11-02-2007, 06:29 AM
11-02-2007, 12:55 PM
Quote:For what its worth, I think people intentionally or unintentionally crashed this thread because of its subversive nature. The question, and it's many examples, still remains. -CYou have to ask yourself:
Where do we stand and how should we feel about this?
What should our morale be?
Why do we have these difficult questions?
And we should not fail to answer the question "am I crashing the system?" or "am I crashing my own system?" or "am I crashing the right system?" or "should a system be crashed?"
There are a great many questions to be answered and I agree that the intensity invited sabotage.
I for one hope this thread isn't done drawing out genuine cogent postulation.
11-02-2007, 11:26 PM
Quote:If mothandrust is a gal, pics or gtfo.this is all bollocks hbn. why should my gender be an issue? and what's more i've never attempted to hide it. the story goes, way back in March i posted a picture of my girlfriend, Viv, in the 'conspiracy girls calendar' thread. Madz picked up on it around the time we had a disagreement about the existence of a British constitution (there is no such thing - technically we are subjects, not citizens) and i put him straight about my gender - even included a picture. and that was that. except SE made a few 'funny' comments about it in a thread or two in the RaO forum and i played along, because after all moth and rust are symbols reflecting decay, not gendered personalities.
anyway, so we don't have any more confusion (and perhaps through some foolish feeling of guilt for my part in crashing this thread - and given the misperception of certain people that i was being evasive (although i accept i bear some responsibility here - thanks Nagual for helping me realise)):
![[Image: moth.jpg]](http://corianderjax.tk/moth.jpg)
![[Image: vivlr.jpg]](http://mothandrust.tk/images/vivlr.jpg)
....................this is me, jack...................................and this is Viv
now can we put this matter to bed, please, or do you want me to change my avatar so you don't forget?
having said all that, pleased to see you've reignited this thread :biggrin:
and thanks also 666 - really insightful and important observations
anyone want to return to the picnic?
11-03-2007, 12:53 AM
I dont hate to admit it but he is right hardboilednwokilla
practically toyed with m&r for a bit aswell as I have indeed come across many just like him in the past pretending to be this & that but it was all no harm done and I found it as fun at the time myself...
though mothandrust i'll still bleed your ears to death about the british constitution
lol
practically toyed with m&r for a bit aswell as I have indeed come across many just like him in the past pretending to be this & that but it was all no harm done and I found it as fun at the time myself...
though mothandrust i'll still bleed your ears to death about the british constitution
lol
11-23-2007, 06:40 PM
Someone suggested that I left the truth movement. No I didn't, but you did.
Here is a text I just wrote in one go, without thinking or editing. I've ceased structuring my mind consciously, so I just type what comes to mind right here and now without pause. That way you know that it is I who speak, and not my ego. Do with it what you will.
After being involved in the conspiracy scene for yonkers, I finally came to the realization that we're not part of the solution, but rather we are an acute symptom of the problem. During my final months I tried to change the course, speaking about things from a different perspective, trying to make people see what this all is really about. Not unexpectedly, basically noone listened, and even fewer understood what I was talking about. Well, I'm to blame for that of course - English isn't my first language and even more importantly: some things cannot be adequately expressed with words. At best, one can offer an approximation of emotions and connections being made subconsciously, but by putting these in words much of it is lost.
What, in effect, are we as a whole accomplishing with this so-called truth movement?
I see it as spreading fear and despair to the masses. Everybody you talk to, everybody you force-feed conspiracy info in some good-hearted attempt (yes, I believe most of you are sincere) you kill to some extent. People who have not been living in fear turn into jell-o, depressives or adrenalin-boosted monsters of aggression. Is that a solution? Depends on who you ask of course. For "the powers that be" it's a great ingredient, I'm sure. But I doubt that is what most of you really want to accomplish.
We tend to see things in black and white most of the time, and this is how we're so easily misled as a collective. You're either with me or you're against me. When in actual fact, truth is never found at the extremes but rather in the subtle gray shades inbetween. Neither the neocon fascist madmen nor the fundamental christian apocalypts have got it right, you know. As with all things, polarities divide and conquer people. The key, or rather, the secret to all things is the skill to be balanced, to change polarities to equilibrium. Is that what is being done here, and in the movement as a whole?
