them together is gonn afor m a black hole according to the bible? hmmm This is why religion really needs to stay out of science. makes itself look a little irrelevant.

Yes, the credibility and interpretation of the bible is crap. the Lutheran and protestants just offshoots of the same crap. How can you trust an organized secret institution if it has killed more people on the planet earth than any war? To trust in that institution is to keep
on being dead meat and liking being tortured. The History of the Vatican is mayhem ground beef human being murder. If you ask me, I believe more on the Maya than on some wicked vatican and its Dominic poops. The reason no one gives any creditability to the Maya is because:

1. They hardly know anything about the Maya, Mexica/Mexican, Olmeca and would rather invent myths and twists to satisfy their own curiosity and lies

2. The History is neglected and twisted

3. Myths are rather embraced than truly researched and analyzed

4. An attitude of vile and racist attitude is taken by the Europeans towards Indigenous people, even worse when the indigenous people come, are, and were of genius background.

5. The Media is european, books are written by the victors and the wicked

6. Those who control the media and broadcasts display themselves as holy only

7. Arrogance and closed mindedness are embraced in America than in Europe. Strange but, people are more racist in America than in many european nations

8. Europeans like to believe they are superior to all and everyone else is a slave or stupid (Arrogance, Ego, and linear thinking of self destruction)

9. There so much to be discovered within the American continent than there is in Europe, China, or Africa.

10. The American Culture of original people are descendants of Atlantis, Mexican, Maya, Olmec, Tolteka, and many other native American.

11. European Americans are the most racist people on the planet earth besides Africa.

12. Many Europeans are closed minded and suffer from Superior inferiority and fear - no wonder bush got hold of their mind, it was used against European American by their own leader.

13. It is no grand mystery or wonder why Native American, Mexica, Maya, Olmeca, Inka are seen as backwards and none interesting- America was founded on linear thought patterns - Mental Greed And control - Not Discovery - If it were about discovery it would be all different right now in America. In reality, America was discovered for Europe and England not for freedom and good well being to any people, the European thought continues to this day in America as but a middle ages nightmare!!

14. Hitler was a lot more interested in the Maya culture than America was during the second world war - America was too busy securing racist ideals.

15. No wonder its all BS

16. To go against natural thought and Nature is backwards since a human being is a natural being off from nature it would be a flawed thought to go against that which created or originated from natural millions of years to be exploited and killed in a few days by science and technology who operate to annihilate rather to cultivate and enhance the process of waking and instilling consciousness into people rather than brainwash.

17. European Politics and Religion has enslaved the world, not set it free. It has divided people and is destroying the human race and the planet based on greed and not transcendence. Racist Poltics and Religion are but enslavement of your mind, not freedom of to reach the next level of humanity, instead it becomes de-humanity to think as the demons in the white house and in the vatican. Free your mind from the demons!!!

13. Open your fukn mind idiots

Nick I was actually paging through this book today down at B & N (still no Alien Worlds and Stan's book was gone). BTW I bought another copy of your Body Snatchers book today at my local pagan store...

Anyway here's the deal: I've read Daniel Pinchbech's 2012 book (which launched this latest new age craze -- sorry but true). B & N features half a dozen new 2012 books! Also I've corresponded with Daniel quite a bit when he posted on his old website http://breakingopenthehead.com

The two books on the Mayans that I recommend are 1) Martin Pretchel's "Secrets of the Talking Jaguar" and 2) Ptolemy Tompkin's (son of New Age guru Peter Tompkin) -- the title slips me, something about a tree under hell...

The point being that REAL Mayan culture (and I've been to the pyramids) is actually village shaman-based NOT pyramid-calendar ritual based. So in village shamanism the culture is much more like Taoism, where everything is gendered.

Now, as for the astronomical cycle, Sage raises an interesting point, but as usual, from WITHIN science, without taking into account the social and ecological consequences of science as a whole. That's the MAIN difference between THIS galactic alignment and the previous ones -- science is based on the SOLAR calendar, whereas the original Mayan culture was matrifocal shamanism (just like West Africa or Taoism, etc.).

So, take, John Gribbon, for example. I was reading another of his more recent science books -- on the big bang. He was discussing the PROJECT POLTERGEIST -- the search for neutrinos. I found that name fascinating. If you take a look at Peter Woit's new book on how particle physics is a big scam -- NOT EVEN WRONG is the title -- he details how the model for neutrinos still is based on infinites which can not be renormalized.

Project Poltergeist -- the beta decay of electrons through the nucleus does create alchemical transmutation. Nevertheless the scientific model for this relies on creating another particle which is hardly reliable as a product of nature. Science is a big scam and not just science - but ALL solar-based calendars.

So 2012? The fact is the Mayans were AFRAID of zero -- because zero is the matrifocal principle of creation from formless awareness or pure consciousness. Kali is the same troubling concept (kala means time in the Vedic calendar and Kali is when time ends in destruction but then starts over as consciousness). If you're a pyramid-priest ruling over a war-based dynasty then of course you will be obsessed with the idea of time ending or having some sort of linear, phallic trajectory.

