frankzappa Wrote:Baigent, Leigh and Lincoln
those guys are full of crap bud.
they were sucked in utterly by the admitted and convicted fraudsters, Plantard and de Chérisey, that invented the priory of sion pish
but Baigent, Leigh and Lincoln persist in the claims of the veracity of this uttely debunked crap.
even though plantard claimed the Merovingians descended from the tribe of Benjamin ,Baigent, Leigh and Lincoln claimed they were descended from Jesus.. in fact they added a lot more to the myth than the bullshit already in it.
plantard must have pissed himself laughing.
much more to point out but that is the basics
anyways bud.. those authors are not exactly known factual content in their books... just letting you know
frankzappa Wrote:Regarding Masonic symbolism a good place to start would be pax681’s avatar - the “Skull and Bones”, interesting considering the correction of my use of the term “raised”.
lol... i am a member of
Teampull Dubh and the ava refers to that ,i am also politically NOT a unionist as masons are very much prone to be.
the day i toast that bunch of inbred German twats is the day i cut off my own cock with a rusty butter knife (no offence meant to Germans btw..lol most of my fav music is German/German influenced...EBM)
frankzappa Wrote:This is no less than alchemy where humanity can be considered the base material
in alchemy that was always the case..... turning "base man" into "spiritual man" ... kind of
but man was always the "base" item.
alchemical texts are extremely metaphorical/allegorical in nature
frankzappa Wrote:An initiate is 'raised from amongst the dead' by the Grand Master.
nope he is raised by the Master/Right Worshipful Master(depending on the constitution) of the lodge.
Grand Master would be a provincial grand lodge title or grand lodge title.
the term
Jack Tar was/is synonymous with the British merchant and royal navy... not pirates bud.
frankzappa Wrote:The skull and crossbones indicate that the buried man was a master mason. Many such tombs predate the founding of the English grand lodge in 1717"
Freemasonry predates the formation of the grand lodge in june 1717 at the goose and gridiron pub.and even a simple bit of logic, a question, gives that away......
what has to exist to elect members to grand lodge?
answer.... a group of lodges
also as to the etymology of the word pirate... erm..... i don't reckon Allan Watt looked logivcally at it really if that is the source of the fanciful explanation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy#Etymology
Quote:The English "pirate" is derived from the Latin term pirata and that from Greek "πειρατής" (peiratēs), "brigand", in turn from "πειράομαι" (peiráomai), "I attempt", from "πεῖρα" (peîra), "attempt, experience".The word is also cognate to peril
http://www.word-detective.com/2009/01/16/pirate/
Quote:“Pirate” is indeed of European descent, in that it is based on an Indo-European root and came to us, as many English words do, through Greek, Latin, and Old French incarnations. The Indo-European root in the case of “pirate” was “per,” which carried the sense of “try” or “risk.” Its Greek descendant “pieran” meant “to attempt” as well as “to attack,” and eventually we had the Latin form “pirata,” which meant “attacker, robber,” and later specifically “sea attacker.” From there on, the various forms carried the sense of “one who attacks at sea,” although figurative use of “pirate” in a more general sense to mean “one who exploits or plunders” was also common.
To double back to that Indo-European “per” (meaning “try” or “risk”) for a moment, it’s interesting to note that the same root ultimately also produced the modern English words “expert,” “experience” and “peril,” among others.
In English, “pirate” appeared in the late 14th century with the meaning of “a person who robs ships at sea,” with the figurative use meaning “robber, marauder, plunderer” on land as well as sea arising about 100 years later.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=pirate
Quote:pirate (n.) Look up pirate at Dictionary.com
mid-13c., from O.Fr. pirate, from L. pirata "sailor, sea robber," from Gk. peirates "brigand, pirate," lit. "one who attacks," from peiran "to attack, make a hostile attempt on, try," from peira "trial, an attempt, attack," from PIE base *per- "try" (cf. L. peritus "experienced," periculum "trial, experiment, risk, danger," see peril). Meaning "one who takes another's work without permission" first recorded 1701; sense of "unlicensed radio broadcaster" is from 1913. The verb is first recorded 1570s. Related: Pirated; pirating.
TBH it seems Allan Watt is quite a tit from that explanation of the word pirate. As much as it pains me to speak ill of a fellow Scotsman.. that is tenuous bollocks.