You all speak about fighting the system, force change for the good, down with the leaders and similar things. Do you honestly understand what it is you're doing? For starters, how do you fight a system from within a system? That's like attempting to change the way electrons spin around the atom nucleus, or alter time or something equally probable. Let's examine what a system is: a set of interacting or interdependent entities, real or abstract, forming an integrated whole. Indeed. You cannot ever change a system as it is an integrated whole, but you can create a new one rendering the old one obsolete. This is what we should all be consumed with, and still it's what most of us aren't.
Don't you see how irrelevant it is what this and that person did or didn't? All you're doing is pointing fingers, sitting at the fence and observing evil unfold. When witnessed enough you run to your village and try to frighten as many as possible with what you've seen, and collectively you succeed by sowing seeds of doubt and fear into people's minds. You think you are doing good by keeping everybody informed, but in actual fact you're contributing to what you consider to be evil by perpetuating it.
If you study the people involved in the conspiracy arena, very few suggest creative courses of action. Spread the word! they say, and Don't take my word for it, find out for yourself! Yes, by all means do that. But then what? What will happen when every single human on the planet knows what you know? Will that change anything? No, it will not.
Truth is, that you are allowing this to happen. You are so eager to put the blame onto the Rotschilds, the Rockefellers and so on of the world, that you forget that it's you that is the problem and not them. They're just doing what you allow them to do. Yes, this is the truth. It takes two to tango. Haven't we learned anything from the great prophets of the past? How come basically noone listened to what Jesus said? To Gandhi? To Krishnamurti? To Alan Watts? The list is long. The message is abundantly clear.
But you see, the problem is that the truth hurts. It hurts so badly you don't want to touch it if you can avoid it. It's so much easier blaming someone else, and it takes the focus off you - the real culprit. Hitler did so and so, Rotschild is all to blame, it's the jews, it's the zionists, it's God's plan, it's the muslims, it's the christians, it's everybody in the whole world except me! Yes, that must be so.
So what are we going to do?
That's one of the most common questions ever raised, I believe. The answer is still: you don't have to do anything. Life never was a question of doing - it's about being. It is a myth that you can do good or evil, you never can. How can you do good if you don't know what you are? To produce what you call good implies two things: first, your desire to do good implies that you're currently doing bad. Secondly, it implies that you know what good is, and that is rarely the case. What is good? It's the opposite of bad or evil is one answer, but what's that, then? Anything that you can put the label "good" onto will be "bad" for someone else. It's the polarity game yet again -- there never was an absolute good, nor was there ever absolute evil. So, in actual fact you're aimlessly walking the Earth, randomly producing acts of "good", without knowing if it truly is good or not. This is likely what everybody is doing, including the Rotschilds of the world, the Bushes and so on... Everybody is trying to do "good", but since we're all unique humans, how we define what that good is differs wildly.
Consequently, our mission should not be to do things. Karma is what it is, and it should not be steered by consicousness - that's when things start to go astray. Action in itself is neutral, it's only when it's guided by a conscious mind, an intent, that it can be called good or evil. When you think about this you realize that action never needs to be conscious. If you live in the here and now, action happens without intent, and that is what is true action - call it good if you will. If you're out walking on a road, and a car comes towards you rapidly, on a collision course - you will jump out of harms way immediately. This all happens without thinking, it's true unconscious action. On the other hand, conscious action is controlled by the ego and will always steer things in ways to gain itself. Not you, but your ego. Don't confuse the two; you are not your ego. Well, most of you are, but that's because you've surrendered to it.
The Secret, finally, is about intent. You cannot do good unless you are good, unless your intent is positive. If you truly are a self, being true to you, know thyself, call it what you will - good will happen as a result of it. It never was a matter of doing, but rather a matter of being. Be the change, be the positive beacon and good things will attract you and happen around you. This really is the secret, and it is how life works. I didn't think it necessary to spell it out, I always wanted you to discover yourself, and not buy into someone elses words. How can you be the change if you don't know yourself, discovered who you truly are? How can you possibly interact with your fellow humans without knowing yourself? Well, look into the world - it's obvious we are doing our utmost to escape from ourselves. This is what has to stop, nothing more, nothing less. This is also what all the world's religions and cults work both for and against, paradoxically enough. Within all religions you will find the truth if you know where to look for it. But at the same time all religions also enslave your mind and imprison the real you. The question is: dare you look for truth? Can you deal with it? Can you stop pointing fingers, putting blame onto others and seek out who you really are, and be the change you deep inside want to be?
