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While you're so hard at it (bearing fruits with your debates on this site) give me your statement of faith.

You have some interesting choices for quotes. The combo seems a bit new ager to me. I'm sure you can explain.

If you have watched my films you know what I stand on. As far as the fruits I am bearing I will leave that up to the ONE righteous Judge....not you....to decided what I have and haven't consummated myself with.

Also, where did you get your definition from? A Catholic dictionary? This to is another joke I presume?

Heresy is defined as an opinion held in opposition to the church.

THE church of God consists of those who confess with their mouths the Lord Jesus and believe in their hearts that God hath raised Him from the dead.
(Romans 10:9)

Scripture says 1 Corinthians 11 18-19

17Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse.

18For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.

19For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.


Also...

Galatians 5:19-20
19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,


And...
Romans 16:17
17Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.


Finally
2 Peter 2:1

1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

I thank you all for your time in viewing this. Please feel free to spread it to any sites and the lost in person!

I might not reply all the time...but I did leave my personal name on this site at the end of my film this time so those who had questions and comments could address me personally.

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PS ...Here's what I think of you MLK Jr. quote:

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/ml...xposed.htm

You lost me when you judged me on words I have in my signature quoted from others. I do not judge them, it is not my place, but it is those specific words that I have used, not all that those who said or wrote them may or may not have done or said.

For you to judge another based solely on such shallow "evidence" is ridiculous, especially when you have all my posts available at just a click, and could instead attack me for my own words.

Heresy btw was a term that you clearly misunderstand in it's actual meaning:

Quote:Heresy (from Greek αίρεση, which originally meant "choice") is a controversial or novel change to a system of beliefs, especially a religion, that conflicts with established dogma.[1] It is distinct from apostasy, which is the formal denunciation of one's religion, principles or cause,[2] and blasphemy, which is irreverence toward religion.[3] The founder or leader of a heretical movement is called a heresiarch, while individuals who espouse heresy or commit heresy, are known as heretics. Heresiology is the study of heresy.

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"Christian Heresy" on the other hand was something popularised as terminology for those who opposed the Roman Catholic Church.

Quote:St. Irenaeus (c. 120 to 140–c. 200 to 203) defined heresy as deviation from the standard of sound doctrine.

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But in the original Greek meaning that the Latin (Roman) was popularised from, even Jesus was a heretic. And even then, as it stands, one man's heresy is another man's truth (the Eucharist for example, which I count as heresy).

If we are to get into the area of the actual meaning of the written word, then fine, but what I would suggest is that debate is NOT the way (which is why I refrain as much as I can from engaging in anything that involved strife, though it wasn't always that way).

Romans 1:28-29(a)
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate...


It does go on to say "without natural affection" also, and I would suggest that the reason for my initial reply is that you were presenting that you "did not have the time". I suppose making a documentary is more easy than dealing with humans one to one, but I would suggest that the rewards are much greater, for others as well as ourselves.

Making time for both would be great too of course, which leads me to my final point, the reason I first commented was that you were choosing to ignore what others were discussing about your documentary, and rather than address these individuals you have chosen to create more strife rather than take the time you have to address me, to instead address those others that chose to download and watch your documentary (just as I did).

I have no further interest in talking to you. You called the Lord a heretic. I have more than "shallow evidence" buddy. Oh and not a mention of your faith statement which should be very simple especially for someone who likes to talk so much on here. You are a joke. Period end of story.

Paul says this of fools like you:


Titus 3:10

10A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

I reject you fool.

That was low man, and nasty.

Twisting my words isn;t great, especially while condemning many who twist words to make money. At least the posts are here for all to see. I actually did NOT say Jesus was a heretic:

Dunamis Wrote:But in the original Greek meaning that the Latin (Roman) was popularised from, even Jesus was a heretic.

But if you insist, give me ONE shred of evidence that my etymology is wrong here! Being that "Chrstianity" didn't exist at the time of Christ, I couldn't possibly be saying Jesus was a heretic of "Christian doctrine" now, could I, so please, don't insinuate it. What Paul spoke of were those that opposed (by then) established doctrine...Paul never met Jesus at the time of His ministry, only after the ascension. But are my words falling on deaf ears? I don't want to take the time if it's just thrown back in my face every time.

Adding that you think I am a "joke" just reveals more of the character you wish to present to the world.

