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I just (finally) finished the Dulce book and while it was an interesting read it's based 99% on witness testimony of people who may not be real and corroboration from circumstantial evidence. I just now went to print off "The Cosmic Conflict", especially since seeing Alex Collier's interview on Google, I'm really interested in outerspace conflict, but really what proof is there of any of this? And if it's not real, who made it and for what purpose? I thought of someone on ehre saying "they" want us to think they're "higher beings (reptiles, Aryans, giants, whatever)" so we won't fight them and this would fit with that theory but there's too much evidence of ancient races to throw the entire thing out the door just yet. I'm semi-in-the-middle of "Gods of Eden" by William Bramley (GREAT book you can get off of scribd.com) and am wondering if I should just concentrate on that for right now and leave this shit alone.

Oh, and the Watcher Files look like a well orchestrated joke.

So how do you take it all in?

I know I asked almost this same question not that long ago but this boards dead anyway and this is semi-new.

Thanks for initiating this thread, stanteau !

For starters, you may want to check out William Lyne's works, audio interviews, and video interviews (several are on the tracker).

Lyne's PENTAGON ALIENS asserts that the alien scenario is a "cover" story for anti-gravity and other secret "ops", possibly including "mind control".

Insert "MILABS" into your search engine and you will find links to some interesting articles on "alien" abduction that may be military "mind control" covert "ops".

I recall one interview (I believe the interviewer was Szymanski) where a woman claimed that when she was a little girl, she was fitted for a "grey alien" suit and used in military abductions of civilians.

Henry Steven's HITLER'S FLYING SAUCERS (on the tracker) contends that the German Reich used the "alien" scenario before and during World War II to cover the Reich's military/corporate development of anti-gravity.

Henry Steven's publisher, Adventures Unlimited Press, says of his book:

[beginning of quote --]

"Learn why the Schriever-Habermohl project was actually two projects and read the written statement of a German test pilot who actually flew one of these saucers; about the Leduc engine, the key to Dr. Miethe's saucer designs; how U.S. government officials kept the truth about foo fighters hidden for almost sixty years and how they were finally forced to "come clean" about the foo fighters̕ German origin. Learn of the Peenemünde saucer project and how it was slated to "go atomic." Read the testimony of a German eyewitness who saw "magnetic discs." Read the U.S. governments̕ own reports on German field propulsion saucers. Read how the post-war German KM-2 field propulsion "rocket" worked. Learn details of the work of Karl Schappeller and Viktor Schauberger. Learn how their ideas figure in the quest to build field propulsion flying discs. Find out what happened to this technology after the war. Find out how the Canadians got saucer technology directly from the SS. Find out about the surviving "Third Power" of former Nazis. Learn of the U.S. governments̕ methods of UFO deception and how they used the German "Sonderbueroll" as the model for Project Blue Book."

[end of quote]

In high school, I read a terrific book about the development of atomic weapons during World War II via the U.S. Manhattan Project, et al., entitled BRIGHTER THAN A THOUSAND SUNS--A PERSONAL HISTORY OF THE ATOMIC SCIENTISTS, by author Robert Jungk.

The book was originally published in 1956 in Germany under the title HELLER ALS TAUSEND SONNEN. The English translation was published in 1958 in both the UK and the United States.

Author Jungk presented this history based on direct personal accounts by atomic scientists in America, Germany, etc.

On page 87 of the 1958 American edition, author Jungk states in a footnote the following concerning the German military and its corollary World War II Third Reich corporate/military research and development:

[beginning of quote --]

"The only exception to the lack of interest shown by authority was constituted by the Air Ministry. The Air Force research workers were in a peculiar position. They produced interesting new types of aircraft such as the Delta (triangular) and 'flying discs'. The first of these 'flying saucers,' as they were later called--circular in shape, with a diameter of some 45 yards--were built by the specialists Schriever, Habermohl and Miethe. They were first airborne on February 14, 1945, over Prague and reached in three minutes a height of nearly eight miles. They had a flying speed of 1250 m.p.h. which was doubled in subsequent tests. It is believed that after the war Habermohl fell into the hands of the Russians. Miethe developed at a later date similar 'flying saucers' at A. V. Roe and Company for the United States."

[end of quote]

In that entire book, that footnote was the book's only reference to the World War II development of "flying discs".

As I recall, official history states that the "sound barrier" was broken in 1947 ...

... but the prototype "flying discs" apparently "had a flying speed of 1250 m.p.h. which was doubled in subsequent tests."

Some possible speculative questions follow:

Is it possible that antigravity was successfully researched in the 1940's ?