It never was about the movie. It never was about who did what and why, or what will happen tomorrow. Remember, yesterday is gone forever, and tomorrow doesn't exist. The only truth is here and now. Don't engage the enemy, make him obsolete. Build a new system that is independent of the old one.
Who am I to judge others you say? Well, first off, I'm not judging. Secondly, I'm me. Who are you, really?
Here is a text I just wrote in one go, without thinking or editing. I've ceased structuring my mind consciously, so I just type what comes to mind right here and now without pause. That way you know that it is I who speak, and not my ego. Do with it what you will.
After being involved in the conspiracy scene for yonkers, I finally came to the realization that we're not part of the solution, but rather we are an acute symptom of the problem. During my final months I tried to change the course, speaking about things from a different perspective, trying to make people see what this all is really about. Not unexpectedly, basically noone listened, and even fewer understood what I was talking about. Well, I'm to blame for that of course - English isn't my first language and even more importantly: some things cannot be adequately expressed with words. At best, one can offer an approximation of emotions and connections being made subconsciously, but by putting these in words much of it is lost.
What, in effect, are we as a whole accomplishing with this so-called truth movement?
I see it as spreading fear and despair to the masses. Everybody you talk to, everybody you force-feed conspiracy info in some good-hearted attempt (yes, I believe most of you are sincere) you kill to some extent. People who have not been living in fear turn into jell-o, depressives or adrenalin-boosted monsters of aggression. Is that a solution? Depends on who you ask of course. For "the powers that be" it's a great ingredient, I'm sure. But I doubt that is what most of you really want to accomplish.
We tend to see things in black and white most of the time, and this is how we're so easily misled as a collective. You're either with me or you're against me. When in actual fact, truth is never found at the extremes but rather in the subtle gray shades inbetween. Neither the neocon fascist madmen nor the fundamental christian apocalypts have got it right, you know. As with all things, polarities divide and conquer people. The key, or rather, the secret to all things is the skill to be balanced, to change polarities to equilibrium. Is that what is being done here, and in the movement as a whole?
You all speak about fighting the system, force change for the good, down with the leaders and similar things. Do you honestly understand what it is you're doing? For starters, how do you fight a system from within a system? That's like attempting to change the way electrons spin around the atom nucleus, or alter time or something equally probable. Let's examine what a system is: a set of interacting or interdependent entities, real or abstract, forming an integrated whole. Indeed. You cannot ever change a system as it is an integrated whole, but you can create a new one rendering the old one obsolete. This is what we should all be consumed with, and still it's what most of us aren't.
Don't you see how irrelevant it is what this and that person did or didn't? All you're doing is pointing fingers, sitting at the fence and observing evil unfold. When witnessed enough you run to your village and try to frighten as many as possible with what you've seen, and collectively you succeed by sowing seeds of doubt and fear into people's minds. You think you are doing good by keeping everybody informed, but in actual fact you're contributing to what you consider to be evil by perpetuating it.
If you study the people involved in the conspiracy arena, very few suggest creative courses of action. Spread the word! they say, and Don't take my word for it, find out for yourself! Yes, by all means do that. But then what? What will happen when every single human on the planet knows what you know? Will that change anything? No, it will not.
Truth is, that you are allowing this to happen. You are so eager to put the blame onto the Rotschilds, the Rockefellers and so on of the world, that you forget that it's you that is the problem and not them. They're just doing what you allow them to do. Yes, this is the truth. It takes two to tango. Haven't we learned anything from the great prophets of the past? How come basically noone listened to what Jesus said? To Gandhi? To Krishnamurti? To Alan Watts? The list is long. The message is abundantly clear.
But you see, the problem is that the truth hurts. It hurts so badly you don't want to touch it if you can avoid it. It's so much easier blaming someone else, and it takes the focus off you - the real culprit. Hitler did so and so, Rotschild is all to blame, it's the jews, it's the zionists, it's God's plan, it's the muslims, it's the christians, it's everybody in the whole world except me! Yes, that must be so.