Unless you are willing to be a Peacemaker with me and actually take the time. I always hope and always forgive...as I am sure you do.

As you ended with what Paul said, I'll end with what Christ said:

Matthew 22:37-40
Jesus said unto him, thou shalt love the lord thy god with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

John 14:21
"[Jesus said] He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."

Manifest - Ancient Greek
emphanizo
em-fan-id'-zo
to exhibit (in person) or disclose (by words): - appear, declare (plainly), inform, (will) manifest, shew, signify.
[Clarke's Concordance]

I pity the fool. So Mr. T says

And just to say, in case it's somehow used to say I'm not worth the time, here is what I definitively believe;

I believe in God the Father, the creator of all things, and in the Holy Ghost. I believe in Jesus Christ of Nazareth, and that He was, and is, the Only begotten Son of the Father. I believe that Jesus died for the redemption of man (singular) and the conquering of sin (singular), once and for all.

I am sure that will attract some unwanted attention. But almost everyone who posts often here knows I believe these things.

(09-02-2011 01:06 AM)Dunamis Wrote: [ -> ]And just to say, in case it's somehow used to say I'm not worth the time, here is what I definitively believe;

I believe in God the Father, the creator of all things, and in the Holy Ghost. I believe in Jesus Christ of Nazareth, and that He was, and is, the Only begotten Son of the Father. I believe that Jesus died for the redemption of man (singular) and the conquering of sin (singular),

So you don't believe that Jesus is one with God and was God made flesh? He only died for the sin (singular) of one man(singular?) What man was it then? You?


FYI: you did call Jesus a heretic....now twice. According to the Word of God he was fulfilling scriptures prophesied long before he came into the world. Therefore he was exactly right with his teachings, so how is it that he is a heretic in any sense? Was he or wasn't he right about everything he said? The only real heretic is one who has a false belief about the Holy One of Israel and claims yet to be saved.


I hear all kinds of new theologies all the time. It's like people want a "Burger King" version of the Word (which was in the beginning with God and was God and was made flash and dwelt amongst us---Jesus). I say you are a joke because you are still very much foolish. You have still yet to really define your faith. I claim Biblical Christianity. I don't use any other book beside the KJV of the Holy Bible. I stand on the Rock of my Salvation.

You asked for a brief statement of faith, and then complain that it's not more detailed.

Then you continue with your interpretation (not the factual) meaning of the Greek word Heretic, which simply means to go against "established" teaching, not to go against the correct teaching. A Muslim who leaves the faith is, under the same ancient greek, a heretic of Islam.

Clearly you don't have the time to answer the questions of others, but yet...you're here judging yet again.

"I claim Biblical Christianity." is not a statement of faith either, but it's an easy cop out.

I do believe the whole Word of God (the bible) to be inerrant, that is to say, without error, though clearly translations are a problem, the Greek for heretic for example. Jesus didn't even speak Greek...

But then, your sidetracking, I did say:

Quote:But if you insist, give me ONE shred of evidence that my etymology is wrong here!

Of course I wouldn't now claim the Jesus is a heretic in the sense that YOU understand the word, but that's not what I was saying, and it's clear that's the truth, so lie and twist all you like, but don't be deceived into thinking your any better or more worthy than anyone else.

(09-06-2011 10:28 AM)Dunamis Wrote: [ -> ]You asked for a brief statement of faith, and then complain that it's not more detailed.

Then you continue with your interpretation (not the factual) meaning of the Greek word Heretic, which simply means to go against "established" teaching, not to go against the correct teaching. A Muslim who leaves the faith is, under the same ancient greek, a heretic of Islam.

Clearly you don't have the time to answer the questions of others, but yet...you're here judging yet again.

"I claim Biblical Christianity." is not a statement of faith either, but it's an easy cop out.

I do believe the whole Word of God (the bible) to be inerrant, that is to say, without error, though clearly translations are a problem, the Greek for heretic for example. Jesus didn't even speak Greek...

But then, your sidetracking, I did say:

Quote:But if you insist, give me ONE shred of evidence that my etymology is wrong here!

Of course I wouldn't now claim the Jesus is a heretic in the sense that YOU understand the word, but that's not what I was saying, and it's clear that's the truth, so lie and twist all you like, but don't be deceived into thinking your any better or more worthy than anyone else.