Again, Lyne's PENTAGON ALIENS, and Steven's HITLER'S FLYING SAUCERS both suggest that the "cover story" for antigravity research was "alien visitation".

Is it possible that "free energy" was successfully developed in the 1940's to power these "discs" ? The implications of "free energy" would imply that people could go "off the grid", perhaps cheaply.

No power meters ...

... hence no metered "billing".

Which just may have caused the suppression of public access to "free energy" technology.

Is this what World War II was really about ?

Check out THE HUNT FOR ZERO POINT--ONE MAN'S JOURNEY TO DISCOVER THE BIGGEST SECRET SINCE THE INVENTION OF THE ATOM BOMB written by Jane's Defense Weekly editor, Nick Cook. He covers the covert development of antigravity and "free energy" during World War II in that monograph.

The original "discs" were apparently 45 yards in diameter ...

... and that was sixty years ago.

Could "directed energy weapons" be mounted on an aerial "disc" platform ...

... an aerial disc platform that utilized "stealth" visual and electromagnetic cloaking ?

In World War II, the Manhattan Project employed several hundred thousand people ...

... but it was so secret and "compartmentalized" that only a tiny group of people were aware of the true nature of the Project.

And ... there were several misleading "cover" stories for the Manhattan project ...

... but for corporate and/or military research and development, this is "S.O.P.", as in "standard operating procedure".

Was that model (secrecy and compartmentalization, along with a good dose of misleading disinformation) applied to antigravity and/or "directed energy" weapons research and development ?

Is the "nexus" of this research currently at ...

... Los Alamos and vicinity (such as Kirtland AFB, Sandia, etc.) ?

Remember, Los Alamos was the original "nexus" of the Manhattan Project.

Again, the above are speculative questions.

THE DULCE BOOK, et al, are very interesting stories ...

... but are they intentional "cover stories" for corporate/military development of antigravity and/or "directed energy" weapons ?

Alex Constantine has stated that the covert "Star Wars" research and development may also include the development of "mind control" technology ...

... in particular, both trauma based "mind control", and passive "mind control" via electromagnetic technologies, etc.

Plasma physicist James M. McCanney asserts that "directed energy" technologies may have already been used for weather modification via "Star Wars" satellites with "beam" technology ...

... and remember, President Reagan initially ... and explicitly ... began the funding for this "Star Wars" research and development in the eighties.

Would it be safe to say that billions have gone into "Star Wars" research and development ...

... maybe a hundred (or two) billion since the eighties ?

Again, THE DULCE BOOK, et al, are very interesting stories ...

... but are they intentional "cover stories" for corporate/military development of antigravity and/or "directed energy" weapons ?

All of the above questions are speculative ...

... Greyfalcon, and TeslaandLyne may want to "weigh in" on these speculations.

Solar, what an excellent dissection of the issue I call "UFO vs ET"... ie UFO being part of anti gravity, electromagnetic technology, and ETs being a creation of Roswell and modern abduction accounts. The first thing to realize when you cut into the disinformation is that UFOs and ET are separate areas of research... you can have one without the other. I'd also like to add a book to the list... "The Controllers: A New Hypothesis of Alien Abductions" By Martin Cannon.

One thing to keep in mind... IMO the existence of a cover story about ETs (to suppress information on anti-grav and mind control as solar suggested) is highly possible, even probable... however, the existence of such a cover story does not disprove the existence of aliens themselves... maybe be ones in the flying saucers we have been given a "strawman" ET, while the whole existence of alien intelligence is a very real possibility.

Again, thank you to solar for taking the time to write such an article. I love your style and formating... you can talk about the darkest subjects and it still puts a smile on my face :smile:

-Chris

Im suprised TeslandLyne hasnt jumped in on this yet :-)

Well, Ima say we sure in the hell didn't get our secret technology from out
of our ass - it's obviously not earthly. Plus, the NASA tapes proved, to me at
least, that there our ETs flying above our head all the time and we're being
kept a good eye on of some sort.

I think a lot of our modern technology came from these beings. Forget
government UFOs - just look at iPods or the new flexible TVs Sony is making.
Lasers to fiber optics, nanotechnology, or whatever really.

The Watcher Files is b.s. to me. They had a HALO 2 or HALO 3 video game
symbol that said it was the "2" or "3" floor or level to the Dulce Base -
like it was an actual picture. There was some other stuff too that i laughed at.

Edit:

here it is:

Quote:This is Dulce level 3 destination screen in masonic symbols

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce-basepics2.htm

Yeah, that Halo thing is what made me start this.

I have read some of Pentagon Aliens, up to around page 80 or so, I'll be honest, once the authors start talking about Tesla using advanced physics I lose it, but he presented great info, but like most UFO books I have to rely on his eye witness testimony for a lot of it but he said one thing I'm curious about.

