I was considering scouting areas w/ mineral deposits including iron ore to begin off-grid mining and blacksmithing, possibly a little panning, etc.
I can find out the specifics through online research and phone calls, but I'm hoping for some first-hand testimonials.
I'm curious if anyone has any experience dealing w/ the bureau of land management and the process of staking claims, as well as what the productivity requirements are to keep them.
I plan to build shelter, wild-craft and plant produce and medicinal plants, do some trapping and fishing... the general survival lifestyle.
Iron ore is abundant but so is scrap iron. Smithing is a good skill to have. I'm Canadian so can't help you about claim staking etc...
(06-26-2012 04:52 AM)yeti Wrote: [ -> ]Iron ore is abundant but so is scrap iron. Smithing is a good skill to have. I'm Canadian so can't help you about claim staking etc...
Yeah, I know about Iron ore - I'd like to combinine it with panning in the cool-down periods in the necessary off hours, (due the massive physical exertion needed,) to create some more easily converted productivity from the land. From what I've understood from limited hearsay, it takes a certain production of taxable income from the land in order to hold a claim, exempting one from the 14 day limit (
rainbow family law) that keeps "citizens" off
national forest (also USDA property) land for extended periods. Granted, it takes filing with th USGvt to get it, but I'm OK with that if I know my land and they don't.
What's the process for working gvt land in Canada w/o being harassed as long as you're working it productively? Is there one?
I hope to find a place with a scrap-yard or collectors/preparers nearby, so I can trade my works or my yield for materials.
(06-26-2012 05:23 AM)h3rm35 Wrote: [ -> ]What's the process for working gvt land in Canada w/o being harassed as long as you're working it productively? Is there one?
Staking a claim is easy on claimable land. There are no requirements to work it. Much more than that I'm not too sure about.
(06-26-2012 06:01 AM)yeti Wrote: [ -> ] (06-26-2012 05:23 AM)h3rm35 Wrote: [ -> ]What's the process for working gvt land in Canada w/o being harassed as long as you're working it productively? Is there one?
Staking a claim is easy on claimable land. There are no requirements to work it. Much more than that I'm not too sure about.
What = claimable land in Canada? The Bureau of Land Management in the US is part of the US Dept. of Agriculture, and it is basically the sub-division that is the extension that created the land races in the westward extension after the settlement of the Louisiana Purchase. If one actually wants to own the land, all you'll be able to pick up are small, uninhabitable parcels in Alaska, but BLM lands allow for American "citizens" to claim rights on but not own. These lands are owned by default by the US government and rights for extraction are up for grabs (yet ruled by Federal law) as long as there is some form of minimal production on it that can be reported as taxable income, even if that income ends up totalling under the minimum taxable amount...
Are you pickin' up what I'm putting down?
It ain't so bad here sometimes, as long as you don't depend on convenience and are ready to bust your ass to live.
no help, huh?
I guess I could start a blog on the subject as I work through it....
I don't know what the hell is going on, but I keep getting messages that "the subject is too long" when I haven't changed it at all, even in situations where it doesn't overrun the subject line, and I've recently bee getting MyBB error messages when I don't post and simply try to connect or search. anyone know what might be happening?
In order to be able to post this, I had to get rid of the "re:" in the original subject line...
for some reason, no matter where I go, on different boxes as well as wired and wireless networks, .gov sites haven't worked for me at all in the last 24 hrs...
(06-28-2012 06:24 AM)h3rm35 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know what the hell is going on, but I keep getting messages that "the subject is too long" when I haven't changed it at all, even in situations where it doesn't overrun the subject line, and I've recently bee getting MyBB error messages when I don't post and simply try to connect or search. anyone know what might be happening?
In order to be able to post this, I had to get rid of the "re:" in the original subject line...
for some reason, no matter where I go, on different boxes as well as wired and wireless networks, .gov sites haven't worked for me at all in the last 24 hrs...
Same thing even with different browsers?
haven't tried different browsers, as they annoy me more than this issue does.
(06-29-2012 12:15 AM)h3rm35 Wrote: [ -> ]haven't tried different browsers, as they annoy me more than this issue does.
Still having the issue?
nope, it seems to be fine now... weird.
Any progress with this h3rm35 ? ? I'm interested in hearing how it's going if it's something your still pursuing.
We want to do something along the lines of this also… and have been toying with the idea for a few years now. We don't plan to stake a claim, but rather buy one. *Unpatented
Being able to leave Indiana is out of my control right now… but when that changes… a mining claim is very much in the scheme.
It's still something I plan on pursuing, but a lack of people who have experienced that little corner of Federal bureaucratic hell have kept me from actively working through it. Buying a claim that's worthwhile Is either very difficult or very expensive (unless you've got friends or family that have land they're not working,) otherwise I wouldn't consider the "public" land option. then again, i like using their land rather than paying a gvt to exist for the "right" to own my own. I know it seems counter-intuitive, but for the lifestyle I plan to lead once I make the move, it makes the most sense.
I might have a lead for you, just waiting to hear back from someone.
cool, thanks, can't wait!
His reply verbatim:
Quote:Yes, he should do a surface mineral claim or even better, a placer claim. He will need to show $200 of minerals removed per year and some small improvements each year (a gate is an improvement). Although you cannot build a permanent structure on a claim, he can put a trailer house if the axles and wheels remain on the home.
From what I found online...
There are two types of mining claims, lode and placer.
Lode Claims: Deposits subject to lode claims include classic veins or lodes having well-defined boundaries. They also include other rock in-place bearing valuable minerals and may be broad zones of mineralized rock. Examples include quartz or other veins bearing gold or other metallic minerals and large volume but low-grade disseminated metallic deposits. Lode claims are usually described as parallelograms with the longer side lines parallel to the vein or lode . Descriptions are by metes and bounds surveys (giving length and direction of each boundary line). Federal statute limits their size to a maximum of 1,500 feet in length along the vein or lodge. Their width is a maximum of 600 feet, 300 feet on either side of the centerline of the vein or lode. The end lines of the lode claim must be parallel to qualify for underground extralateral rights. Extralateral rights involve the rights to minerals that extend at depth beyond the vertical boundaries of the claim.
Placer Claims: Mineral deposits subject to placer claims include all those deposits not subject to lode claims. Originally, these included only deposits of unconsolidated materials, such as sand and gravel, containing free gold or other minerals. By Congressional acts and judicial interpretations, many nonmetallic bedded or layered deposits, such as gypsum and high calcium limestone, are also considered placer deposits. Placer claims, where practicable, are located by legal subdivision of land(for example: the E 1/2 NE 1/3 NE 1/4, Section 2, Township 10 South, Range 21 East, Mount Diablo Meridian). The maximum size of a placer claim is 20 acres per locator .