Didn't you watch my movie(s)? I made my statement of fatih in ALL of them.

I know I am not any more worthy than anyone else. Never said I was, but what is funny is how you have came on here and attacked me and claim to be a Christian as well. That's a joke.


We are to judge. Do you lie and say you do not judge? Everyone does! That's one thing I couldn't get over when I was in the world and not saved. All these couch christians going around saying "judge not!" Who was Jesus talking to? Hypocrites! Matthew 7

1Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.


I am not a hypocrite! I am commanded to judge the fruit (by their fruit you will know them).

Matthew 7:
15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?


Here is some more examples for you since you aren't very versed on scripture:

Zachariah 3:7
Thus saith the LORD of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also JUDGE my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by.

Jeremiah 5

1Run ye to and fro through the streets of Jerusalem, and see now, and know, and seek in the broad places thereof, if ye can find a man, if there be any that executeth judgment, that seeketh the truth; and I will pardon it.

This should set you straight on judgement:

John7:
24Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.


Also you could argue that to discern means to "judge" so:
Matthew 16:
3And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

Wait isn't there an entire book in the Bible called "Judges?"

Now please tell me you don't judge. You will be a liar if so. We are to judge, but the problem lies in that the world (including you) have tied judging and condemnation. No man can condem anyone to hell. Only God will be the rightteous judge of that. Not man, but the Lord. As much as I have (yes I ahve sinned in the past) hated people in the PAST, could I have ever sent them to hell? No. I will, however, continue to follow Jesus and do as He commanded us and judge righteosuly!

If you are a Christian, then you are my brother. Your arguement isn't with me. Stop wasting my time with this, and if you want to bear fruit then start doing something more productive. I am not bashing you in anyway, but rather trying to show you that you are not correct in YOUR view of the scripture.

We are to "rightly divide the Word", but you have did like the world and put a gag order on it.

Good day.

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I just rememebered the the other guy who you are quoting in your signature:

Jiddu Krishnamurti
ANTI CHRIST WHO CLAIMED TO BE THE MESSIAH!!!!!!!!!!!!


You are a Christian???????


Get real!

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Let me make one more statement since I have you figured out now.

With guys like you I have learned that I have to be more specific with my questioning.
That being said, what are your views on Lucifer?
What do you believe about the Godhead, or more specifically are we “God?”


Forget about trying to correct you on minor things like judging...you have it all twisted with your views.

No, we are not God, and I have never implies such. You don't have anything figured out in regards to me, and have made no efforts to know, instead casting judgements and what I appear to be to you, and then have the cheek to post this:
"Judge not according to the appearance", while doing exactly that!

Attacking people on a personal level btw, will get you banned, just to let you know. There is a Fists of Fury forum for that. Strange how most of this now applies to you:

Quote:- Always post more material than your opponent. Relevance is not an issue.
- Always present yourself as the more competent, therefore rightfully arrogant debater
- Name calling will get you banned, but use any cheap shot you can come up with. Belittle your opponent, you don't even need a reason.
- Always frame the debate in a manner that makes your opponent try to prove an assertion and you won't have to prove the opposite
- All you have to do is attack your opponent's attempts to prove something. He does all the work and you just torpedo his claims
- The more complicated the discussion, the better.
- Make your opponent react emotional, while you stay calm and logical
- At the same time, always claim the most mainstream position. Never claim any other position that you can't back up with truckloads of MSM material.
- Always present yourself as defending what most people think. The other guy is always the tinfoil-hat wearing loon.
- Then wait for a mistake - a falsely stated fact, some mixup, anything in fact. Use that to attack your opponent on every level and never stop.
- Ignore any good points your opponent makes. Maybe nobody will notice.
- Digress. He's trying to prove something. Not you. Digressing makes things more complicated.

I think there's more..

Source: http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?t...#pid228380 (Cheers to Hans Olo for the info).

You said you didn't have time to answer people...you still aren't answering, but clearly have the time.
You judge me based on appearance (how one appears on a forum).
You continue to presume to know things about me personally, when we have never conversed on a personal level.
And you continue to use the words of another that I like from a signature, rather than address points made.

Please, if at all possible, calm down with the personal stuff or take it to fists of fury. I am always available via PM, or maybe, and I am even shocked I'd offer...a voice to voice chat on skype...maybe the written form isn't working here.