In Pentagon Aliens he says the "Veda" translation to lean towards the ancient astronauts is BS made to fool us, now I would hope I'm not "gullible" and I am very skeptic and stuff but how can people disprove all of the ancient astronaut theories? I personally don't believe in ancient astronauts (for the same reason I don't believe in E.T. Galaxy's visiting us, no way to travel that far, though the possibility is always there) but I don't see why these theories aren't still proof of ancient races that possibly evolved before us.

Then again, there's always Project Bluebeam (which I am REAL scared they might try and actually do)

Some of you should look in to a bit of John Dee.

Nice post solar :biggrin:

I've given less and less attention to the Dulce Book. The story about how Branton got it is what bothers me the most about it....

Quote:Nice post solar :biggrin:

I've given less and less attention to the Dulce Book. The story about how Branton got it is what bothers me the most about it....

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he "find" it in a foot locker at a bus station and there's still half of it "to be found" when the time is right?

Even when something's debunked I can't stop staring though cause now I gotta find out who wrote the Dulce Book and for what purpose

In my oppinion, Dulce is fiction based on some well research fact and mythology... thats not to say you can't learn something from it, because whoever researched it knew allot (i would say Branton wrote it for "benevolent purposes of enlightenment society, as he did with Brantonia), but if we literally believe everything thats in it, then it can disinform us on many levels... It's a grab bag of conspiracy mythology, take what you like, leave the rest.

Still, I enjoyed suspending my doubt and using my imagination when I first encountered Bratonia, the Dulce book and all that stuff about underground bases.. the alien race stuff I never believed, but the rest of it still entertain from time to time. His Underground Nazi invasion article is good, but he doesn't know how to hold back and mixes every conspiracy theory together into a confusing mass... still, fun to read and scary to think about.

Same goes for something like Project Superman: The Andy Pero Story (which I believe I originally found on Brantonia)... do I believe there is a literal Andy Pero ? no. Do I believe that something like the superman project could exist? absolutely.. do I believe we have to accept all that stuff about the chair and materializing gold? Not really, but it would make a great movie. The action and sex scenes are really good. lol I do believe that whoever fictionalized Dulce probably fictionalized Project Superman as well.. That said, I still included Project Superman in my MK-Ultra document collection because its was a part of my development and a good read. I will turn it into a made for TV movie one day...

-Chris

I honestly don't research UFOs and ETs anymore. I'm convinced they're here now and have been. I don't need to be convinced but so-called "insiders". I think a lot of these people are talking out of their asses besides a few exceptions like Phil Schneider. Studying ancient history has convinced me more than any of these assholes that go on lying and talking about they've met Pleiadians or whoever.

Quote:For starters, you may want to check out William Lyne's works, audio interviews, and video interviews (several are on the tracker).

Lyne's PENTAGON ALIENS asserts that the alien scenario is a "cover" story for anti-gravity and other secret "ops", possibly including "mind control".

Insert "MILABS" into your search engine and you will find links to some interesting articles on "alien" abduction that may be military "mind control" covert "ops".

I recall one interview (I believe the interviewer was Szymanski) where a woman claimed that when she was a little girl, she was fitted for a "grey alien" suit and used in military abductions of civilians.

Henry Steven's HITLER'S FLYING SAUCERS (on the tracker) contends that the German Reich used the "alien" scenario before and during World War II to cover the Reich's military/corporate development of anti-gravity.

Henry Steven's publisher, Adventures Unlimited Press, says of his book:

[beginning of quote --]

"Learn why the Schriever-Habermohl project was actually two projects and read the written statement of a German test pilot who actually flew one of these saucers; about the Leduc engine, the key to Dr. Miethe's saucer designs; how U.S. government officials kept the truth about foo fighters hidden for almost sixty years and how they were finally forced to "come clean" about the foo fighters̕ German origin. Learn of the Peenemünde saucer project and how it was slated to "go atomic." Read the testimony of a German eyewitness who saw "magnetic discs." Read the U.S. governments̕ own reports on German field propulsion saucers. Read how the post-war German KM-2 field propulsion "rocket" worked. Learn details of the work of Karl Schappeller and Viktor Schauberger. Learn how their ideas figure in the quest to build field propulsion flying discs. Find out what happened to this technology after the war. Find out how the Canadians got saucer technology directly from the SS. Find out about the surviving "Third Power" of former Nazis. Learn of the U.S. governments̕ methods of UFO deception and how they used the German "Sonderbueroll" as the model for Project Blue Book."