All of these calendars rely on symmetric-based visually dominant perception which is just a byproduct of what Jacques Cauvin calls the "symbolic revolution" of circa 10,000 BCE. Matrifocal bushmen culture, in contrast, has been documented going back to 80,000 BCE. I just got the "Healing Dance of the Kalahari San" c.d. from the Smithsonian -- amazing healing trance music of WOMEN singing.

Taoism and true matrifocal cultures are based on the concept of Number being ASYMMETRICAL or complementary. All of Western math relies on symmetric-based visually-dominant number (including the Mayan calendar). So the true meaning of 2012 is that 1 plus 1 does not equal 2. In other words 1:2, the harmonic octave, resonates, through natural overtones into 2:3 or yang -- the perfect fifth harmonic, which in turn resonates into 3:4, the perfect fourth harmonic. That's the Pythagorean Tetrad - the secret of Quezacoatal (sp?) -- or whatever -- Kundalini, etc. The Bushmen snake statue is from 80,000 BCE -- the oldest snake worship on record.

In other words in the Mayan calendar and in Western math there's a one-to-one correspondence of letter and number so that A x B = B x A. But I just showed you that in natural overtone harmonics 2:3 = 3:4 so that A x B does not equal B x A. That's the secret of nonwestern shamanism, alchemy, etc. -- and you won't find it from the pyramid priests.

as you probably gathered im not too interested in the Mayan or Aztec calenders and what they "mean" if anything. There is alot of meaning behind a "western" calender but its primary use is to know when to meet people and such. Im not trying to be simplistic but its always a good place to start. Im sure there were a few geniuses in the mayan culture, not to mention plenty of morons to offset this. This is where indigenous and western people have similarities.

To say that the maya were all dreadfully clever and all us westerners dont know anything is a bit racist in its own way. Plus to say they "knew" what was going to happen in 30,000 years is a bit presumptuous. I've found that most prophecies seem to be false when they are "due" unless you speak to the wrong people. apparently according to many ppl in the past ive died from the earth being destroyed about 15 times now. I'm still waiting.....

All im saying is....an open mind lets doubt in aswell as belief.

Quote:as you probably gathered im not too interested in the Mayan or Aztec calenders and what they "mean" if anything. There is alot of meaning behind a "western" calender but its primary use is to know when to meet people and such. Im not trying to be simplistic but its always a good place to start. Im sure there were a few geniuses in the mayan culture, not to mention plenty of morons to offset this. This is where indigenous and western people have similarities.

To say that the maya were all dreadfully clever and all us westerners dont know anything is a bit racist in its own way. Plus to say they "knew" what was going to happen in 30,000 years is a bit presumptuous. I've found that most prophecies seem to be false when they are "due" unless you speak to the wrong people. apparently according to many ppl in the past ive died from the earth being destroyed about 15 times now. I'm still waiting.....

All im saying is....an open mind lets doubt in aswell as belief.

The Gregorian Calendar which was not invented by pope gregory, it was invented by sombody else, he was just given the credit. But the western calendar does hold some truths to ancient knowledge and the different ages up to the number 13th being a sacred number and nothing to do with superstition as it has been done onto you by your own western thought as meaning A BAD LUCK NUMBER. Some of us know that being a bad luck number is nothng but bullshit. Why is the number part of the dollar bill and why does come up with the maya and aztec lore? Somebody knows something about numbers and its powers. If there is something good about the western calendar and the cosmos why does seek to enslave you instead of setting you free. The gregorian calendar became a commercial calendar to tell the people when to get naked for the church and deliver the money, when to have easter, when to have the fourth of july, and what days you should be in church to be brainwashed. In terms of being racist, I think the gregorian calender is racist in itself towards western people in terms of enslavement and commercialism of materialsm. The calendar came out of the vatican, the evil dark lords, it is self explanatory!

In referance to the Maya And Aztec/Mexica calendars, there were many calendars dealing not just with time but with human behavior, vibrations, atlantian knowledge, phylosophy as was the Egyptions and summerians. very complex calendars that originated the ZER0 out from their own genious. The maya were masters of mathametics amongst other stuff.

And you have to wonder, why was hitler so interested in the maya culture? Maybe someone or something told him about certain areas of knowledge? He was certainly interested in the books which he held in his possesion when he injected death onto his end.

Maybe you need to study the maya a little bit to appreciate what the story is.

In terms of maintaining an open mind, that in itself is being open to conciousness and elevetion from the box. The box of the United Snakes to hold your brain in prison of lies and distortions.

In summary, the gregorian calendar is a commercial calendar which to some extent has sought to enslave people to the church, materialims, and commercialism.

You can always consult the vatican for answares, maybe they know something which they wish not to share!


Is government a mirror image of their people, or People a mirror image of their governments and churches?

Open mind to what may I ask? To base the whole of human existence on some ridiculous 5000 year calendar.....220 failed prophcies and this will no doubt be 221.........

Quote:Open mind to what may I ask? To base the whole of human existence on some ridiculous 5000 year calendar.....220 failed prophcies and this will no doubt be 221.........

would rather live as a closed minded or open minded?