So what are we going to do?
That's one of the most common questions ever raised, I believe. The answer is still: you don't have to do anything. Life never was a question of doing - it's about being. It is a myth that you can do good or evil, you never can. How can you do good if you don't know what you are? To produce what you call good implies two things: first, your desire to do good implies that you're currently doing bad. Secondly, it implies that you know what good is, and that is rarely the case. What is good? It's the opposite of bad or evil is one answer, but what's that, then? Anything that you can put the label "good" onto will be "bad" for someone else. It's the polarity game yet again -- there never was an absolute good, nor was there ever absolute evil. So, in actual fact you're aimlessly walking the Earth, randomly producing acts of "good", without knowing if it truly is good or not. This is likely what everybody is doing, including the Rotschilds of the world, the Bushes and so on... Everybody is trying to do "good", but since we're all unique humans, how we define what that good is differs wildly.
Consequently, our mission should not be to do things. Karma is what it is, and it should not be steered by consicousness - that's when things start to go astray. Action in itself is neutral, it's only when it's guided by a conscious mind, an intent, that it can be called good or evil. When you think about this you realize that action never needs to be conscious. If you live in the here and now, action happens without intent, and that is what is true action - call it good if you will. If you're out walking on a road, and a car comes towards you rapidly, on a collision course - you will jump out of harms way immediately. This all happens without thinking, it's true unconscious action. On the other hand, conscious action is controlled by the ego and will always steer things in ways to gain itself. Not you, but your ego. Don't confuse the two; you are not your ego. Well, most of you are, but that's because you've surrendered to it.
The Secret, finally, is about intent. You cannot do good unless you are good, unless your intent is positive. If you truly are a self, being true to you, know thyself, call it what you will - good will happen as a result of it. It never was a matter of doing, but rather a matter of being. Be the change, be the positive beacon and good things will attract you and happen around you. This really is the secret, and it is how life works. I didn't think it necessary to spell it out, I always wanted you to discover yourself, and not buy into someone elses words. How can you be the change if you don't know yourself, discovered who you truly are? How can you possibly interact with your fellow humans without knowing yourself? Well, look into the world - it's obvious we are doing our utmost to escape from ourselves. This is what has to stop, nothing more, nothing less. This is also what all the world's religions and cults work both for and against, paradoxically enough. Within all religions you will find the truth if you know where to look for it. But at the same time all religions also enslave your mind and imprison the real you. The question is: dare you look for truth? Can you deal with it? Can you stop pointing fingers, putting blame onto others and seek out who you really are, and be the change you deep inside want to be?
It never was about the movie. It never was about who did what and why, or what will happen tomorrow. Remember, yesterday is gone forever, and tomorrow doesn't exist. The only truth is here and now. Don't engage the enemy, make him obsolete. Build a new system that is independent of the old one.
Who am I to judge others you say? Well, first off, I'm not judging. Secondly, I'm me. Who are you, really?
11-23-2007, 07:01 PM
Finally see you back
Let me disagree with you on several points but let the other members digest it first
Let me disagree with you on several points but let the other members digest it first
11-23-2007, 07:53 PM
A breath of fresh air from the wise sage :biggrin:
Nice clever tactic there Noel, setting the stage..:LOL:
Nice clever tactic there Noel, setting the stage..:LOL:
11-23-2007, 07:58 PM
You trolling yet again Ben:LOL:
11-23-2007, 08:01 PM
meaning it was spot on :wink:
11-23-2007, 08:03 PM
I knew what u meant Ben:LOL:
11-23-2007, 08:49 PM
Welcome back Milstein (Os):)
So the secret is essentially lay down, take what's coming but be positive and hope for the best and maybe it will change? That sounds more hopeless and negative then confronting the reality that is in front of us.
Wish and want material things is one of the key things I picked up on in the Secret. It was selling a philosophy while making empty promises. That to me is flat out wrong. And I know people who are applying it to their lives, no changes and I say nothing. They wouldn't listen anyway.
Kind of like the Christian missionaries in Africa promising all the poor many great things (ask and you shall receive) in the name of Christ? Boy did they misinterpret scripture and Christ.
Both are nonsense and give false hope.