Regarding Lucifer (and there's definitely not a Jay-Z connection...as he ripped off a sample of this...in case it's later insinuated)...





...but then, your alluding to me being a Luciferian of one type or another is ridiculous. And also very wrong scripturally, you are to be careful calling the work of God the work of Satan.

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Funny thing is, I didn't even know who Jiddu Krishnamurti was, I just saw the quote on another site or a documentary and appreciated it's meaning and the quotes meaning alone, nothing more. Now I've seen his picture I know exactly who the guy is, and he features in "What the Bleep Do We Know?", so at that...

...it's gone. But then, you must have an all seeing eye, because you have me all figured out, right?

Why change your quotes man...nor mention why you had him the false messiah on there. I can't judge you on looks...never seen you. I read your statments. I see you are anger now and threating to ban me. Oh man I am so scared. My work will still be on here don't worry about that.

You proved everyhting about yourelf with the people you are quoting.


Threating to get me banned is a sign you are also affraid of the light. You don't want your deeds (yes quoting a man is a deed) to be brought to light and that's why you changed it.

I am only stating what you have said and if gets me banned then so be it.

My work will continue. Unlike most people on this site, I take my personal time to wittness to all I see about Jesus Christ and give my videos to whoever will accept them in PERSON. I don't just sit behind a keyboard and try to "one up" the next guy on a forum.

If this is all you got please stop now. I wish someone else had comments rather than you.

If you know we are not gods, which is true, then why do you quote severla people who say we are?

For those just now jumping in and reading....this guy says he believes Jesus and the Bible is His Word. Without error, and perfect as it truly is. Then he is quoting Jiddu Krishnamurti in every post as a signature who ALSO claimed to be the messiah (sic). Now Jesus said the same thing.

So, either Jesus Christ or Jiddu Krishnamurti is wrong.

Which is it Dunamis?

Krishnamurti was also a theosophist and friends with Alice Baily who started LUCIFER PUBLISHING. Pretty unchristian quotting. I pray God will open your eyes and turn you around, but you are lost buddy.

I didn't threaten to ban you. I warned you that personal attacks will get you banned.

I didn't even come over as angry, and wouldn't subject myself to such emotion over the ConCen board any more, I would sooner not read a thread if it angered me. I am a father of two, and so there are far more important things in my life.
I am concerned that someone could be so nasty and imply I am a Satanist/Luciferian though. Especially when their basis in their own words is this:

(09-07-2011 01:24 AM)overcomer Wrote: [ -> ]You proved everyhting about yourelf with the people you are quoting.

And what do you know of my life? You mentioned my deeds! Rather than be hurt any more by your words and personal attacks, I will simply move this personal attack to the appropriate forum, as it's nothing to do with the torrent any more.

You are continuing though, just as said, with your judgement based on APPEARANCE (what I appear to be from a mere quotation, naively added to my signature. I am sorry I lack your vast knowledge of the occult friend). I decided to stop such study some time ago. I know my enemy, and it's not flesh and blood.

Jeremiah 10:2
Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

For clarity, here is the quote I had seen somewhere and nicked...clearly very naively, as most who've cared to speak with me know I would never agree with the guy who said it on most other things, namely Jesus and the Bible. But here's the quote:
"The highest form of intelligence is the ability to observe without evaluating."

I come late . but when you don't use e-prime and call names it does a great disservice. as much of a disservice as presupposing supernaturalism as justification for authoritarian actions. Nobody knows and unless we work together using concensus we do all humanity ill.

this is the EnBrightenment. why resist nature? you are in the abramantic death cults?

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wrong and right thinking is flawed , if you want to stay theocratic in your mindset. (ya'll's choice) look to the spiritual basis of Non violent communication. http://www.cnvc.org/learn-online/spiritu...munication

the needs we all share looking at the needs behind your emotions be they positive or negative is key.

http://ifile.it/rp6omyf
find value here if you may.

Quote:When we find ourselYes using habitual reactive speech patterns, we can loose our balance and operate from the outer circle. The jackal. represents separation and life-alienating thinking and language. They serve as a guide inviting our return to wholeness

again i please with you all to move aware from cogging towards the lifelessness (obedience to a faux authority of patrharical while male that has reighned since the myth of redemptive violence) http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/content/cpt/ar...wink.shtml


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