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Professor Alan Dershowitz, the "watch dog of Israel", wrote a book called A Case for Israel. Lets see what happens when it is critisized by professor Norman Finkelstein:

Quote:- UN Resolution 242: Lord WHO?
Internal investigations of the IDF
v.
human rights organizations
- "the Extremist" and his evidence
"the kind of" two-state settlement
- the debate on UN 242:
3 volumes
v.
1 Orlando Sentinel editorial from yr. 2000

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKaX3EkrkII

Finkelstein: "Mr. Dershowitz says I'm on the extreme end and he's on the mainstream [...] he [Dershowitz] cited a hoax. I cite the scholarly sources. Mr. Dershowitz says he doesnt agree with the human rights organisations [...] I quote Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International... I quote the mainstream sources, the mainstream numbers, he quotes internal investigations of the IDF and hoaxes. But I'm the "extremist"(!)... but I'm the extremist... but I'm the extremist..."

Quote:- high school syllabus
& sonypictures.com
-- serious sources?
- Dershowitz:
"George Orwell's turnspeak"
v.
Orwell's "newspeak"

See also: Harvard undergrad sacked for pulling a Dersh
(The Harvard Crimson: "Crimson Cuts Columnist for Lifting Material," 10.27.2006)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JtVPMEtm9I

Finkelstein: "Listen to this source. This is a shcolar [...] Sony Pictures, http://www.sonypictures.com, that's page 257, footnote 21. A Sony Picture(!)"

Finkelstein: "Number 2 [...] a high school syllabus. Is that serious? Is that a serious source? [...] A sony picture and a highschool curriculum. [...] Very serious sources mr. Dershowitz."

Finkelstein: "In Joan Peters' book [...] She coins a phrase, the phrase is turnspeak. And she says"

Dershowitz: "And she borrows it from... from... from a...."

Finkelstein: "No, sir I'm sorry... She coins the phrase turnspeak... You see you dont know what you're talking about and that's pretty terrible. She coins the phrase turnspeak and she says she's using it as a play of George Orwell, which - as all listeners know - used the phrase newspeak. And she coined her own phrase, turnspeak. [...] You see, he [Dershowitz] got so confused in his borrowings of Peters' [...] that he used on two occasions the phrase: "George Orwell's turnspeak"! Turnspeak isnt Orwell..."

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.p...g=11&ar=678


I'd say: NO CASE FOR ISRAEL.

Good find

Thanks.

This has got to be definetely one of the funniest debates on video ever. And what's even more significant; there goes the Case for Israel.

There are also other good debates in Finkelstein's home page, in which he destroys the apologists of Israel.

Oh and by the way, it was this same Alan Dershowitz who was cited as "a definitive criticism" by Richard Perle against Walt & Mearsheimer's Israel Lobby paper, in the documentary Israel Lobby. So much for that criticism.

And Walt and Mearsheimer have responded to Dershowitz and other criticics at their website, in their paper titled SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT: A Response to Critics of “The Israel Lobby” http://www.israellobbybook.com/Setting_the...rd_Straight.pdf

The full debate:

Part 1:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...5870962994
Finkelstein: "it's my impression that the book does raise serious questions about his [Dershowitz'] academic integrity, his intellectual honesty, and raises serious questions whether he is even qualified to teach at Harward University."


Part 2:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...8714490692
Dershowitz: "I will give $10 000 to the PLO in your name if you can find an historical fact in my book that you can prove to be false. I issue that challenge, I issue it to you [...] I issue it to Noam Chomsky [...] Every word in my book is accurate(!) and you can't simply say it's false without documenting it..."


"EVERY WORD IN MY BOOK IS ACCURATE"???

Professor Noam Chomsky had this to say about Dershowitz:
"Dershowitz is intelligent enough to know that he cant respond. So he does what any tenth rate lawyer does when you have a rotten case, you try to change the subject and maybe by villifying the opposing counsel and that changes the subject [...] and the tactic is a very good one, cause you win even if you lose. Supposing that all of your charges are refuted, you've still won, you've changed the subject. [...]
So I wrote another letter in which I quoted from the court decision demonstrating that polite that Dershowitz is a liar, he's even falsifying Israeli court decisions, he's even a supporter of atrocities and he is even a passionate opponent of civil rights. [...] Well, he went berserk. And ever since then I'be been one of his targets. [...] In fact, anyone who exposes him as what he is, is going to be subjected to this technique, cause he knows he cant respond, so must return to villification. And in the case of Norman Finkelstein, he sort of went to outer space."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ENawcSliA...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBclWDYuoxI...feature=related

Cheers Kon3v.