Where to go with what you said? While I agree that we do tend to spread cynicism and skepticism, it's the reaction of people, their natural ability to run and hide that is hurting our cause. It's not even so much the system as it is the will of the people, they react as an animal would, they run from danger or they blissfully choose to ignore it. Meanwhile the people at the top don't use the Secret, they're evil and I choose to believe that evil is an absolute. Murder is an absolute evil, especially when it's for 'their' greater cause, any life be damned.
There is reality and then there is fantasy. Reality is what's right in front of you. When you have a problem you react on it and often willing it away and thinking positive will rarely change the situation, that's faith based fantasy, and while it may feel good to be positive and yet the problem still remains, what has been gained?
Well enough for now. I do agree that we are spreading fear to a certain extent. If you were to observe that a persons tire is about to come off their car, do you warn them or maybe even tighten the lug nuts or do you tell them to think positive? I do agree that while not a lot has changed there have been changes, or prolonged certainties. See it's a matter of interpretation isn't it? Who's right, who's wrong? Are there absolute good, and evils? Who can know for sure about anything? So what it comes down to is our own faiths.
So the secret is essentially lay down, take what's coming but be positive and hope for the best and maybe it will change? That sounds more hopeless and negative then confronting the reality that is in front of us.
Wish and want material things is one of the key things I picked up on in the Secret. It was selling a philosophy while making empty promises. That to me is flat out wrong. And I know people who are applying it to their lives, no changes and I say nothing. They wouldn't listen anyway.
Kind of like the Christian missionaries in Africa promising all the poor many great things (ask and you shall receive) in the name of Christ? Boy did they misinterpret scripture and Christ.
Both are nonsense and give false hope.
Where to go with what you said? While I agree that we do tend to spread cynicism and skepticism, it's the reaction of people, their natural ability to run and hide that is hurting our cause. It's not even so much the system as it is the will of the people, they react as an animal would, they run from danger or they blissfully choose to ignore it. Meanwhile the people at the top don't use the Secret, they're evil and I choose to believe that evil is an absolute. Murder is an absolute evil, especially when it's for 'their' greater cause, any life be damned.
There is reality and then there is fantasy. Reality is what's right in front of you. When you have a problem you react on it and often willing it away and thinking positive will rarely change the situation, that's faith based fantasy, and while it may feel good to be positive and yet the problem still remains, what has been gained?
Well enough for now. I do agree that we are spreading fear to a certain extent. If you were to observe that a persons tire is about to come off their car, do you warn them or maybe even tighten the lug nuts or do you tell them to think positive? I do agree that while not a lot has changed there have been changes, or prolonged certainties. See it's a matter of interpretation isn't it? Who's right, who's wrong? Are there absolute good, and evils? Who can know for sure about anything? So what it comes down to is our own faiths.
11-23-2007, 08:49 PM
..about setting the stage? Of course you did :wink:
11-23-2007, 09:19 PM
Hi RCS!:)
I said that? I think you've misinterpreted everything. What you are describing is fatalism: sit in a lotus position like a vegetable and accept what's coming at you. I never said so, nor did I imply it. I guess I'm finding that words aren't enough to express what I am about. It was the same a year ago.
Can we for the umpteenth time forget about the movie called The Secret? I said repeatedly in the past that it's NOT about the movie. It still isn't, and it never will be. In fact it's an abysmal movie full of false people who is pretty easy to dislike. I don't recommend it to anyone. Ok?;)Originally I wrote about it because seeing it made me see a connection between intent and causality, and I naively expected others to make the same connection. Apparently nobody did, but anyway I won't go into this, it's best discovered for yourself.
What I *am* saying is that instead of spreading fear and despair, spread positive things! Be the change and don't just talk that "someone's ought to do something about this" or "this and that did that or this". Who cares? What's done is the past and that doesn't help much now. That is not saying that history is irrelevant, because it definitely is not. But, the focus ought to be on now and not what happened yesterday.
You said it best yourself, "It's not even so much the system as it is the will of the people". Exactly right! So the mission is to make people stop running and be the change they want in their lives. That's not accomplished by making them fearful and/or angry, nor for that matter to urge people to think positively. Thinking is rarely a solution, as you don't think, only your ego does. If you rely solely on thinking and analyzing, you've surrendered to your ego and you're essentially lost.