I read the Henry Stevens book, a survey of Nazi saucer shapes.
Lyne is references in the assertion that a field effect saucer is among them.
A photo of Nazi saucer compass is shown Lyne fond in New Mexico scrap
yard.

Quote:Again, Lyne's PENTAGON ALIENS, and Steven's HITLER'S FLYING SAUCERS both suggest that the "cover story" for antigravity research was "alien visitation".

Is it possible that "free energy" was successfully developed in the 1940's to power these "discs" ? The implications of "free energy" would imply that people could go "off the grid", perhaps cheaply.

Lyne was there at the time and did some research to show Roswell was a Hoax and tells
why.
The energy to hold up the saucer is free... its the air... aether.. we live it.
Look into energized gases, Jacob's Ladder etc...

Lyne draws his own artwork.

At half scale the aether energy devices are from Helium,
ionized air (aether is in there somewhere), part of some
beam dialog showing aluminum hemisphere, an isotope
- beam ionizer direct electricity generator, vibrating coil
electrical oscillator.:





Early aether craft: Tesla in iron stove over streets of NYC using
original Tesla ignition coil (which was too strong for car ignition)
and the aether control flat coil, the Nazi turtle and FOO:





ED: the Stevens book is online in a few sites.
The UFO history 1945-1995 gives no clues, just verifies the stories are documented.

I went though solars text.

Some sounds like serious dis info about beams and such and discs that
might fly other than Tesla's, which is never ever mentioned... because
the writers are given other information to write about.

And only Mr Lyne promoted Tesla UFO connection most likely.
His research and conjecture perhaps is not to be copied.

The Dulce, whatever that is.... information that passed me by...
I hear connected with John Lear on the ATS board, so if he
was with the CIA, due to his father being a great inventor,
then CIA gave him hogwash that he passed on as truth.

I would like to add if any one heard our A bombs were Germany's that
were transfered from Telemark, Norway. Apparently Los Alamos and
the Manhattan Project didn't come up with the Japan bombs.

The reasons might be the huge ground based electronics to explode
our first test bomb. Nazi test bombings predate this.

The electronics in the bomb to determine altitude was crucial and
German markings on the bomb were in a flight crew film just recently
shown on Discovery or one of the mass media info presentations.
The bomb photo with German markings was on the net.

No sonic boom can only be created with a Tesla craft due to ionized
air repelling each other and spreading apart in trails and not crashing together
to make a loud sound.

Some of the update I gathered from Mr Lyne, hope it checks out .

ED: Lyne was in some group and when the mention of Aliens came up
he said it was all crap and never got invited again.

ED+:And you have book and web comments by hoax or true UFO posters
and the skeptics with a handbook of denials as pointed out in this topic:
The Lid Keepers

Quote:I went though solars text.

Some sounds like serious dis info about beams and such and discs that
might fly other than Tesla's, which is never ever mentioned... because
the writers are given other information to write about.

And only Mr Lyne promoted Tesla UFO connection most likely.
His research and conjecture perhaps is not to be copied.

The Dulce, whatever that is.... information that passed me by...
I hear connected with John Lear on the ATS board, so if he
was with the CIA, due to his father being a great inventor,
then CIA gave him hogwash that he passed on as truth.

I would like to add if any one heard our A bombs were Germany's that
were transfered from Telemark, Norway. Apparently Los Alamos and
the Manhattan Project didn't come up with the Japan bombs.

The reasons might be the huge ground based electronics to explode
our first test bomb. Nazi test bombings predate this.

The electronics in the bomb to determine altitude was crucial and
German markings on the bomb were in a flight crew film just recently
shown on Discovery or one of the mass media info presentations.
The bomb photo with German markings was on the net.

No sonic boom can only be created with a Tesla craft due to ionized
air repelling each other and spreading apart in trails and not crashing together
to make a loud sound.

Some of the update I gathered from Mr Lyne, hope it checks out .

ED: Lyne was in some group and when the mention of Aliens came up
he said it was all crap and never got invited again.

ED+:And you have book and web comments by hoax or true UFO posters
and the skeptics with a handbook of denials as pointed out in this topic:
The Lid Keepers

I just wanna say I love UFO research but I am NOT A PHYSICIST so much of the area is dark to me, but I'd have to agree with William Lynne and Joseph Farrell.

Speaking of the A-Bomb not being ours, I was puttin some stuff together.

My uncle (who is a conspiracy historian) always told me Japan surrendered before we dropped the bomb and that we did so to scare the Russians before the incoming Cold War. I whole heartedly believe that the Germans developed at least the hydrogen bomb if not both of them, and you enter into a new conspiracy of bribing the Japanese government into rebuilding their country if we could just test these bombs on them