Amy Goodman gives me the creeps, dunno why, just does.

But I have never heard of either of these guys or seen this debate, although I have heard of the "Case For Israel" book.

Quote:Cheers Kon3v.

Amy Goodman gives me the creeps, dunno why, just does.

But I have never heard of either of these guys or seen this debate, although I have heard of the "Case For Israel" book.

No problem.

The point I was making with this is that, Dershowitz is a University professor at Harvard. He should be a very qualified scholar. He chose to write a book for Israel's defence (A Case for Israel). And how was he forced to write it? He had to write it using distortions, lies and hoaxes. A professor at Harvard could not write an honest book defending Israel! Looks pretty bad for the apologists for Israel. No case for Israel.

The impression I got is - Finkelstein wiped the floor with Dershowitz.

Notice how Dershowitz kept saying how Finkelstein is jealous of the fact that Dershowitz is a Harvard Professor?

What would it matter even if Finkelstein WAS jealous?

Thats not what the debate was supposed to be about. He got ripped apart man. He had NO case.

Kudos to Finkelstein for exposing him.

Makes you wonder how Professor Alan Dershowitz managed to get in Harvard, I mean, support Israel, write bullshit about Israel like how there have been more Israeli civilian casualties than Palestinian casualties and hey, I bet its 100 times easier to become a Harvard Professor, thats the way the system works - you support their Zionist regime and they will give you a free pass, this is essentially the way EVERYTHING works, not just Harvard Professors, but anything. The whole system is set up that way.

Why does not one single member of the Bush Administration oppose Israel? On the contrary, they are very supportive of Israel, some are even dual citizens! A DUAL CITIZEN IS TANTERMOUNT TO BEING A FUCKING SPY FOR ISRAEL IN MY BOOK. I don't really see any other "dual citizens" of any other countries there, just Israel, always JUST Israel. Where are the dual citizens of Palestine in the White House? Who is representing THOSE people? NO ONE! Because if you do then you won't even get to be in the White House. Even if there are any such people they are gonna be outnumbered 100 to 1, at least.

Quote:The impression I got is - Finkelstein wiped the floor with Dershowitz.

Notice how Dershowitz kept saying how Finkelstein is jealous of the fact that Dershowitz is a Harvard Professor?

What would it matter even if Finkelstein WAS jealous?

Thats not what the debate was supposed to be about. He got ripped apart man. He had NO case.

Yep, I agree.

Quote:Makes you wonder how Professor Alan Dershowitz managed to get in Harvard, I mean, support Israel, write bullshit about Israel like how there have been more Israeli civilian casualties than Palestinian casualties and hey, I bet its 100 times easier to become a Harvard Professor, thats the way the system works - you support their Zionist regime and they will give you a free pass, this is essentially the way EVERYTHING works, not just Harvard Professors, but anything. The whole system is set up that way.

Yep, propably. Finkelstein has had many difficulties in getting his books publishedm unlike Dershowitz.

It's quite telling that Finkelstein's book Holocaust Industry was only published because he was a Jew. This is the situation today...

Quote:Why does not one single member of the Bush Administration oppose Israel? On the contrary, they are very supportive of Israel, some are even dual citizens! A DUAL CITIZEN IS TANTERMOUNT TO BEING A FUCKING SPY FOR ISRAEL IN MY BOOK. I don't really see any other "dual citizens" of any other countries there, just Israel, always JUST Israel. Where are the dual citizens of Palestine in the White House? Who is representing THOSE people? NO ONE! Because if you do then you won't even get to be in the White House. Even if there are any such people they are gonna be outnumbered 100 to 1, at least.

The Jewish media control and "The US no longer has a government of goy" as the Israeli newspaper Maariv stated.


However, even though there are people like Finkelstein and Chomsky who do critisize the apologists for Israel and the Holocaust money racketeers, when it comes to the vital Jewish interests such as the Israel lobby, even these Jewish dissidents seem to unite to oppose any dangerous critic who truly grasps the Jewish influence. This could clearly be seen in the case of professors Walt and Mearsheimer, when Dershowitz, Chomsky and even Finkelstein all united to critisize The Israel Lobby. Even the Jewish dissidents seem to unite when the vital Jewish interests are at stake.