Reality is not what is in front of you. Reality is what is you, what is inside you. Problems happen when what's inside you isn't you, but your ego. That is the only problem we have in the entire universe, everything else is illusion.
I said that? I think you've misinterpreted everything. What you are describing is fatalism: sit in a lotus position like a vegetable and accept what's coming at you. I never said so, nor did I imply it. I guess I'm finding that words aren't enough to express what I am about. It was the same a year ago.
Can we for the umpteenth time forget about the movie called The Secret? I said repeatedly in the past that it's NOT about the movie. It still isn't, and it never will be. In fact it's an abysmal movie full of false people who is pretty easy to dislike. I don't recommend it to anyone. Ok?;)Originally I wrote about it because seeing it made me see a connection between intent and causality, and I naively expected others to make the same connection. Apparently nobody did, but anyway I won't go into this, it's best discovered for yourself.
What I *am* saying is that instead of spreading fear and despair, spread positive things! Be the change and don't just talk that "someone's ought to do something about this" or "this and that did that or this". Who cares? What's done is the past and that doesn't help much now. That is not saying that history is irrelevant, because it definitely is not. But, the focus ought to be on now and not what happened yesterday.
You said it best yourself, "It's not even so much the system as it is the will of the people". Exactly right! So the mission is to make people stop running and be the change they want in their lives. That's not accomplished by making them fearful and/or angry, nor for that matter to urge people to think positively. Thinking is rarely a solution, as you don't think, only your ego does. If you rely solely on thinking and analyzing, you've surrendered to your ego and you're essentially lost.
Reality is not what is in front of you. Reality is what is you, what is inside you. Problems happen when what's inside you isn't you, but your ego. That is the only problem we have in the entire universe, everything else is illusion.
11-23-2007, 09:30 PM
I think i agree with you Milstien, however i dont think it is fatalism to see the things to come, ill quote what i posted on diff thread:
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Then again i think that the reality is coming either way, that delusional world we grew up in is lost forever, not just as a generational gap, but was the calm before the storm, as history really does repeat itself, part of that repetition is amazing growth and prosperity for some after the world wars. Financial fall, WW1 happened, 8 million died, another 4 in the influenza epidemic, probably made in a lab and released on purpose. Then great prosperity till the 30's, when financial despair, ww2 happened and killed anywhere from 35-60 million not sure if there was a pandemic(if not prob because of fear ppl would died that were not targeted, the elites), then massive prosperity. I think the smaller wars and global positioning since were just leading up to the big one, the war to end all wars, the one to create the new Atlantis, much time and effort is being focused to consider every angle, to get all the peaces in place as to make everything perfect, to not have to go through it again. And so we'll see, financial collapse, mass unemployment brought to an already dumbed down population, that has bout 60% of the worlds munitions and war structure,(few years ago i herd china was #2 behind the states with 18% of what the states had, just 18%, states have huge, huge amounts of warfare capability.) Then i see a false flag op on Israel, Iran or Syria being the blame, this provokes Christian, Muslim war, while this starts manifesting, a geopolitical war will insue with China and Russia involvement because of perceived geographic supremacy, perceived Imperialistic nature of the attack on Iran, (Saudi Arabia and Syria will choose the Muslim side and fight right away on the Iranian side). So China and Russia will see Israel, American, England, the "western world" engagement of Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and that will give them(China, Russia) political context to justify to there people engagement, Europe will be dividedand choose a side, all out ww3!
Of course we know its all being orchestrated by Global Elites who wish a global genocide 1/3, or the death of
2 000 000 000 ppl. While those off at war are fighting for an imaginary cause, the ones refusing or unable to fight, the ones left back at there home land will be hit with the pandemic, ppl will be sick and dying everywhere, money will be worthless, resources such as food etc are so scattered globally that no one nation will be able to take care of themselves on a societal level without the system, pockets of survivors here and there, but the masses will throw gold, silver and money into the streets, worthless, and die of hunger, and disease.
In the end, the New Atlantis will be born. Where the elites, after all they have learned from way back in history, 6000 years of control, will implement there greatest mass reality on a global level, and certain families are promised there rightful place as the new age of Monarch, or whatever, enlightened space beings for all we know, The Angles of Light. The only survivors at that time will be ones susceptible to that programing, prob why all the Ufo market research today.
Can we stop something on this scale, i dont think so, I think we can just get ready for it, ready to die with a clean conscience. We all die at some point, more years dosnt mean youll be any more ready for it.
With all that being said, do we try to wake up the hobbits, those living simple, honest lives, it kinna sounds to me like, there the ones most ready in there conscience, to die, why do anything to create a false strife?
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BTW i like what you said about The Secret, if i understand you right, i agree.
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Then again i think that the reality is coming either way, that delusional world we grew up in is lost forever, not just as a generational gap, but was the calm before the storm, as history really does repeat itself, part of that repetition is amazing growth and prosperity for some after the world wars. Financial fall, WW1 happened, 8 million died, another 4 in the influenza epidemic, probably made in a lab and released on purpose. Then great prosperity till the 30's, when financial despair, ww2 happened and killed anywhere from 35-60 million not sure if there was a pandemic(if not prob because of fear ppl would died that were not targeted, the elites), then massive prosperity. I think the smaller wars and global positioning since were just leading up to the big one, the war to end all wars, the one to create the new Atlantis, much time and effort is being focused to consider every angle, to get all the peaces in place as to make everything perfect, to not have to go through it again. And so we'll see, financial collapse, mass unemployment brought to an already dumbed down population, that has bout 60% of the worlds munitions and war structure,(few years ago i herd china was #2 behind the states with 18% of what the states had, just 18%, states have huge, huge amounts of warfare capability.) Then i see a false flag op on Israel, Iran or Syria being the blame, this provokes Christian, Muslim war, while this starts manifesting, a geopolitical war will insue with China and Russia involvement because of perceived geographic supremacy, perceived Imperialistic nature of the attack on Iran, (Saudi Arabia and Syria will choose the Muslim side and fight right away on the Iranian side). So China and Russia will see Israel, American, England, the "western world" engagement of Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and that will give them(China, Russia) political context to justify to there people engagement, Europe will be dividedand choose a side, all out ww3!
Of course we know its all being orchestrated by Global Elites who wish a global genocide 1/3, or the death of
2 000 000 000 ppl. While those off at war are fighting for an imaginary cause, the ones refusing or unable to fight, the ones left back at there home land will be hit with the pandemic, ppl will be sick and dying everywhere, money will be worthless, resources such as food etc are so scattered globally that no one nation will be able to take care of themselves on a societal level without the system, pockets of survivors here and there, but the masses will throw gold, silver and money into the streets, worthless, and die of hunger, and disease.
In the end, the New Atlantis will be born. Where the elites, after all they have learned from way back in history, 6000 years of control, will implement there greatest mass reality on a global level, and certain families are promised there rightful place as the new age of Monarch, or whatever, enlightened space beings for all we know, The Angles of Light. The only survivors at that time will be ones susceptible to that programing, prob why all the Ufo market research today.
Can we stop something on this scale, i dont think so, I think we can just get ready for it, ready to die with a clean conscience. We all die at some point, more years dosnt mean youll be any more ready for it.
With all that being said, do we try to wake up the hobbits, those living simple, honest lives, it kinna sounds to me like, there the ones most ready in there conscience, to die, why do anything to create a false strife?
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BTW i like what you said about The Secret, if i understand you right, i agree.
11-23-2007, 09:42 PM
See, it's talk like that inc, that is counter-productive. All you're doing with that is spreading despair and fatalism. Oh it's too big for little poor me, I'm just going to accept it and die.
Sure, if that is what you truly wish to do, go for it. That's your decision.
If you ponder for a moment about what you're saying though, you'll find a common thread.. You only talk about things to come, and as if they already happened. That is your deception - tomorrow does not exist, and what eventually happens tomorrow is what we choose to manifest, or passively allow to manifest. With your attitude, not too much positive is going to happen. I hope you can see this, and also see that this is not personal, it's a matter of observation.
Sure, if that is what you truly wish to do, go for it. That's your decision.
If you ponder for a moment about what you're saying though, you'll find a common thread.. You only talk about things to come, and as if they already happened. That is your deception - tomorrow does not exist, and what eventually happens tomorrow is what we choose to manifest, or passively allow to manifest. With your attitude, not too much positive is going to happen. I hope you can see this, and also see that this is not personal, it's a matter of observation.